The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

FrancieBrady

IAmTheReign wrote: »

No the objection was that public land was going to be sold to a private developer and some of it would be used to build private housing. At no point was there any discussion about the plan itself. Sinn Fein appear to have collective amnesia that the plan to sell the land to a private developer came from them.

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I was talking about the Charlestown development.

I have no issue selling to private developers as long as it it sustainable and proper planning. If that isn't there then no problem objecting down the line. Planning is a process, you don't sign up and support it whatever happens during the process. You CAN change your mind.

blanch152

IAmTheReign wrote: »

This argument again? SF were all for giving over land to private developers as an incentive to build when they ran Dublin city council. It's bad enough that they go on about the housing crisis while blocking developments, it's a whole other level that they're now getting away with torpedoing developments they pushed for!

This was how they felt in 2017;



But in 2020 the plan they pushed for isn't good enough anymore;



They also tried, but failed, to stop the development at O'Devaney Gardens;

SF's hypocrisy on the housing issue would be nauseating in normal times. With the current issues, it is beyond despicable.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

SF's hypocrisy on the housing issue would be nauseating in normal times. With the current issues, it is beyond despicable.

Surely the nauseating thing is that a 'housing crisis' exists at all in, how do you put it?....one of the 'best places to live on the planet'.

starkid

there's a global housing crisis.The world is facing a housing affordability crisis. House prices are currently more than three times median family income – the standard definition of ‘unaffordable’ – in more than 90% of 502 international cities.

Homeownership rates are collapsing amongst younger cohorts with profound consequences for wealth and income inequality, with the young and low-income groups worst affected. Rents are also rising beyond incomes in many major cities where jobs are located as property has become an ever more desirable investment opportunity.

SF being able to fix housing is the greatest myth of our time. The fact they are playing both sides is despicable.

Larbre34

The above is absolutely correct.

A new model of semi-state run cooperative housing is needed, large apartments for whole of life needs with excellent facilities and proper planning. This by necessity will need private sector partnership but marxist SF don't like that.

At the same time it is time for housing to become State and Community led again, not developer led and FG and FF will need to step up to their responsibilities too.

FrancieBrady

starkid wrote: »

there's a global housing crisis.The world is facing a housing affordability crisis.

Didn't we hear similar excuses after the financial collapse...the whole world was in financial meltdown, stop looking at what was done here. :rolleyes:

starkid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't we hear similar excuses after the financial collapse...the whole world was in financial meltdown, stop looking at what was done here. :rolleyes:

yeah it doesn't alter the fact.s i;m not arguing nothing can be done, but its disingenuous pretending you have it all figured out. And then having the balls to object to housing and other plans etc. One or the other fine, yeah. But its so clearly a political ploy and i'm guessing will spectacularly backfire on SF soon enough.

SF won't be able to solve some of this, much of it is round pegs in square holes stuff. EOB can laud the collapse of projects in the Docklands all he wants. The reality is over 7k new jobs will be there quite shortly.

starkid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Didn't we hear similar excuses after the financial collapse...the whole world was in financial meltdown, stop looking at what was done here. :rolleyes:

yeah it doesn't alter the fact.s i;m not arguing nothing can be done, but its disingenuous pretending you have it all figured out. And then having the balls to object to housing and other plans etc. One or the other fine, yeah. But its so clearly a political ploy and i'm guessing will spectacularly backfire on SF soon enough.

EOB can applaud the collapse of docklands projects all he wants. The reality is over 7k new jobs going into that area quite shortly. They will live where exactly?

MAny of us on here are sure that SF won't solve anything. I;m as sure of that as i am of my aethiesm. I'd literally stake my life on that fact. I'm not saying they won't try. They will of course. But they'll utimately fail due to alot of things outside of their control, as well as basic economics and politics.

We will need a collapse of capitalism and neo liberal policy, as well as most likely our tech hub to kickstart any fix to this reality. Google maps for instance shed hundred of jobs to tiktok. And those jobs get replaced abroad in a never ending cycle. Its one small part of it.

I work for one of the tech giants. People have no idea how they recruit and lose staff in some of their lesser operations. Its madness.

SF are really floundering but their followers don't see it. After not making any real effort to form a government they aren't a credible opposition, a joke of a party.

The sooner they get into government (big IF of course) the better, they'll fall on the sword of power quite quickly and then we can move forward with less noise from the sinners.

jimmycrackcorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sounds to me from reading the objectors opinions that the developers are unbelievably proposing to repeat the mistakes of places like Ballymun - brilliant in conception but disastrous in reality because of the issues pointed out by the objectors.

The housing crisis s not a charter to repeat the mistakes of bad planning.

I think it is more accurate to say that it sounds to me like Sinn Fein is objecting to developments to perpetuate the housing crisis and blame the government.

With today's announcement about the changes to the property tax, Eoin O'Broin has come out to say that it should be dropped altogether, despite it being a core taxation method in all socialist countries in Europe.

Clearly SF is not a left-leaning party, but a populist party.

Larbre34

It is both populist and left wing, really. A slightly more self aware version of Chavez/Maduro.

