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lou1980

Bridge93 wrote: »

He left by all accounts. No indication he was asked to resign. He left only a month after the incident supposedly happened. He claimed he was bullied or something of that sort

Maybe he picked a side.. maybe he left because they are funded by DK and MTK maybe he showed loyalty and was bullied over that. Be interesting to see if SF say anything on the matter. If they are the change people want if they are the peoples party why have they not made any statements about the kinahan cartel. They are well able to speak on other social matters but so little on organised crime.

blanch152

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What’s even more worrying is how people like this slide in under the radar as a councilor, a position of responsibility, with access to a lot of private information, and photographed with national figures.

Gives them an aura of respectability.

How many more of these are swilling around the trenches??

Very serious situation here....

Paddy Holohan would have had access to Abu, the Kingsmill bread lad still has access to Abu, as he was welcomed back with open arms.

Not a good look.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

So glad to have established your principles on this.

It means that if a party member is found by a court to have leaked a confidential document, there is no blame attaching to the party. It also means that if a party member or TD secretly doesn't pay their taxes, there is no blame to the party.

Get up the yard with that. You know that you are applying the one rule for SF, different rule for everyone else approach.

Where have I blamed the party for a member that leaks? Or glasses somebody in the face?

I blame the party if they circle the wagons to protect people like that.

SF are not protecting or condoning this guys behaviour since his first crime was uncovered.

Up the yard yourself.

Topgear on Dave

Will Ferris pick him up when he gets out Francie?

blanch152

lou1980 wrote: »

Maybe he picked a side.. maybe he left because they are funded by DK and MTK maybe he showed loyalty and was bullied over that. Be interesting to see if SF say anything on the matter. If they are the change people want if they are the peoples party why have they not made any statements about the kinahan cartel. They are well able to speak on other social matters but so little on organised crime.

That is quite possible, he was on the wrong side of internal gang wars within Sinn Fein and left.

MadYaker

I’m reading this story and sitting here wondering about all the shenanigans that we haven’t heard about. How anyone can vote for this party is beyond me.

markodaly

seamus wrote: »

If they continue with that line, then we know that the old murderer's club hasn't been disbanded and it's party over everything else.

I wonder what other sinister secrets the party is hiding.

markodaly

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Will Ferris pick him up when he gets out Francie?

Standing ovation at the next SF Ard Fheis.

TheCitizen

lou1980 wrote: »

Maybe he picked a side.. maybe he left because they are funded by DK and MTK maybe he showed loyalty and was bullied over that. Be interesting to see if SF say anything on the matter. If they are the change people want if they are the peoples party why have they not made any statements about the kinahan cartel. They are well able to speak on other social matters but so little on organised crime.

Have you any evidence at all that MTK and Kinahan fund Sinn Fein?

Brendan Bendar

lou1980 wrote: »

Maybe he picked a side.. maybe he left because they are funded by DK and MTK maybe he showed loyalty and was bullied over that. Be interesting to see if SF say anything on the matter. If they are the change people want if they are the peoples party why have they not made any statements about the kinahan cartel. They are well able to speak on other social matters but so little on organised crime.

I’ll tell you why poster, it’s of no political advantage to them.

Note anytime a SF spokesperson in on a media their FIRST objective is to attack the GOVT.

Forget the subject of the interview, health, crime, environment.... whatever...irrelevant..... first objective.... get a cut in at the Govt.

So making comment on organised crime in any meaningful way gains them nothing.

Only lifts a few slates and shines a torch into very dark places.

MadYaker

I agree, why would SF politicians want to talk about organised crime when members of their party are up to their eyes in it?

TheCitizen

MadYaker wrote: »

I’m reading this story and sitting here wondering about all the shenanigans that we haven’t heard about. How anyone can vote for this party is beyond me.

It's certainly not a good look for Sinn Fein no matter what way they try to explain it. Was this guy charged not already expelled from Sinn Fein when charged with a previous crime though?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh he did, having got back into the party because of a media stink about SF forcing him out.

Allegations of 'bullying' made against SF believed without any grounds...when have we seen that happen before.

Mary Lou as a TD commented on his conviction, she welcomed the conviction and condemned the crime.

Interesting.

Either she was completely fooled by him (raises questions about her ability to govern) and didn't know anything about his criminal gang connections, or she chose at the time of his conviction not to reveal her knowledge (the lack of transparency also raises questions about her ability to govern).

By posting that quote, you have shown what a difficult place Mary-Lou has put herself, and why she needs now to be clear.

Fann Linn

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I’ll tell you why poster, it’s of no political advantage to them.

Note anytime a SF spokesperson in on a media their FIRST objective is to attack the GOVT.

Forget the subject of the interview, health, crime, environment.... whatever...irrelevant..... first objective.... get a cut in at the Govt.

So making comment on organised crime in any meaningful way gains them nothing.

Only lifts a few slates and shines a torch into very dark places.

Maybe they're having a cut at the GOVT Brenners because they are actually supposed to be governing health, crime, environment...

The FIRST clue is in the word GOVT.

FrancieBrady

TheCitizen wrote: »

It's certainly not a good look for Sinn Fein no matter what way they try to explain it. Was this guy charged not already expelled from Sinn Fein when charged with a previous crime though?

When somebody is under criminal investigation or turns out to be a criminal and was a member or is still associated with your party, of course it isn't a good look, that is why the usual guys are having the usual pile-on here.


