The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you will take no notice of the review. They are corrupt...you can't be just a little corrupt as you say.

So explain what happens now?

Why would I take no notice of the review being conducted by an outside agency?

As far as I know the decision not to prosecute has given rise to two reviews - one to re-examine the prosecuter's decision and the other to look into the actions of the PSNI.

I was told by you and others only a few short days ago that I was talking nonsense when calling for a review. Now here we are with two.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Why would I take no notice of the review being conducted by an outside agency?

As far as I know the decision not to prosecute has given rise to two reviews - one to re-examine the prosecuter's decision and the other to look into the actions of the PSNI.

I was told by you and others only a few short days ago that I was talking nonsense when calling for a review. Now here we are with two.

No, you were talking about another inquiry. You had to be corrected on that. I'll do it again.
A review is not a 'second inquiry' blanch.

blanch152 wrote:

Looks like the second inquiry is happening. I wasn't so wrong after all.

Will you accept the result?

expectationlost

blanch152 wrote: »

Quite an interesting way to funnel illegal donations.

US Sinn Fein fundraised pays people in Serbia to do very little. With their spare time, these generous souls help out Sinn Fein in Ireland to manage their social media.

Its quite possible it just lists Serbia because she occasionally does work from there while she visits relatives


It really has nothing to do with Serbia, its to do with who pays them for what work.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, you were talking about another inquiry. You had to be corrected on that. I'll do it again.
A review is not a 'second inquiry' blanch.



Will you accept the result?

There are two enquiries/reviews. There might even be more as this goes on.

Do you accept the finding that one of the reasons for non-prosecution was that Conor Murphy and Michelle O'Neill couldn't be held responsible for actually understanding the laws that they themselves introduced? Pretty embarrassing for them, don't you think?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

There are two enquiries/reviews. There might even be more as this goes on.

Do you accept the finding that one of the reasons for non-prosecution was that Conor Murphy and Michelle O'Neill couldn't be held responsible for actually understanding the laws that they themselves introduced? Pretty embarrassing for them, don't you think?

They made a mistake. Pretty embarrassing, but many many have made the same one without discontents screaming corruption and promoting anarchy.

Luckily only injuries and no deaths as a result.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They made a mistake. Pretty embarrassing, but many many have made the same one without discontents screaming corruption and promoting anarchy.

Luckily only injuries and no deaths as a result.

The boy Murphy seems a nasty piece of goods.

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The boy Murphy seems a nasty piece of goods.

Seems to be a central ‘point of contact’ for some of the Good Republican lads operating in South Armagh and along the border. The lads with lots of sheds.

FrancieBrady

Loads of 'seems'.

blanch152

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

The boy Murphy seems a nasty piece of goods.

I don't know about that.

Sure wasn't he going up and down every hill and valley telling everyone that the PIRA had nothing to do with Paul Quinn when it had to be admitted later that their members were heavily involved.

Either he is a patsy for the PIRA or he has grand notions of being in the know that he can't back up.

maccored

good old gossip

FrancieBrady

­Are the IMC now corrupt too?

IMC wrote:

The killing was clearly contrary to the instructions and strategy of the leadership of PIRA. It was also contrary to the interests of PIRA and to those of Sinn Féin. We are aware of no evidence linking the leadership of PIRA to the incident. In public statements and in debates in the Dáil and the Northern Ireland Assembly senior members of Sinn Féin have condemned the killing and have called on people to give any information they have to AGS and the PSNI.

4.3 In Section 3 above we do not attribute the killing to PIRA . This is for several reasons: the local and personal nature of its roots; the absence of indications either of organisational sanction or that it was in the interests of PIRA; and because it was contrary to the declared policy which PIRA has been following for over two years. We are reinforced in this view by the subsequent public remarks to which we refer above. The fact that some local members or former members or associates of the organisation were involved in the incident does not in our view justify attributing it to PIRA. In reaching this conclusion we are applying the standards we have consistently followed in respect of all kinds of paramilitary incidents, and to which we have referred in the past .

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

­Are the IMC now corrupt too?

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't know about that.

Sure wasn't he going up and down every hill and valley telling everyone that the PIRA had nothing to do with Paul Quinn when it had to be admitted later that their members were heavily involved.