FrancieBrady

All this look over there Shinister chat about housing...was there a poll showing the electorate trust the Shinners on housing more than anyone else or something?

SmokyMo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All this look over there Shinister chat about housing...was there a poll showing the electorate trust the Shinners on housing more than anyone else or something?

Didn't Leo say recently that even his own voters trust SF more on housing than his own party and he needs to address that?

FrancieBrady

SmokyMo wrote: »

Didn't Leo say recently that even his own voters trust SF more on housing than his own party and he needs to address that?

Leo is trying to set up Dublin Bay Sourh as a fight between FG and SF. Knowing full well FG should be a shoe in there.

nigeldaniel

SF take on the housing issues are completely popularization and not remotely workable. They know it too but the advantage off been in opposition is you can talk naff all day long and get away with it. When it come to actually getting things done you will find that FF and FG are currently doing their best.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All this look over there Shinister chat about housing...was there a poll showing the electorate trust the Shinners on housing more than anyone else or something?

Well yes, posters are pointing to the very Shinnister way that people like O'Broin are talking out of both sides of their mouth on the issue. He has got away with it to date but people are beginning to see through it.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Well yes, posters are pointing to the very Shinnister way that people like O'Broin are talking out of both sides of their mouth on the issue. He has got away with it to date but people are beginning to see through it.

Posters are pointing...that much is true.

Jinglejangle69

Honesty the best thing FF and FG could do now for the country and themselves is let the government collapse and let SF take the reigns.

They don't have the balls.

Opportunity missed.

Larbre34

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Honesty the best thing FF and FG could do now for the country and themselves is let the government collapse and let SF take the reigns.

They don't have the balls.

Opportunity missed.

How could Sinn Féin take the reigns?

Only a year ago, over a period of 5 months, they tried to entice coalition partners to join them and could not.

How would you propose they govern now, with 37 seats, 30 of which are occupied by morons?

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Honesty the best thing FF and FG could do now for the country and themselves is let the government collapse and let SF take the reigns.

They don't have the balls.

Opportunity missed.

A touch of the siege mentality in that post JJ.

markodaly

SmokyMo wrote: »

That is absolute nonsense that FG likes you to believe. Take a took a look at each of those objections and will be evident why.
The most common denominator is giving away public land with money attached to a private developer who then stands to make 10x on that dev while tax payer left to foot the bill?
No thank you. Engage some critical thinking please.

Public land is sold to a developer, who in turn build x number of houses and units in exchange, while the taxpayer also get x million for the land itself.....

Critical thinking is in short supply.

markodaly

blanch152 wrote: »

There is a clear pattern emerging of Sinn Fein on the ground frustrating every single initiative to provide housing. It is a deeply cynical political move, however, people are beginning to see through it.

Are people surprsied?

SF-dominated DCC objected to any and all developments when they held power for years. It was a ploy to put pressure on the central government.
What SF is doing now is just an escalation of this.

jimmycrackcorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo is trying to set up Dublin Bay Sourh as a fight between FG and SF. Knowing full well FG should be a shoe in there.

Unlike SF:

Mr O’Broin has characterised the upcoming by-election in Dublin Bay South as ‘a referendum on the Government’s failure to tackle the housing crisis’.

Be interesting then if FG does win the seat.

SF's constant objections to housing developments are simply going to be ammunition on the canvas rounds at the doorsteps for any points about housing.

FrancieBrady

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Unlike SF:

Mr O’Broin has characterised the upcoming by-election in Dublin Bay South as ‘a referendum on the Government’s failure to tackle the housing crisis’.

Be interesting then if FG does win the seat.

SF's constant objections to housing developments are simply going to be ammunition on the canvas rounds at the doorsteps for any points about housing.

Most by-elections are about the opposition v the government jimmy.

Varadkar is trying to make this a FG v SF one, so he can claim validation.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most by-elections are about the opposition v the government jimmy.

Varadkar is trying to make this a FG v SF one, so he can claim validation.

Seems like you are getting a bit nervous there Francie, trying to frame the narrative. Do you think SF won't do well or something?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Seems like you are getting a bit nervous there Francie, trying to frame the narrative. Do you think SF won't do well or something?

No idea.

It has never been a SF V FG game in that constituency.

We get it, Leo needs a win even a manufactured one will do.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No idea.

It has never been a SF V FG game in that constituency.

We get it, Leo needs a win even a manufactured one will do.

If the opposition can't take out the government now, they never will.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

If the opposition can't take out the government now, they never will.

Fair old rubbish. Setting the by-election up in order to gloat, like Leo is trying to do.

It isn't a shoot out between SF and FG.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fair old rubbish. Setting the by-election up in order to gloat, like Leo is trying to do.

It isn't a shoot out between SF and FG.

I don't think FG will win DBS,FF might
My bet is Ivana
Right level of distance from government and Righteous indignation combo this time for her,plus ameniability to the D4 set
Whoever wins it will gloat

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

I don't think FG will win DBS,FF might
My bet is Ivana
Right level of distance from government and Righteous indignation combo this time for her,plus ameniability to the D4 set
Whoever wins it will gloat

Yes, I think it will be between Bacik and Geoghegan myself.