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blanch152

jm08 wrote: »

I'd be careful what you say here Blanch - they also seem to have some expertise in defamation law!

I don't think there is a chance of them suing me anytime soon. Civil standards of proof apply to defamation law, that is why Gerry Adams never sued anyone who said he was a member of the PIRA.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Congratulations in order to SF on Acht na Gaeilge. Disgraceful that they had to yet again snooker the British and the DUP on it.

It will be interesting to see if the British live up to it by September but grist to who's mill will it be if they go back on their word?

That is Comical Ali funny. Sinn Fein did nothing except run to Daddy in Westminister to protect them from the bad boys. Pathetic really.

Your spin on this is admirable.

hatrickpatrick

Lynn Boylan taking a high court case against CETA. Personally I reckon it's unlikely that the case will fly since the Oireachtas hasn't actually passed CETA yet, and I was under the impression that one couldn't challenge proposed legislation in court prior to that legislation clearing all five stages in both houses - am I right in thinking that a legal challenge to a piece of legislation more or less has to take place in between that legislation clearing the Oireachtas, and being signed by the President?

Either way, this is a good look for her in terms of capturing the left-wing vote in Dublin Bay South. It seems that those hoping for an FG victory are banking on a Peoples' Front of Judea issue in which the left is broadly split between SF, Labour, SocDems and PBP. Although personally, I've never thought this particularly matters during a by-election, since PR still applies and with only one seat to go for, ultimately every transferrable vote is going to end up mattering. Ultimately, this by-election will swing (in my view) on how the FF transfers work out - in other words, once FF's candidate gets eliminated as is surely a near-certainty, will there be more left-leaning or neoliberal-leaning FF voters in terms of who their next preference of candidate is?

I don't live in Dublin Bay South myself so I'm not sure how much of an election transfer issue Irish Nationalism is likely to be in a by-election there. It's often said that FF to SF transfers are primarily from those who prioritise issues such as reunification, but I'd argue that in this particular case it's a little unique as FF being in coalition with FG is entirely unprecedented, and ultimately how FF's votes transfer will depend on whether there are more FF voters who feel that being in coalition with FG is preferable to being in coalition with SF, or vice versa.

Going to be a nail-biting by-election either way, seems it's genuinely all to play for and could be a very exciting count for the political junkies amongst us

ineedeuro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Congratulations in order to SF on Acht na Gaeilge. Disgraceful that they had to yet again snooker the British and the DUP on it.

It will be interesting to see if the British live up to it by September but grist to who's mill will it be if they go back on their word?

I am expecting huge victory parades by the people in Northern Ireland affected by this language act. When do they start do you know?

FrancieBrady

ineedeuro wrote: »

I am expecting huge victory parades by the people in Northern Ireland affected by this language act. When do they start do you know?

The bitterness dripping off that post just because nationalists got equal treatment.

A little bit of acceptance of new realities required amongst our southern brethren too it seems.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

That is Comical Ali funny. Sinn Fein did nothing except run to Daddy in Westminister to protect them from the bad boys. Pathetic really.

Your spin on this is admirable.

SF played them at their own game, cornered them and then used the very thing they were implored to sign up to and observe (the GFA) by the moral grand standers and STILL the bitter recrimination from blanch.

Hilarious to see so much discomfort, I have to say.

blanch152

ineedeuro wrote: »

I am expecting huge victory parades by the people in Northern Ireland affected by this language act. When do they start do you know?

The bonfires will be lit tonight.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bitterness dripping off that post just because nationalists got equal treatment.

A little bit of acceptance of new realities required amongst our southern brethren too it seems.

Acceptance of new realities? You have a long way to go.

FrancieBrady

DUP seem to have accepted the new reality, First and Deputy First Ministers appointed.

ineedeuro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bitterness dripping off that post just because nationalists got equal treatment.

A little bit of acceptance of new realities required amongst our southern brethren too it seems.

You didn't answer my question
If this was a huge victory for the people of Northern Ireland, when will the parades etc start?

gifted

As long as they get off my TV screen I don't care who was appointed to what......

FrancieBrady

ineedeuro wrote: »

You didn't answer my question
If this was a huge victory for the people of Northern Ireland, when will the parades etc start?

Níl a fhios agam.