Either he is a patsy for the PIRA or he has grand notions of being in the know that he can't back up.

Stop the spin and the lies.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/independent-agency-says-ira-members-involved-in-paul-quinns-murder-38929663.html

"The International Monitoring Commission (IMC) said the 21-year-old was beaten to death by people who been “associated with the PIRA at a local level, including as members of the organisation”.

However, the Commission said the murder was “contrary to the instructions and strategy of the leadership of PIRA”.

Sinn Fein Finance Minister Conor Murphy said the Provisional IRA told him their members were not involved in the brutal murder. Mr Murphy also claimed the killing was linked to criminality and fuel smuggling. However, he is due to apologise for this accusation."


We are still waiting a year later for young Conor to apologise.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Stop the spin and the lies.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/independent-agency-says-ira-members-involved-in-paul-quinns-murder-38929663.html

"The International Monitoring Commission (IMC) said the 21-year-old was beaten to death by people who been “associated with the PIRA at a local level, including as members of the organisation”.

However, the Commission said the murder was “contrary to the instructions and strategy of the leadership of PIRA”.

Sinn Fein Finance Minister Conor Murphy said the Provisional IRA told him their members were not involved in the brutal murder. Mr Murphy also claimed the killing was linked to criminality and fuel smuggling. However, he is due to apologise for this accusation."


We are still waiting a year later for young Conor to apologise.

What lies?

The IMC said the IRA were not involved. It is you who are lying trying to undermine that.

We know some paramilitaries entered politics (one ended up being appointed to the Senate and one even ran for President here) and others went in criminality.

Happens after most conflicts/war.

By the way, you may have missed this:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-conor-murphy-apologises-for-paul-quinn-comments-1.4162494

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

associated with the PIRA

ie people who had been in the pira

FrancieBrady

Nolan and the BBC getting called out for a long standing attempt to stoke division and tension.
Time to call out all those who should be responsible for not being so.

https://twitter.com/deirbhilesdaddy/status/1379376600983207937

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What lies?

The IMC said the IRA were not involved. It is you who are lying trying to undermine that.

We know some paramilitaries entered politics (one ended up being appointed to the Senate and one even ran for President here) and others went in criminality.

Happens after most conflicts/war.

By the way, you may have missed this:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-s-conor-murphy-apologises-for-paul-quinn-comments-1.4162494

Once again, more spin and lies. You know full well that Conor Murphy has not apologised and retracted his statements on Paul Quinn.

Your link is dated 5 February 2020. That apology was neither acceptable nor accepted.

https://www.thejournal.ie/conor-murphy-paul-quinn-murder-5020652-Feb2020/

"Yesterday, as he appeared at his first press conference at Stormont since the row, Murphy refused to publicly state Quinn was not a criminal.
“I made a statement in relation to that, I have written to the family and my offer to meet the family remains, I am happy to meet them at any time,” he said.

Breege Quinn has said she will not meet Murphy until he publicly states her son was not a criminal."

From the same paper as your link in September 2020:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/conor-murphy-declines-opportunity-to-say-paul-quinn-was-not-a-criminal-1.4385364

"The Sinn Féin finance minister Conor Murphy has declined an opportunity in the Northern Assembly to state that south Armagh murder victim Paul Quinn was not a criminal."

Please stop the spinning and the lies.

Conor Murphy has yet to present himself at a PSNI station for questioning on his knowledge of Paul Quinn's murder.



P.S. Who was the paramilitary appointed to the Senate?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Once again, more spin and lies. You know full well that Conor Murphy has not apologised and retracted his statements on Paul Quinn.

Your link is dated 5 February 2020. That apology was neither acceptable nor accepted.

https://www.thejournal.ie/conor-murphy-paul-quinn-murder-5020652-Feb2020/

"Yesterday, as he appeared at his first press conference at Stormont since the row, Murphy refused to publicly state Quinn was not a criminal.
“I made a statement in relation to that, I have written to the family and my offer to meet the family remains, I am happy to meet them at any time,” he said.

Breege Quinn has said she will not meet Murphy until he publicly states her son was not a criminal."

