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Loafing Oaf

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most by-elections are about the opposition v the government jimmy.

Varadkar is trying to make this a FG v SF one, so he can claim validation.

It's a dry run for the strategy at the next GE. He's pitching to those who would lean naturally to FF and the 'soft left' parties, telling them a vote for any of those parties is in effect a vote for SF (even if the voter doesn't actually transfer to SF).

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-says-its-secret-abu-voter-database-costs-just-482-a-year-to-run-40491238.html


"In correspondence to the Local Government Committee, the Sinn Féin TD said the development of the secret database was an “in-house project”.

“Therefore the costs of this project were internalised through the use of our existing staff and wages etc at our head office in Dublin,” Mr Ó Broin said."


O'Broin must think we are all fools. Does he not realise that the hole he is digging is getting deeper? He is effectively saying that Sinn Fein used a couple of admin people to set up a database replicating personal information about every voter in the country and that they had the relevant expertise in-house. People should really now be worried about the safety of the personal information that Sinn Fein have been gathering. If the HSE can have its data stolen with all the experts working for it, what chance have a couple of SF politicos of maintaining security?

jmcc

blanch152 wrote: »

O'Broin must think we are all fools.

Well, the article had a foam flecked quote from FG's noted database "expert" John Cummins. (Did someone tell him that FG uses the same hosting company?)

The 482 Euro per annum cost for a server sounds about right. That's the hosting cost. The development seems to have been done in-house by SF. It was funny to see the sheer Dunning Krugerisms in full flight in that article.

Regards...jmcc

FullyComp

jmcc wrote: »

Well, the article had a foam flecked quote from FG's noted database "expert" John Cummins. (Did someone tell him that FG uses the same hosting company?)

The 482 Euro per annum cost for a server sounds about right. That's the hosting cost. The development seems to have been done in-house by SF. It was funny to see the sheer Dunning Krugerisms in full flight in that article.

Regards...jmcc

So whats the justification in having a Stasi-esque database about every voter in Ireland?

blanch152

jmcc wrote: »

Well, the article had a foam flecked quote from FG's noted database "expert" John Cummins. (Did someone tell him that FG uses the same hosting company?)

The 482 Euro per annum cost for a server sounds about right. That's the hosting cost. The development seems to have been done in-house by SF. It was funny to see the sheer Dunning Krugerisms in full flight in that article.

Regards...jmcc

So, you believe that Sinn Fein have in-house IT security experts that can design and build a database of all voters in the country and secure from hackers?

The question I have is why would Sinn Fein have this kind of expertise in-house before the database was built?

FullyComp

I see the Provo Council are keeping up their aim of making sure that Lynn Boylan stays in a well paid job.

Has she ever held a job where she wasn't directly working for Sinn Fein or shoehorned into a taxpayer funded role by the party?

SmokyMo

blanch152 wrote: »

So, you believe that Sinn Fein have in-house IT security experts that can design and build a database of all voters in the country and secure from hackers?

The question I have is why would Sinn Fein have this kind of expertise in-house before the database was built?

It a basic requirement of any IT dev ops or infrastructure team. To be able to maintain a secure DB with DR scenarios and whatever availability they need to have.
There is nothing sinister here.

blanch152

SmokyMo wrote: »

It a basic requirement of any IT dev ops or infrastructure team. To be able to maintain a secure DB with DR scenarios and whatever availability they need to have.
There is nothing sinister here.

Well, when you have places like the HSE who can't defend against targetted IT attacks, and many others all over the world having gone down over the years, it is very strange that Sinn Fein have this bullet-proof and virus-proof database, accessible to all their members, built in-house and fully GDPR compliant.

Something doesn't add up.

padd b1975

blanch152 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Boylan#:~:text=Lynn%20Boylan%20(Irish%3A%20Lynn%20N%C3%AD,constituency%20from%202014%20to%202019.

To be fair to you, it does seem that Lynn was for a short time employed "as a coordinator for the Irish Wildlife Trust at Killarney National Park."

Tour guide?

blanch152

padd b1975 wrote: »

Tour guide?

Deer herder?

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Boylan#:~:text=Lynn%20Boylan%20(Irish%3A%20Lynn%20N%C3%AD,constituency%20from%202014%20to%202019.

To be fair to you, it does seem that Lynn was for a short time employed "as a coordinator for the Irish Wildlife Trust at Killarney National Park."