Fann Linn

Looks like Poots did a Collins.

blanch152

You would think from the celebrations around here that we suddenly had a united Ireland, instead we have a promise from Boris of an Irish Language Act.

The faith in the British is strong among the good republicans.

Fann Linn

DUP in turmoil is the sweetner in this deal.

blanch152

Fann Linn wrote: »

DUP in turmoil is the sweetner in this deal.

Ah yes, the ultimate prize is getting one-up on them-ums.

And so the NI merry-go-round continues. Both sides as bad as each other.

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

Ah yes, the ultimate prize is getting one-up on them-ums.

And so the NI merry-go-round continues. Both sides as bad as each other.

That's just the added bonus. Won't apologise for Sammy Wilson/Dodds et al getting brought into the 21st Century, even though you'd prefer to appease them.

Kermit.de.frog

Fine Gael is the Republican Party now

blanch152

Fann Linn wrote: »

That's just the added bonus. Won't apologise for Sammy Wilson/Dodds et al getting brought into the 21st Century, even though you'd prefer to appease them.

The true colours always show through. Triumphalism, not for an ILA, but for getting one over Wilson/Dodds/Poots and the rest of themums.

To be fair, the other side up there would be the same, there are two of you at it.

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

The true colours always show through. Triumphalism, not for an ILA, but for getting one over Wilson/Dodds/Poots and the rest of themums.

To be fair, the other side up there would be the same, there are two of you at it.

All politics is triumphalism. Why are you here shouting down the Shinners otherwise whilst defending staunchly your FG party regardless of all its scandals.

FrancieBrady

Talk on the tweet machine of a vote of no confidence in Poots.

FrancieBrady

Fann Linn wrote: »

All politics is triumphalism. Why are you here shouting down the Shinners otherwise whilst defending staunchly your FG party regardless of all its scandals.

Lots of bitterness about this, not just in the DUP.

BluePlanet

There seems to be a pattern developing now of the PM imposing solutions over DUP objections.
That won't bode well for unionism in general and devolved administration.

Furze99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you think Boris would have brought in a Sea border after what was said and what happened?

If the British think it is expedient it will happen. If it doesn't then it is just more win win for nationalists.

Stop and think of the absolute bind the Unionists have gotten themselves into here.

Well Francie, I don't claim to understand Unionists entirely but clearly I know a damn sight more about them than you! And since you're continuously spinning your opinions on such matters, you'd kinda think that you'd have gathered a better insight by now or what will fly and what won't fly with our unionist neighbours.

Of course, looked at from a SF POV this is a good move, get one up on Poots and his buddies. Drive division and so on.

But just lengthens the day to an agreed UI.

Furze99

blanch152 wrote: »

Ah yes, the ultimate prize is getting one-up on them-ums.

And so the NI merry-go-round continues. Both sides as bad as each other.

They're both a blight on the ordinary good people of this island.

FrancieBrady

Furze99 wrote: »

Well Francie, I don't claim to understand Unionists entirely but clearly I know a damn sight more about them than you! And since you're continuously spinning your opinions on such matters, you'd kinda think that you'd have gathered a better insight by now or what will fly and what won't fly with our unionist neighbours.

Of course, looked at from a SF POV this is a good move, get one up on Poots and his buddies. Drive division and so on.

But just lengthens the day to an agreed UI.

Was it you earlier who was suggesting there was no way Westminster could introduce the legislation?

If so, can you explain that first?

If not...feck off with the 'drive division' accusations. You look for equal rights because division already exists.

Equal rights heal division. 2006 this was first agreed and has been blocked and blocked again....but the Shinners are 'driving division'.

Jesus H.

blanch152

Fann Linn wrote: »

All politics is triumphalism. Why are you here shouting down the Shinners otherwise whilst defending staunchly your FG party regardless of all its scandals.

That shows how much you know. And it's very little.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was it you earlier who was suggesting there was no way Westminster could introduce the legislation?

If so, can you explain that first?

If not...feck off with the 'drive division' accusations. You look for equal rights because division already exists.

Equal rights heal division. 2006 this was first agreed and has been blocked and blocked again....but the Shinners are 'driving division'.

Jesus H.

