The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

markodaly

maccored wrote: »

you do understand what 'ex' means, yes?

Of course, but again it reaffirms the reality that SF either accepts anyone in their party or attracts this type of element naturally.
#notanormalparty

seamus

maccored wrote: »

you do understand what 'ex' means, yes?

It's kind of irrelevant.

He was once a party member, elected to Dublin City Council, a former personal assistant to Mary-Lou McDonald.



Sinn Fein and the IRA have, since the GFA, been accused of being in bed with organised crime, and they have strenuously denied any links at all.

Yet, here we are; party members, elected politicians not only linked to organised crime, but actively participating in murder and other violent activity.

It could actually happen to any party, but it can't be denied that for SF in particular they don't need this because it raises a lot more questions about why he was in the party at all and who is linked to him.

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

You're right on that point. Just look at #Leotheleak. Still going strong despite all his supporters on here saying, 'nuthin to see here, move along lads'.

Now now,its only going strong in the heads of people hoping for a crime that the latest paper scoops say doesn't exist
Meanwhile SF are going to be linked in headlines on all of tomorrows new stands when people buy a litre of milk to gangland crime

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Of course, but again it reaffirms the reality that SF either accepts anyone in their party or attracts this type of element naturally.
#notanormalparty

?? He's not in the party anymore.

You need a crystal ball to see into the future now as party leaders?

markodaly

MLMD will need to make a public statement as soon as possible to explain her links and connections to Dowdall. She needs to come clean on everything as being associated with a would-be murdered is a very very serious issue.
We need transparency here, not the usual SF deflections and whataboutery, or the latest tactic, blaming the journalist for breaking the news.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

MLMD will need to make a public statement as soon as possible to explain her links and connections to Dowdall. She needs to come clean on everything as being associated with a would-be murdered is a very very serious issue.
We need transparency here, not the usual SF deflections and whataboutery, or the latest tactic, blaming the journalist for breaking the news.

Come clean on how Dowdall left SF some time ago and began working with a political rival of SF's?
She condemned Dowdall on his first conviction in 2017 Mark...do try and keep abreast of facts on this one.

beakerjoe

markodaly wrote: »

MLMD will need to make a public statement as soon as possible to explain her links and connections to Dowdall. She needs to come clean on everything as being associated with a would-be murdered is a very very serious issue.
We need transparency here, not the usual SF deflections and whataboutery, or the latest tactic, blaming the journalist for breaking the news.

Realistically you know what she will say.

She will say hes no longer in the party and as such, hes gone down a bad path since leaving the party. Nothing to do with them is what the message will be.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Come clean on how Dowdall left SF some time ago and began working with a political rival of SF's?
She condemned Dowdall on his first conviction in 2017 Mark...do try and keep abreast of facts on this one.

At the very least SF will have to come clean on what they knew about this man and the activities of his gang
Otherwise they are going to have a reputation of sheltering criminals.

Finty Lemon

Disband the special criminal court. Jonathan Dowdall deserves a fair trial.

beakerjoe

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Disband the special criminal court. Jonathan Dowdall deserves a fair trial.

Would he not get one at a special criminal court? If so, why not?

beakerjoe

Marine Layer wrote: »

At the very least SF will have to come clean on what they knew about this man and the activities of his gang
Otherwise they are going to have a reputation of sheltering criminals.

They wont though. They will say it didnt know, plead ignorance, prove otherwise.

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

At the very least SF will have to come clean on what they knew about this man and the activities of his gang
Otherwise they are going to have a reputation of sheltering criminals.

???

What the hell? SF are responsible for what somebody does long after leaving the party?

Are you having a laff?

markodaly

SF needs to release a statement detailing in a very transparent manner what Dowdall did in SF, right up to the point he left.

https://twitter.com/electionlit/status/1386986918504714240?s=19

Finty Lemon

beakerjoe wrote: »

Would he not get one at a special criminal court? If so, why not?

Jonathan, as an IRA member who also worked for the SF leadership, deserves a jury of his peers.

Fann Linn

Marine Layer wrote: »

Now now,its only going strong in the heads of people hoping for a crime that the latest paper scoops say doesn't exist
Meanwhile SF are going to be linked in headlines on all of tomorrows new stands when people buy a litre of milk to gangland crime

Alison O Connor talking about it on CB as we speak. As said previously, ' nuthin to see here.... '

Brendan Bendar

beakerjoe wrote: »

Realistically you know what she will say.

