The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

So using the democratic process to censure Sinn Fein is not democratic?

Confidence motions are the equivalent in the South to the process set in place by the SDLP. Are you against those too?

You didn't like the result and are claiming conspiracy. We all see judgments we don't like, thems the breaks Blanch. You could start a revolution I suppose.

tikkahunter

James Brown wrote: »

So the cops should have gone in mob handed? To a funeral? It all boils down to it being shinners. I don't hear anything about the Garda funeral with as many numbers. The outrage rings hollow.

Everyone in attendance in the Garda funeral where respectable people even if they are not liked . Storeys had plenty of dirt bags in attendance. Big difference. Let’s just say both were broke up , do you think both would have the same outcome?

blanch152

tikkahunter wrote: »

Everyone in attendance in the Garda funeral where respectable people even if they are not liked . Storeys had plenty of dirt bags in attendance. Big difference. Let’s just say both were broke up , do you think both would have the same outcome?

Astonishing that posters believe that the police should stand idly by while the law is broken by thousands just because it was a Sinn Fein funeral.

Incredible really.

As for the comparison with the Garda funeral, this has been done to death many times, and the differences are huge and significant.

James Brown

tikkahunter wrote: »

Everyone in attendance in the Garda funeral where respectable people even if they are not liked . Storeys had plenty of dirt bags in attendance. Big difference. Let’s just say both were broke up , do you think both would have the same outcome?

Says you and so what? Does that include the Shinner Cllr. Gerry Murray? He was there with Flanagan and all.
Your name calling here shows your bias is not based on any genuine health concerns.

Yes, very much so. However the Garda don't have a great reputation for policing their own, so it would never have happened.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Astonishing that posters believe that the police should stand idly by while the law is broken by thousands just because it was a Sinn Fein funeral.

Incredible really.

As for the comparison with the Garda funeral, this has been done to death many times, and the differences are huge and significant.

Or a Garda funeral?

Zero difference. Actually one was organised by a party in another jurisdiction, one was organised in ours and attended by high ranking ministers.

As I've said, both were a bad idea.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Astonishing that posters believe that the police should stand idly by while the law is broken by thousands just because it was a Sinn Fein funeral.

Incredible really.

As for the comparison with the Garda funeral, this has been done to death many times, and the differences are huge and significant.

The PPS have decided not to press charges.

Are you saying the PPS in the north is corrupt?

FrancieBrady

James Brown wrote: »

Or a Garda funeral?

Zero difference. Actually one was organised by a party in another jurisdiction, one was organised in ours and attended by high ranking ministers.

As I've said, both were a bad idea.

Absolutely this. Both were wrong and both required apology and reform of behaviour.

The PPS have decided no charges are necessary or provable.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PPS have decided not to press charges.

Are you saying the PPS in the north is corrupt?

There's a conspiracy theory:

blanch152 wrote: »

The most corrupt situation in a democracy is when the police force gives special treatment to members of a political party just because they are members of that political party. We have that situation in the North. ...

If MON was locked up they'd be singing their praises.

tikkahunter

Defending Rape - check
Defending Peados - check
Defending murder - check
Defending Kangaroo courts - check
Defending child killing- check
Defending killing women and hiding the bodies - check
Defending breaking Covid regulations - check

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely this. Both were wrong and both required apology and reform of behaviour.

The PPS have decided no charges are necessary or provable.

Probably reckoned that a huge mob of people would cause more trouble than they are worth.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PPS have decided not to press charges.

Are you saying the PPS in the north is corrupt?

It was completely corrupt that the PSNI allowed a political party to break Covid regulations at a political rally/funeral and that this prior corrupt intervention prevented a prosecution.

Incredible that a police force in a democracy should be so deferential to a political party and politicians that their actions prevent a prosecution.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It was completely corrupt that the PSNI allowed a political party to break Covid regulations at a political rally/funeral and that this prior corrupt intervention prevented a prosecution.

Incredible that a police force in a democracy should be so deferential to a political party and politicians that their actions prevent a prosecution.

The PPS have decided not to press charges.

Are you saying the PPS in the north is corrupt?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PPS have decided not to press charges.

Are you saying the PPS in the north is corrupt?

The PPS have already had to apologise to Mairia Cahill over their handling of her case, now it seems that all the political parties in the North (except for SF) have real doubts about them because of their handling of allegations against SF.

At the least there is a need for a robust inquiry into the whole Bobby Storey funeral.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The PPS have already had to apologise to Mairia Cahill over their handling of her case, now it seems that all the political parties in the North (except for SF) have real doubts about them because of their handling of allegations against SF.

At the least there is a need for a robust inquiry into the whole Bobby Storey funeral.

Another inquiry?

Didn't get the result we banked on...can we have another inquiry into offences that cannot be proved in the PPS opinion.
Offences that if proven would probably result in fines at a maximum.

:rolleyes:

CDarby

blanch152 wrote: »

The PPS have already had to apologise to Mairia Cahill over their handling of her case, now it seems that all the political parties in the North (except for SF) have real doubts about them because of their handling of allegations against SF.

At the least there is a need for a robust inquiry into the whole Bobby Storey funeral.

sorry, pardon my ignorance, but has one not just been concluded?

That inquiry found that it couldn't be proven their was any breach of the restrictions.

An inquiry into the inquiry is ludicrous, as a democrat you would probably be as best to accept things didn't go the way you wanted them to go, suck it up and move on.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Another inquiry?

Didn't get the result we banked on...can we have another inquiry into offences that cannot be proved in the PPS opinion.
Offences that if proven would probably result in fines at a maximum.

