The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

Using the homeless now? Got tired of the Covid victims?
We've covered the numerous Covid related reasons as to why the FG driven record breaking crises figures have dropped marginally since the pandemic.

How come the same Covid-related reasons are forcing the Northern Ireland figures up by 10% while ours are down nearly 20%, hardly dropping marginally?

Strange that.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

You trying to say any party nomination is crony just doesn't wash Blanch.
It's a far cry from having five or more applicants and only putting you party pal forward for consideration isn't it? Are you trying to fool me or yourself?

Once again, in this case, Sinn Fein didn't even look for applicants, they just put forward the crony appointment.

#notanormalparty

CrazyFather1

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.focusireland.ie/resource-hub/latest-figures-homelessness-ireland/

Even the graph on Focus Ireland shows the decline. Getting close to 20% reduction.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-on-social-housing-waiting-lists-in-north-rises-by-10-1.4482407

The trend in Northern Ireland is up by around 10%.

So even if the numbers are not directly comparable, the trends indicate which country is dealing better with the situation.

Last time I posted this I was more or less told to ignore it because something magical would happen in the next few months to fix it
Really the Huff&puff party propaganda is very good at covering the disaster they are

grayzer75

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.focusireland.ie/resource-hub/latest-figures-homelessness-ireland/

Even the graph on Focus Ireland shows the decline. Getting close to 20% reduction.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-on-social-housing-waiting-lists-in-north-rises-by-10-1.4482407

The trend in Northern Ireland is up by around 10%.

So even if the numbers are not directly comparable, the trends indicate which country is dealing better with the situation.

So social housing waiting lists in the North = homelessness?

if we use the same metric then there are over 68,000 in the South:
https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/time-set-new-social-housing-target

But if you research homelessness in the North correctly you will see there has been no rise:
https://www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/homelessness-knowledge-hub/homelessness-monitor/northern-ireland/the-homelessness-monitor-northern-ireland-2020/

The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020
30.01.2020
The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020 is the third annual report of an independent study, funded by Crisis and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, of the homelessness impacts of recent economic and policy developments in Northern Ireland.

Key findings
The total number of homelessness presentations in Northern Ireland has been virtually static over the past few years, but Full Duty Applicant cases have been steadily rising, increasing by 26% since 2009/10.
There has been a perceived rise in rough sleeping in recent years. This perception is partly related to a visible increase in “street activity” including street begging and street drinking. Nevertheless, given the lack of any historical series it is difficult to judge whether rough sleeping in Northern Ireland is, in fact, changing in scale in any sustained way. Northern Ireland Housing Executive put the November 2018 number of rough sleepers across the jurisdiction at 38. Of these, 16 were in Belfast – up from only five a year earlier. Nonetheless, numbers of people rough sleeping in Northern Ireland remains relatively small in scale compared with other parts of the UK and with the Republic of Ireland.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Once again, in this case, Sinn Fein didn't even look for applicants, they just put forward the crony appointment.

#notanormalparty

If it is a 'crony' appointment then that hashtag is wrong, because crony appointment are the norm in Ireland. Not looking at you Regina for instance - leading the Senate having led the campaign to abolish it.

Ten of Swords

markodaly wrote: »

Equivocate away, it is your right I suppose, but don't get upset when people rightly call you out for justifying and defending the murder of children for 'the cause'.

Mod

I keep seeing posts making references similar to this one

Drop these types of posts if you intend to keep posting in the thread, it adds nothing to the discussion and is simply inflammatory, and in many instances it is not even backed up by a quote so is possibly a selective or misrepresented version of something else entirely

This applies to all posters

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

How come the same Covid-related reasons are forcing the Northern Ireland figures up by 10% while ours are down nearly 20%, hardly dropping marginally?

Strange that.

It is indeed. It's almost like they are two different jurisdictions.
You remember us discussing this before though right? You not willing to accept figures from the 'charity industry' when you didn't like them. Now that you are you are told time and again it relates to Covid. Then you speak on them dropping, coincidentally, around the time former minister Murphy cooked the books, but they rose again anyway? Member family homelessness quadrupled over a six year period, when you didn't rate figures from the 'charity industry'?
Here's a link.