She will say hes no longer in the party and as such, hes gone down a bad path since leaving the party. Nothing to do with them is what the message will be.

Spot on Speaker, name of the game for the Shinners is ‘omertà’.

Nothing sees the light of day which might throw any shade on them.

beakerjoe

markodaly wrote: »

SF needs to release a statement detailing in a very transparent manner what Dowdall did in SF, right up to the point he left.

Should but they dont have to. Dowdall will be condemned but any knowledge of his involvement will be denied.

beakerjoe

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Jonathan, as an IRA member who also worked for the SF leadership, deserves a jury of his peers.

But hes involved in gangland crime. It shouldnt matter which political party he is involved in.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

???

What the hell? SF are responsible for what somebody does long after leaving the party?

Are you having a laff?

I'm afraid that won't wash
SF at the very least will have to come clean on what they knew about this man while he was a councillor and MLM's PA too
Because as you know,Sunday papers have a habit of finding out

Bubbaclaus

FrancieBrady wrote: »

???

What the hell? SF are responsible for what somebody does long after leaving the party?

Are you having a laff?

He was a Sinn Fein member while he was waterboarding people.

This isn't a fella that was simply in the wrong hotel at the wrong time.

beakerjoe

Marine Layer wrote: »

I'm afraid that won't wash
SF at the very least will have to come clean on what they knew about this man while he was a councillor and MLM's PA too
Because as you know,Sunday papers have a habit of finding out

They really wont, unless someone can prove SF knew about his gangland activities.

They will deal with it if the Sunday papers find out, never before anything is published.

starkid

markodaly wrote: »

Ex SF Councilor charged with a gangland murder.
Why is it, it seems that this stuff always follows SF.

Last week it was all about the secret Abu database, which was very sinister.
Now, it's this guy with deep and long-standing connections to the party charged with a vicious murder.

Funny how SF have connections to both sides of the feud.

Hurrache

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Spot on Speaker, name of the game for the Shinners is ‘omertà’.

Apart from Francie Brady, who obviously has some form of virtual bat signal which calls him to every SF related thread from which he can't be stopped posting in vehement defence of them, despite claiming not to be a party member (or has that claim been dropped?)

beakerjoe

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

He was a Sinn Fein member while he was waterboarding people.

This isn't a fella that was simply in the wrong hotel at the wrong time.

I hope this is his defense...."I was just at a confo next door".

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

I'm afraid that won't wash
SF at the very least will have to come clean on what they knew about this man while he was a councillor and MLM's PA too
Because as you know,Sunday papers have a habit of finding out

All in the public realm since his first conviction. I'm sure the usual few will flog as much out of it as the can with the 'shinester SF' stuff. But seems to me they did what should have here when he turned out to be a bad one - got rid of him.

Brendan Bendar

Hurrache wrote: »

Apart from Francie Brady, who obviously has some for of virtual bat signal which calls him to every SF related thread from which he can't be stopped posting in vehement defence of them, despite claiming not to be a party member (or has that claim been dropped?)

He heh....excellent synopsis.

Sums it up perfectly.

FrancieBrady

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

He was a Sinn Fein member while he was waterboarding people.

This isn't a fella that was simply in the wrong hotel at the wrong time.

What happened after it was discovered he was engaged in waterboarding?


Take your time.

Bridge93

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What happened after it was discovered he was engaged in waterboarding?


Take your time.

He left by all accounts. No indication he was asked to resign. He left only a month after the incident supposedly happened. He claimed he was bullied or something of that sort

seamus

FrancieBrady wrote: »

???

What the hell? SF are responsible for what somebody does long after leaving the party?

There are questions to be answered. This isn't a drink-driving charge, or a burglary a decade after leaving the party.

He imprisoned and tortured a man in his home while still a member of the party (though having stepped down from his elected position citing "ill-health").

He then left in June 2015 and seven months later allegedly carried out a gangland murder.

It would be beyond naive to claim that he became involved in gangland crime only after leaving SF.

Reading between the lines, I suspect SF became aware of his connections not long after he was elected and began putting tremendous pressure on him from within to walk away.

It's time for SF to pull on the big boy pants and be honest here. "We didn't know he was a violent thug deeply embedded in gang crime" makes them look even worse, like a complete clown show with no vetting process at all.

If they continue with that line, then we know that the old murderer's club hasn't been disbanded and it's party over everything else.