:rolleyes:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/newsletters/belfast-beat/video-ira-chanting-as-hundreds-party-again-in-belfast-holyland-sparking-fears-of-easter-disruption-40260862.html

This is what happens when people like Michelle O'Neill give a bad example.

blanch152

CDarby wrote: »

sorry, pardon my ignorance, but has one not just been concluded?

That inquiry found that it couldn't be proven their was any breach of the restrictions.

An inquiry into the inquiry is ludicrous, as a democrat you would probably be as best to accept things didn't go the way you wanted them to go, suck it up and move on.

There is a real issue here.

The prosecution failed because of police actions that favoured (potentially corruptly) a political party. That is a huge threat to democracy.

CDarby

blanch152 wrote: »

There is a real issue here.

The prosecution failed because of police actions that favoured (potentially corruptly) a political party. That is a huge threat to democracy.

I don't follow, that's not what the statement from the PPS said.

If you are implying the police service in the north are corrupt, in SFs favour, you should probably post your evidence.

Again I'm not what you'd call a sinn fein voter, I voted FF in 2020, a mistake I will not be repeating mind you, but you can thank the current lot for the rise of sinn fein and no one else.

by the way, are the guards in Ireland also corrupt here for not prosecuting anyone who attended the funeral in mayo last year?
This is the problem, you can't complain about one political party breaking pandemic restrictions and at the same time turn a blind eye to an other(s).

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/newsletters/belfast-beat/video-ira-chanting-as-hundreds-party-again-in-belfast-holyland-sparking-fears-of-easter-disruption-40260862.html

This is what happens when people like Michelle O'Neill give a bad example.

People are breaking regs all over the country and these islands from the get go. Everybody from our government to the ordinary person...but Michelle O'Neill something something.

Hideous and transparent agenda really.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The PPS have already had to apologise to Mairia Cahill over their handling of her case, now it seems that all the political parties in the North (except for SF) have real doubts about them because of their handling of allegations against SF.

At the least there is a need for a robust inquiry into the whole Bobby Storey funeral.

Still using and abusing Ms. Cahill and showing hypocrisy regarding funerals held during Covid. Time to move on?

blanch152

CDarby wrote: »

I don't follow, that's not what the statement from the PPS said.

If you are implying the police service in the north are corrupt, in SFs favour, you should probably post your evidence.

Again I'm not what you'd call a sinn fein voter, I voted FF in 2020, a mistake I will not be repeating mind you, but you can thank the current lot for the rise of sinn fein and no one else.

by the way, are the guards in Ireland also corrupt here for not prosecuting anyone who attended the funeral in mayo last year?
This is the problem, you can't complain about one political party breaking pandemic restrictions and at the same time turn a blind eye to an other(s).

Let's be clear, the prior engagement between the police and the SF organisers prevented prosecution and effectively ensured that law-breakers could avoid prosecution. If you think that isn't corrupt, how do you defend it?

The funeral in Mayo was an legally authorised State funeral, and that distinction has been made clear many times already.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

People are breaking regs all over the country and these islands from the get go. Everybody from our government to the ordinary person...but Michelle O'Neill something something.

Hideous and transparent agenda really.

If you look across the political landscape in the North, all parties bar Sinn Fein appear to agree with my view and supporting the recall of Stormont tomorrow and the censure motion.

You are the outlier on this one.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

If you look across the political landscape in the North, all parties bar Sinn Fein appear to agree with my view and supporting the recall of Stormont tomorrow and the censure motion.

You are the outlier on this one.

You may recall your constantly making the false claim SF let Stormont shut down over the language act?
What do you think about calling to bring down Stormont over a funeral which the authorities found no issue with?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

If you look across the political landscape in the North, all parties bar Sinn Fein appear to agree with my view and supporting the recall of Stormont tomorrow and the censure motion.

You are the outlier on this one.

Wouldn't be the first time the SDLP unwittingly/knowingly sided with the DU who are frantic for something to distract from their shambles with Brexit.


Political motives are the context here.

For every expression of outrage you care to post from the general public I will post you two...one, that is happy with the decision and one apathetic and fed up with the whole sorry affair.

Fann Linn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Another inquiry?

Didn't get the result we banked on...can we have another inquiry into offences that cannot be proved in the PPS opinion.
Offences that if proven would probably result in fines at a maximum.

:rolleyes:

Will there be a cry for a second inquiry if Leo walks, I wonder.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's be clear, the prior engagement between the police and the SF organisers prevented prosecution and effectively ensured that law-breakers could avoid prosecution. If you think that isn't corrupt, how do you defend it?

The funeral in Mayo was an legally authorised State funeral, and that distinction has been made clear many times already.

Full on conspiracy theory here. 'Prior engagement' was entirely legal and expected.

FrancieBrady

Fann Linn wrote: »

Will there be a cry for a second inquiry if Leo walks, I wonder.

It's an abomination that there was even a first one.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's be clear, the prior engagement between the police and the SF organisers prevented prosecution and effectively ensured that law-breakers could avoid prosecution. If you think that isn't corrupt, how do you defend it?

The funeral in Mayo was an legally authorised State funeral, and that distinction has been made clear many times already.

Give it a minute....

skimpydoo

Both funerals should have not taken place in the manner that they did.

If the turnout was smaller at both funerals, we would not be where we are and there would be no whataboutery.

Nobotty

We're gone way past funerals at this stage
If both men were still alive,we'd still have the level of tiredness with lockdowns as we have
Why cant we all be positive for once and look forward to the 80% vaccinated figure by july actually happening
Thats herd immunity