And some time will pass and you'll post these yarns again...

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Once again, in this case, Sinn Fein didn't even look for applicants, they just put forward the crony appointment.

#notanormalparty

You don't understand what putting forward or nominating someone entails.

If FF/FG are a normal party, good.

McMurphy

James Brown wrote: »

It is indeed. It's almost like they are two different jurisdictions.
You remember us discussing this before though right? You not willing to accept figures from the 'charity industry' when you didn't like them. Now that you are you are told time and again it relates to Covid. Then you speak on them dropping, coincidentally, around the time former minister Murphy cooked the books, but they rose again anyway? Member family homelessness quadrupled over a six year period, when you didn't rate figures from the 'charity industry'?
Here's a link.

And some time will pass and you'll post these yarns again...

Terrible affliction the auld amnesia so it is jb, the selective type is the worst type though.

blanch152

grayzer75 wrote: »

So social housing waiting lists in the North = homelessness?

if we use the same metric then there are over 68,000 in the South:
https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/time-set-new-social-housing-target

But if you research homelessness in the North correctly you will see there has been no rise:
https://www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/homelessness-knowledge-hub/homelessness-monitor/northern-ireland/the-homelessness-monitor-northern-ireland-2020/

The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020
30.01.2020
The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020 is the third annual report of an independent study, funded by Crisis and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, of the homelessness impacts of recent economic and policy developments in Northern Ireland.

Key findings
The total number of homelessness presentations in Northern Ireland has been virtually static over the past few years, but Full Duty Applicant cases have been steadily rising, increasing by 26% since 2009/10.
There has been a perceived rise in rough sleeping in recent years. This perception is partly related to a visible increase in “street activity” including street begging and street drinking. Nevertheless, given the lack of any historical series it is difficult to judge whether rough sleeping in Northern Ireland is, in fact, changing in scale in any sustained way. Northern Ireland Housing Executive put the November 2018 number of rough sleepers across the jurisdiction at 38. Of these, 16 were in Belfast – up from only five a year earlier. Nonetheless, numbers of people rough sleeping in Northern Ireland remains relatively small in scale compared with other parts of the UK and with the Republic of Ireland.

The figures you present only support my case.

If you are correct that the equivalent figure for the South is 68,000, when the figure in the North as quoted by the Irish Times is 42,665, then clearly, when you adjust for population, the problem in the North is running at twice the level of the South.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-on-social-housing-waiting-lists-in-north-rises-by-10-1.4482407

Finally, the report you reference, while entitled "The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020", uses data from 2019 at the latest, with some of the data only going as far as 2017. It is a historical reference at best, and the issues identified in the Irish Times article have occurred later.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

You don't understand what putting forward or nominating someone entails.

If FF/FG are a normal party, good.

This is an appointment to a State body. Are you saying that a party in government is free to appoint any of its members, without a competition, without a screening process and without advertising the position, to a State body.

We don't do that down here anymore, because we don't make crony appointments like that. We have a process overseen by an independent body so political parties can't hand out jobs for the boys like jellybeans, as Sinn Fein are doing in the North.

#notanormalparty

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

It is indeed. It's almost like they are two different jurisdictions.
You remember us discussing this before though right? You not willing to accept figures from the 'charity industry' when you didn't like them. Now that you are you are told time and again it relates to Covid. Then you speak on them dropping, coincidentally, around the time former minister Murphy cooked the books, but they rose again anyway? Member family homelessness quadrupled over a six year period, when you didn't rate figures from the 'charity industry'?
Here's a link.

And some time will pass and you'll post these yarns again...

So the homelessness numbers are going down in the South because of Covid, but are going up in the North because of Covid.

Really?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

This is an appointment to a State body. Are you saying that a party in government is free to appoint any of its members, without a competition, without a screening process and without advertising the position, to a State body.

We don't do that down here anymore, because we don't make crony appointments like that. We have a process overseen by an independent body so political parties can't hand out jobs for the boys like jellybeans, as Sinn Fein are doing in the North.