What you and others haven't realised is that SF have run out of road on excuses now. They have always pointed to the DUP as "belligerents", but if once we get an Irish Languages Act, SF will have to stop its pretence of not owning what the Executive does.

Shebean

It seems it's SF bad = SF bad, DUP bad = SF and DUP bad.

DUP dragged their heels because they don't want an equal society. The idea of Catholics/nationalists being treated equally is abhorrent to them. Looks like the DUP are imploding. A good thing for the different communities and minorities in the north.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

What you and others haven't realised is that SF have run out of road on excuses now. They have always pointed to the DUP as "belligerents", but if once we get an Irish Languages Act, SF will have to stop its pretence of not owning what the Executive does.

SF always were responsible for their part in the unique thing the Executive in NI was.

The problem is that you held only them responsible.

Even, on a red letter day for anyone who cherishes equal rights, you are trying to make them the villains of the piece.

Pathetic, anti-Irish anti-equal rights and may I say, predictable.

drdidlittle

When will the people on the street start to see the benifit from this 15 year hard fought struggle?

FrancieBrady

drdidlittle wrote: »

When will the people on the street start to see the benifit from this 15 year hard fought struggle?

They are watching a political party mired in sectarian religiously bigoted policy and rump of the former sectarian state implode in front of their eyes.

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

That shows how much you know. And it's very little.

I know you claim to be GP. I'll leave the rest to your posts.

drdidlittle

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are watching a political party mired in sectarian religiously bigoted policy and rump of the former sectarian state implode in front of their eyes.

The whole issue of NI summed up in less than 25 words.

hatrickpatrick

drdidlittle wrote: »

The whole issue of NI summed up in less than 25 words.

Absolutely. And that is 100% on the Unionists.

It astounds me that so many forget what this conflict is and was actually about. The only reason a conflict ever existed at all is because one segment of the population thought they had some kind of overarching moral right to better jobs, better education and better housing, because the way they interpret the Bible is slightly different to the way others interpret it.

There would never have been a Troubles if they had just introduced the democratic, social, and economic equality NICRA had spent years calling for in the first place. Quite frankly, I find it very very difficult to accept any argument that DUP voters whose primary objective in voting DUP isn't to retain that institutionalised demographic superiority and social authoritarianism are anything other than a tiny, tiny, tiny majority.

Unionism was never about national affiliation or even religious affiliation, it was about preserving the culture of "our crowd are treated better than the other crowd, and we deserve that so we'll fight for it".

Fann Linn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are watching a political party mired in sectarian religiously bigoted policy and rump of the former sectarian state implode in front of their eyes.

On their centenary anniversary. How fitting.

CDarby

blanch152 wrote: »

That shows how much you know. And it's very little.

Your not a fine gael man? Seriously like, your posts seriously misrepresent yourself. Maybe time to think about a nice signature or a tagline clarifying that, surely that poster above is not the first to misunderstand you lol.

Fann Linn

CDarby wrote: »

Your not a fine gael man? Seriously like, your posts seriously misrepresent yourself. Maybe time to think about a nice signature or a tagline clarifying that, surely that poster above is not the first to misunderstand you lol.

Sure we're all Green Party on here. Myself, Francie, McMurphy, not sure about Brenners but even Davy lurking around here is in the GP!

Brendan Bendar

Furze99 wrote: »

Well Francie, I don't claim to understand Unionists entirely but clearly I know a damn sight more about them than you! And since you're continuously spinning your opinions on such matters, you'd kinda think that you'd have gathered a better insight by now or what will fly and what won't fly with our unionist neighbours.

Of course, looked at from a SF POV this is a good move, get one up on Poots and his buddies. Drive division and so on.

But just lengthens the day to an agreed UI.

That’s what these guys love F.

‘Sit down’ and dance on the head of a pin for as long as it takes.

That’s the idea…. Drag everything out to the nth degree, shure aren’t the Brits paying.

That’s the whole idea.

blanch152

CDarby wrote: »

Your not a fine gael man? Seriously like, your posts seriously misrepresent yourself. Maybe time to think about a nice signature or a tagline clarifying that, surely that poster above is not the first to misunderstand you lol.