From the same paper as your link in September 2020:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/conor-murphy-declines-opportunity-to-say-paul-quinn-was-not-a-criminal-1.4385364

"The Sinn Féin finance minister Conor Murphy has declined an opportunity in the Northern Assembly to state that south Armagh murder victim Paul Quinn was not a criminal."

Please stop the spinning and the lies.

Conor Murphy has yet to present himself at a PSNI station for questioning on his knowledge of Paul Quinn's murder.



P.S. Who was the paramilitary appointed to the Senate?

You said Murphy had 'not apologised'.

He did.

Now you want to dismiss that apology because it didn't contain what you wanted. That's a different thing.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You said Murphy had 'not apologised'.

He did.

Now you want to dismiss that apology because it didn't contain what you wanted. That's a different thing.

It wasn't an apology, it was neither acceptable nor accepted. Why do you think people are still calling on him to apologise?

If Murphy had made a suitable clear and contrite apology, this would be over. He didn't and it isn't.

So, yes, Murphy has not apologised, just like O'Neill has not apologised for attending the Storey funeral.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It wasn't an apology, it was neither acceptable nor accepted. Why do you think people are still calling on him to apologise?

It was an apology. It just wasn't the capitulation you wanted and quite clearly he wasn't going to lie. If he believes Quinn was a criminal, he is in the company of the IMC, who said the 'killing had no little to do with local criminality'.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It was an apology. It just wasn't the capitulation you wanted and quite clearly he wasn't going to lie. If he believes Quinn was a criminal, he is in the company of the IMC, who said the 'killing had no little to do with local criminality'.

The IMC based their finding on feedback from republican sources. Since their report, and the complete discrediting of the malicious rumours spread locally, the only person remaining who claims Paul Quinn was a criminal is Conor Murphy. So much for the SF mantra of innocent until proven guilty (something which you defend all day when it comes to SF but not when it comes to Paul Quinn).


P.S. Who was the paramilitary appointed to the Senate? Can you tell me when they were convicted of membership and what terrorist activities they are implicated in/convicted for?

Pearse, the SF spokesperson on Finance, doesn’t know that he’s a PEP, and is therefore subject to higher levels of AML/KYC oversight. Oh dear. Maybe shouting at Revolut might make them change their mind??

https://twitter.com/pearsedoherty/status/1379368805793726465?s=21

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The IMC based their finding on feedback from republican sources. Since their report, and the complete discrediting of the malicious rumours spread locally, the only person remaining who claims Paul Quinn was a criminal is Conor Murphy. So much for the SF mantra of innocent until proven guilty (something which you defend all day when it comes to SF but not when it comes to Paul Quinn).

Can you point to where the IMC, The PSNI or Gardai have changed their assessment of what happened?
Can you point to any back-up for the statement that they based their feedback on 'republican sources'?

Quite bizarre that an independent body would base a finding on 'feedback' from one of the sides they were tasked with monitoring. Is this a collusion allegation?

P.S. Who was the paramilitary appointed to the Senate? Can you tell me when they were convicted of membership and what terrorist activities they are implicated in/convicted for?

Mairia Cahill was linked to RNU (formerly known as:Ex-POWs and Concerned Republicans against RUC/PSNI & MI5) and the paramilitary group Oglaigh Na Eireann. If she wasn't a paramilitary herself she certainly had no issues with them, both when she supported the IRA and later RNU.

Both her and McGuinness moved away from paramilitarism and support for it, as many people who fought for independence and an end to partition did, thankfully.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you point to where the IMC, The PSNI or Gardai have changed their assessment of what happened?
Can you point to any back-up for the statement that they based their feedback on 'republican sources'?

Quite bizarre that an independent body would base a finding on 'feedback' from one of the sides they were tasked with monitoring. Is this a collusion allegation?
.

You know that the Taoiseach has presented the assessment to the Dail that the security assessment was that Paul Quinn wasn't a criminal. This has been posted many many times, but still the spin and lies that he might have been a criminal.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mairia Cahill was linked to RNU (formerly known as:Ex-POWs and Concerned Republicans against RUC/PSNI & MI5) and the paramilitary group Oglaigh Na Eireann. If she wasn't a paramilitary herself she certainly had no issues with them, both when she supported the IRA and later RNU.
.