#notanormalparty

Nominate. Listen Blanch, can you point to what rule they broke? It's my understanding the process followed is the norm. If they nominate doesn't that mean it's open to disagreement or other nominations? Either way it's not appointing is it? It's certainly not crony.

'we' certainly do. I do not believe you believe that.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

So the homelessness numbers are going down in the South because of Covid, but are going up in the North because of Covid.

Really?

I've no idea why they are going up in the north. I can only speak to what I've read and you and I have discussed.
It's just another case of you using the unfortunate to save face for FF/FG.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

I've no idea why they are going up in the north. I can only speak to what I've read and you and I have discussed.
It's just another case of you using the unfortunate to save face for FF/FG.

Covid is worse in the North than in the South, maybe it is because our government has looked after the homeless better during the crisis than the government in the North and that is why our figures are going the right way and theirs aren't?

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

What's the main substance of the post or point again?

We can wish away the large Unionist population in the North and we will all live among the Unicorns and Rainbows?
If it were only that simple.

Turns out,comprehension isnt a strong point of yours


Not happy with getting arse handed with facts and logic,yous resort to pettifogging and obstrusion to poorly cover,which only serves to highlight an extremely fragile ego

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Covid is worse in the North than in the South, maybe it is because our government has looked after the homeless better during the crisis than the government in the North and that is why our figures are going the right way and theirs aren't?

I don't know Blanch. What's your goal here? FF/FG/Greens are better than the alphabetti spaghetti power share overseen by Westminister? If so, so what?

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

isnt if we use the north homeless criteria,make ours like 140K or something??

That question has already been answered.

The figure for the North is 42k, the equivalent figure for the South is 68k, meaning that the problem is twice as bad in the North, given the relative populations.

grayzer75 wrote: »

So social housing waiting lists in the North = homelessness?

if we use the same metric then there are over 68,000 in the South:
https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/time-set-new-social-housing-target

But if you research homelessness in the North correctly you will see there has been no rise:
https://www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/homelessness-knowledge-hub/homelessness-monitor/northern-ireland/the-homelessness-monitor-northern-ireland-2020/

The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020
30.01.2020
The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020 is the third annual report of an independent study, funded by Crisis and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, of the homelessness impacts of recent economic and policy developments in Northern Ireland.

Key findings
The total number of homelessness presentations in Northern Ireland has been virtually static over the past few years, but Full Duty Applicant cases have been steadily rising, increasing by 26% since 2009/10.
There has been a perceived rise in rough sleeping in recent years. This perception is partly related to a visible increase in “street activity” including street begging and street drinking. Nevertheless, given the lack of any historical series it is difficult to judge whether rough sleeping in Northern Ireland is, in fact, changing in scale in any sustained way. Northern Ireland Housing Executive put the November 2018 number of rough sleepers across the jurisdiction at 38. Of these, 16 were in Belfast – up from only five a year earlier. Nonetheless, numbers of people rough sleeping in Northern Ireland remains relatively small in scale compared with other parts of the UK and with the Republic of Ireland.

blanch152 wrote: »

The figures you present only support my case.

If you are correct that the equivalent figure for the South is 68,000, when the figure in the North as quoted by the Irish Times is 42,665, then clearly, when you adjust for population, the problem in the North is running at twice the level of the South.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/number-on-social-housing-waiting-lists-in-north-rises-by-10-1.4482407

Finally, the report you reference, while entitled "The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020", uses data from 2019 at the latest, with some of the data only going as far as 2017. It is a historical reference at best, and the issues identified in the Irish Times article have occurred later.

blanch152

James Brown wrote: »

I don't know Blanch. What's your goal here? FF/FG/Greens are better than the alphabetti spaghetti power share overseen by Westminister? If so, so what?

Not at all, James, this is the SF thread. If you go back through this and the previous thread, you will find several posters praising Sinn Fein and their housing policies in the North and how wonderful they are and that they should be copied by our government.

In that context, it is worth pointing out the homelessness figures to show that the emperor (SF) has no clothes (doesn't have a clue).

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Not at all, James, this is the SF thread. If you go back through this and the previous thread, you will find several posters praising Sinn Fein and their housing policies in the North and how wonderful they are and that they should be copied by our government.