Eh, nope. Not aligned to any party, voted Green in the last two elections. The climate issue is the biggest one facing the country. Deep hatred of Sinn Fein and the support of violence that they stand for.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

Eh, nope. Not aligned to any party, voted Green in the last two elections. The climate issue is the biggest one facing the country. Deep hatred of Sinn Fein and the support of violence that they stand for.

Are you trying to claim that Mary Lou McDonnell supports violence and thats why you hate Sinn Fein?

guy2231

blanch152 wrote: »

Eh, nope. Not aligned to any party, voted Green in the last two elections. The climate issue is the biggest one facing the country. Deep hatred of Sinn Fein and the support of violence that they stand for.

The climate issue is the biggest issue facing the country, give it a rest would you blanch.

Bishop of hope

guy2231 wrote: »

The climate issue is the biggest issue facing the country, give it a rest would you blanch.

He is right to an extent. Its the one of biggest causes of spiralling costs of housing anyways.

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

He is right to an extent. Its the one of biggest causes of spiralling costs of housing anyways.

No, that's greed.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, that's greed.

No,thats Lynn Boylan trying every which way to back into yet another high paid job funded by the taxpayer.

Like Coppinger, when the electorate see through you, hop back to the teaching job and wait for the next ‘opportunity’.

Different strokes Francie, different outlooks.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No,thats Lynn Boylan trying every which way to back into yet another high paid job funded by the taxpayer.

Like Coppinger, when the electorate see through you, hop back to the teaching job and wait for the next ‘opportunity’.

Different strokes Francie, different outlooks.

Or maybe they could work for Big Tobacco or 'hop back' into their barrister job? Those kind of 'different strokes, different outlooks' Brendi?

By the way, back on topic, would you agree 'climate change' is not the cause of dearer houses, greed in exploiting climate change is?

Brendan Bendar

Scrolls up to top……

Checks thread subject……

Notes it’s a Sinn Féin thread…….

Plenty of ‘housing’ threads……

Suggests use one of those to find out the answer…….

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Scrolls up to top……

Checks thread subject……

Notes it’s a Sinn Féin thread…….

Plenty of ‘housing’ threads……

Suggests use one of those to find out the answer…….

So why no vitriol for the poster who introduced 'climate change' or is it maybe that you don't want to compare and contrast motivations for getting into politics?

*Ruth Coppinger isn't in SF, either last time I looked, didn't you notice that when you 'checked thread subject'? This poster thinks you maybe don't want the conversation to go the way it is. Shot yourself in the old foot as they say.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So why no vitriol for the poster who introduced 'climate change' or is it maybe that you don't want to compare and contrast motivations for getting into politics?

*Ruth Coppinger isn't in SF, either last time I looked, didn't you notice that when you 'checked thread subject'? This poster thinks you maybe don't want the conversation to go the way it is. Shot yourself in the old foot as they say.

Francie, at the same auld rubbish again

I never said Coppinger was SF..

Francie, you once again in an effort to ‘score pathetic points’ have interpreted post wrongly.You inferred from the post that that’s what I meant

It’s very annoying to the genuine poster to have to deal with that kind of a posting strategy, very annoying indeed

But I suppose that’s inbuilt into a certain coterie of folk.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Francie, at the same auld rubbish again

I never said Coppinger was SF..

Francie, you once again in an effort to ‘score pathetic points’ have interpreted post wrongly.You inferred from the post that that’s what I meant

It’s very annoying to the genuine poster to have to deal with that kind of a posting strategy, very annoying indeed

But I suppose that’s inbuilt into a certain coterie of folk.

So you introduced Ruth to the conversation as another poster introduced climate change.

Yet no ire for that poster, just a bitchy, 'I don't want to talk about this anymore' response when the conversation turned on FG.

Predictable posting strategy's eh?

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you introduced Ruth to the conversation as another poster introduced climate change.

Yet no ire for that poster, just a bitchy, 'I don't want to talk about this anymore' response when the conversation turned on FG.

Predictable posting strategy's eh?

I outlined a comparison,Francie, a comparison to an SF person.

Now housing is a totally different kettle of pïss.

I think you will find I have never gotten involved in any debates to any serious thread or extent on that subject.

Now I know you have plenty of time to dredge through posts and you surely will, just to try to score an innocuous point .

I wish you the best of luck.

But don’t wreck the thread just to get a slap at the auld Brenner.

That’s all I ask.