Let them at it.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Interesting.

Either she was completely fooled by him (raises questions about her ability to govern) and didn't know anything about his criminal gang connections, or she chose at the time of his conviction not to reveal her knowledge (the lack of transparency also raises questions about her ability to govern).

By posting that quote, you have shown what a difficult place Mary-Lou has put herself, and why she needs now to be clear.

So would you say the same of all leaders whose members turn out to be something other than they present themselves?

For Forks Sake

A timeline, best as I can establish it:

May 2014: elected to DCC as SF representative:https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/one-time-mcdonald-acolyte-was-elected-on-crest-of-a-wave-for-sinn-fein-in-local-elections-34530798.html

Sept 25 2014: Dowdall resigns from SF:It’s emerged that Dowdall has not officially resigned from Dublin City Council but has instead quit Sinn Féin. The party had said on Tuesday he was stepping down from “elected politics” for health reasons.

Oct 17 2014: rejoins SF/DCC:
he is “delighted” to be remaining with Sinn Féin and said that the decision came after talks with party figures.

Jan 15th 2015: Dowdall and his father falsely imprison and torture a man: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/jonathan-dowdall-jailed-for-12-years-for-waterboarding-man-1.3104244

Feb 13 2015: Quits SF/DCC again, cites bullying as the reason: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/i-quit-over-sinn-fein-bullying-former-councillor-31339952.html

June 1 2017: Dowdall sentenced to 12 years for the false/imprisonment/torture in 2014: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/jonathan-dowdall-jailed-for-12-years-for-waterboarding-man-1.3104244

April 23 2018: Sentence reduced to 10 years on appeal: https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/0423/956527-dowdall/

touts

smurgen wrote: »

When did this lad resign? Having scumbags associated with any party isn't a good look and Sinn Fein need to address it. I say that as a Sinn Fein supporter. They need to understand a vote isn't earned and not guaranteed. We suffered that type of thinking from the other parties for too long now.

Once in never out.

jimmycrackcorm

blanch152 wrote: »

Either she was completely fooled by him (raises questions about her ability to govern) and didn't know anything about his criminal gang connections, or she chose at the time of his conviction not to reveal her knowledge (the lack of transparency also raises questions about her ability to govern).

It's quite clear that SF dodgy members are a core part of SF and she has to accept that as part and parcel of what SF represents.

But Dowdall is also throwing the light squarely on SF policy to get rid of the SCC. It's very clear why.

Unfortunately Sinn Fein will probably get into power at some stage over the next one or two election cycles. This kind of thing won't worry them too much, fake nationalists waving their tri-colours and singing trad songs

Fann Linn

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's quite clear that SF dodgy members are a core part of SF and she has to accept that as part and parcel of what SF represents.

But Dowdall is also throwing the light squarely on SF policy to get rid of the SCC. It's very clear why.

I suppose that's the reason why Amnesty International, an ex Irish President and Civil Liberties organisations are also against the SCC so.

Marco23d

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unfortunately Sinn Fein will probably get into power at some stage over the next one or two election cycles. This kind of thing won't worry them too much, fake nationalists waving their tri-colours and singing trad songs

There's no doubt about it.

Obviously SF has something to answer here. However why was the media, the Indo in particular, championing this guy. Were people using him as an example of SF bullying early on in this thread? Genuine question as this thread is something I only rarely pop into.

Did the Independent not check out on the guy? Was he being bullied because of his criminal activities?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unfortunately Sinn Fein will probably get into power at some stage over the next one or two election cycles. This kind of thing won't worry them too much, fake nationalists waving their tri-colours and singing trad songs

They will get in because an entire generation don’t think they will ever afford a house. Most of these aren’t flag wavers.

FrancieBrady

fvp4 wrote: »

Obviously SF has something to answer here. However why was the media, the Indo in particular, championing this guy. Were people using him as an example of SF bullying early on in this thread? Genuine question as this thread is something I only rarely pop into.

Did the Independent not check out on the guy? Was he being bullied because of his criminal activities?

Clear and obvious why...there are people in this country who will believe anything they are told as long as it harms SF. They will also ignore stuff in order to do the same.
They are up on the high moral ground now screaming that SF and Mary Lou should have known...without the ability to see the hypocrisy in their screaming.

What more evidence of this is required at this stage eludes me.

SafeSurfer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Obviously SF has something to answer here. However why was the media, the Indo in particular, championing this guy. Were people using him as an example of SF bullying early on in this thread? Genuine question as this thread is something I only rarely pop into.

Did the Independent not check out on the guy? Was he being bullied because of his criminal activities?

The Sinn Fein bullying must have been pretty severe if someone convicted of torturing and threatening to kill another person and also videoing it, was intimidated by it.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The Sinn Fein bullying must have been pretty severe if someone convicted of torturing and threatening to kill another person and also videoing it, was intimidated by it.

or maybe he decided to manipulate the media pile-ons?

Eric Cartman

66% chance of blood on hands.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

or maybe he decided to manipulate the media pile-ons?

Sinn Fein has admitted that bullying was a problem in the party. Are you now denying this?

lou1980

TheCitizen wrote: »

Have you any evidence at all that MTK and Kinahan fund Sinn Fein?

Not solid no. But its definitely on its way to the surface its bubbling at the moment and to take an educated guess on all dirty washing usually gets aired eventually I've a feeling some concrete evidence is on its way. Which will be such a shame if it does. Because the recovery won't go well.