In that context, it is worth pointing out the homelessness figures to show that the emperor (SF) has no clothes (doesn't have a clue).

You've made false claims like this before. I'll need a quote or two please.

I found this little nugget, it's a year old mind:

“Homelessness data from Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are not directly comparable due to significant legislative differences in approach,” is how the NIHE puts it.

....

A report entitled The Homelessness Monitor: Northern Ireland 2020, which was published last month by the UK homelessness charity Crisis, said this category was “unique to Northern Ireland”, and could involve issues of affordability, property unfitness levels, unsuitability for needs or severe overcrowding.

This, it said, “significantly contributes to the historically high recorded incidence of statutory homelessness in Northern Ireland”.

In the Republic of Ireland, official homeless statistics record only the number of people in temporary accommodation.

Basically the article calls out Varadkar lying about homeless rates up north to try deflect from the south's, if you can believe that....

RandomViewer

James Brown wrote: »

You've made false claims like this before. I'll need a quote or two please.

I found this little nugget, it's a year old mind:



Basically the article calls out Varadkar lying about homeless rates up north to try deflect from the south's, if you can believe that....

If we use ROI measurement methods theres 3k homeless in the North which would mean if we use NI measurement in the Republic theres 35k homeless

CrazyFather1

James Brown wrote: »

You've made false claims like this before. I'll need a quote or two please.

I found this little nugget, it's a year old mind:



Basically the article calls out Varadkar lying about homeless rates up north to try deflect from the south's, if you can believe that....

So basically the North says they have a very unique system which nobody else can compare to, so they are doing a good job.

Sound a bit dodgy to you?
I would love to see the posts on here is the Irish government tried to pull that one

RandomViewer

https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-northern-ireland-varadkar-4992863-Feb2020/

Pretty easy to compare,

smurgen

Fair play to Mary Lou McDonald and the other TD's that turned down the increase and out it back into the exchequer. It's a show of solidarity like this at a time when people are facing hardship this sort of gestures with help people regain confidence in politicians.

https://twitter.com/MaryLouMcDonald/status/1360583082215145477?s=19

tikkahunter

smurgen wrote: »

Fair play to Mary Lou McDonald and the other TD's that turned down the increase and out it back into the exchequer. It's a show of solidarity like this at a time when people are facing hardship this sort of gestures with help people regain confidence in politicians.

https://twitter.com/MaryLouMcDonald/status/1360583082215145477?s=19

She will make it back in expenses

smurgen

tikkahunter wrote: »

She will make it back in expenses

How does this expense policy work? Have any back up to support this claim?

jh79

smurgen wrote: »

Fair play to Mary Lou McDonald and the other TD's that turned down the increase and out it back into the exchequer. It's a show of solidarity like this at a time when people are facing hardship this sort of gestures with help people regain confidence in politicians.

https://twitter.com/MaryLouMcDonald/status/1360583082215145477?s=19

I'd prefer it if she committed to ending increments than this pointless gesture.

votecounts

Has any other Parties/ Independents offered to give back these raises. The rise seems in bad taste given the high level of people on PUP or reduced hours.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

The figure for the North is 42k, the equivalent figure for the South is 68k, meaning that the problem is twice as bad in the North, given the relative populations.

And again,if you apply same criteria in south as the north.....isnt our figure about 140K



Like beat around the bush,all yous want,looks obvious to me,we are teertering upon diaster on the homeless front and hiding behind criteria/definition to coverup our figures,seems to me right up ffg street,

Same as they covered up corona outbreaks in schools,to.an extent it has now poisiones industrial relations with teaching unions......only in ireland would this be regarded as a political sucess

a very cool kid

smurgen wrote: »

Fair play to Mary Lou McDonald and the other TD's that turned down the increase and out it back into the exchequer. It's a show of solidarity like this at a time when people are facing hardship this sort of gestures with help people regain confidence in politicians.

https://twitter.com/MaryLouMcDonald/status/1360583082215145477?s=19

https://twitter.com/Wardy1916/status/1309059600243716098?s=19


https://twitter.com/WWinters_/status/1321093718255034371?s=19