Well, well, well. Guilt by association now, with zero evidence of paramilitary involvement, not even a single rumour of terrorist activity, and she is convicted of being a paramilitary. Really, is that all you have on the woman? A complete smear, exposed as being started by Roy Greenslime Greensdale who was an IRA mole working for the Guardian.


Paul Quinn and Mairia Cahill have both been subject to disgusting smear campaigns and propaganda by Sinn Fein and their social media followers. About time the spins and lies stopped.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Pearse, the SF spokesperson on Finance, doesn’t know that he’s a PEP, and is therefore subject to higher levels of AML/KYC oversight. Oh dear. Maybe shouting at Revolut might make them change their mind??

https://twitter.com/pearsedoherty/status/1379368805793726465?s=21

It has only been law for four years, he is still stuck in the 1930s working on updating DeValera's economic policies.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

You know that the Taoiseach has presented the assessment to the Dail that the security assessment was that Paul Quinn wasn't a criminal. This has been posted many many times, but still the spin and lies that he might have been a criminal.

Where have the independent body tasked with adjudicating on these things changed their original assessment that the killing has 'no little to do with local criminality'?

Well, well, well. Guilt by association now, with zero evidence of paramilitary involvement, not even a single rumour of terrorist activity, and she is convicted of being a paramilitary. Really, is that all you have on the woman? A complete smear, exposed as being started by Roy Greenslime who was an IRA mole working for the Guardian.


Paul Quinn and Mairia Cahill have both been subject to disgusting smear campaigns and propaganda by Sinn Fein and their social media followers. About time the spins and lies stopped.

She supported two paramilitary groups blanch. 'Did' - past tense. Like many others did.
You forgive Cahill but not others for their links. Selective forgiveness, well well well.

Bubbaclaus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pearse, the SF spokesperson on Finance, doesn’t know that he’s a PEP, and is therefore subject to higher levels of AML/KYC oversight. Oh dear. Maybe shouting at Revolut might make them change their mind??

https://twitter.com/pearsedoherty/status/1379368805793726465?s=21

He is getting a decent ribbing on the replies alright. In fairness to him he hasn't quietly deleted it, like others might.

wicklowstevo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am just laughing at the line ; as it looks potentially dodgy, even if it ultimately isn't.

I'll wait until this is dodgy.

accountability and transparency is part of politics for normal political party's ,

if sf want to hide behind the balaclava its up to them but they cant do that and still claim to be a genuine political party


being dismissive towards anyone looking into sf funding and then crowing about other party's getting caught out is just frankly childishness

FrancieBrady

wicklowstevo wrote: »

accountability and transparency is part of politics for normal political party's ,

if sf want to hide behind the balaclava its up to them but they cant do that and still claim to be a genuine political party


being dismissive towards anyone looking into sf funding and then crowing about other party's getting caught out is just frankly childishness

Who has claimed something is 'dodgy' before actually coming up with what is dodgy about it?

For days we have heard this insinuation. If it is 'dodgy' that is SIPO and Revenue's ambit and their responsibility to monitor. Not someone who thinks mentioning 'Serbia' makes it immediately 'dodgy'. Where does a 'balaclava' come into it? That's more of the cheap titillation and sensationalism.

drdidlittle

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who has claimed something is 'dodgy' before actually coming up with what is dodgy about it?

For days we have heard this insinuation. If it is 'dodgy' that is SIPO and Revenue's ambit and their responsibility to monitor. Not someone who thinks mentioning 'Serbia' makes it immediately 'dodgy'. Where does a 'balaclava' come into it? That's more of the cheap titillation and sensationalism.

Can you post the link to the SF explanation on the whole FB issue?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who has claimed something is 'dodgy' before actually coming up with what is dodgy about it?

For days we have heard this insinuation. If it is 'dodgy' that is SIPO and Revenue's ambit and their responsibility to monitor. Not someone who thinks mentioning 'Serbia' makes it immediately 'dodgy'. Where does a 'balaclava' come into it? That's more of the cheap titillation and sensationalism.

Essentially, we have read prima facie evidence that Friends of Sinn Fein are paying by the back door for social media services for Sinn Fein. In response from Sinn Fein, we have heard nothing, zero, zilch. They are pretending the allegation and the evidence don't exist.

Sinn Fein promise transparency, but deliver cover-ups and hidden funding.