Her qualification is in Environmental Conservation Management from UCD. It looks like she worked for the Irish Wildlife Trust in Killarney National Park from

2005 to 2011 when she moved back to Dubln to work for Global Action Plan for Ballymun Regeneration Project. In 2014 she was elected an MEP.

jimmycrackcorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most by-elections are about the opposition v the government jimmy.

Varadkar is trying to make this a FG v SF one, so he can claim validation.

Fg are in government and SF are the opposition party. Unless you want to claim it's one FFG party.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No idea.

It has never been a SF V FG game in that constituency.

We get it, Leo needs a win even a manufactured one will do.

Eoin O Broin literally said it is a referendum on housing.

Necro

Cleaned up the thread a bit, please don't engage with the trolls folks. Cheers.

FrancieBrady

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Fg are in government and SF are the opposition party. Unless you want to claim it's one FFG party.



Eoin O Broin literally said it is a referendum on housing.

It is NOT between FG and SF though, which is how Leo (whom you can read like a book on this) is trying to set it up so that he can claim a win for FG.

jmcc

FullyComp wrote: »

So whats the justification in having a Stasi-esque database about every voter in Ireland?

You've got to stop thinking of the people in the media as having a clue about database design and website architecture. In terms of expertise, they are just marginally above talking monkeys when it comes to technology. It is, by all accounts, a relatively simple marketing database.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

blanch152 wrote: »

So, you believe that Sinn Fein have in-house IT security experts that can design and build a database of all voters in the country and secure from hackers?

I do not consider John Cummins to have a clue about technology or database and website design. He's a sort of goto for hissyfit quotes on the subject for the Sindo/Indo's Philip Ryan.

The schema for such a database, as described, is actually quite simple. For a professional, loading the data might take more time that designing the structure of the database. The real problem, from a database design viewpoint is not the structure of the database but the quality and integrity of the data being loaded. I provided a simplified explanation of what a database design would involve upthread. It is not a difficult thing to understand.

The question I have is why would Sinn Fein have this kind of expertise in-house before the database was built?

SF has websites that have to be continually updated and have to run election campaigns. It also, much like FG and FF, has its own membership databases that it has to continually update. That would require some knowledge of how to use databases and write some code for websites. Building such a website backed by a database is not extremely difficult. The most difficult aspect of the design would be scaling it for a large number of simultaneous users. There are some methods that can be used to deal with that. It may be more cost effective for SF to have employees with that expertise rather than outsourcing it.

Regards...jmcc

FullyComp

jmcc wrote: »

You've got to stop thinking of the people in the media as having a clue about database design and website architecture. In terms of expertise, they are just marginally above talking monkeys when it comes to technology. It is, by all accounts, a relatively simple marketing database.

Regards...jmcc

I couldn't give a toss about database design. Sinn Féin were holding onto data they shouldn't have been, it doesn't matter who else did it, what server they used etc. They held onto data that they shouldn't have and that's all there is to it.

jmcc

FullyComp wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss about database design. Sinn Féin were holding onto data they shouldn't have been, it doesn't matter who else did it, what server they used etc. They held onto data that they shouldn't have and that's all there is to it.

This, rather than your opinion, is what matters:

"Elected representatives, electoral candidates and political parties may use information from the Electoral Register for electoral purposes. With the consent of the individual, they may send electronic direct communications and collect information directly from the individual. Personal data must be used safely and transparently in accordance with the principles of data protection, and those using personal data must have appropriate policies and safeguards in place."

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/data-protection-and-canvassing

Regards...jmcc

FullyComp

jm08 wrote: »

Her qualification is in Environmental Conservation Management from UCD. It looks like she worked for the Irish Wildlife Trust in Killarney National Park from

2005 to 2011 when she moved back to Dubln to work for Global Action Plan for Ballymun Regeneration Project. In 2014 she was elected an MEP.

Was she not handed a job for the boys number in Safefood by the army council before she was brought back to Dublin?

StupidLikeAFox

jmcc wrote: »

This, rather than your opinion, is what matters:

"Elected representatives, electoral candidates and political parties may use information from the Electoral Register for electoral purposes. With the consent of the individual, they may send electronic direct communications and collect information directly from the individual. Personal data must be used safely and transparently in accordance with the principles of data protection, and those using personal data must have appropriate policies and safeguards in place."

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/data-protection-and-canvassing

Regards...jmcc

Going by that paragraph alone there are at least 5 things that sinn fein were doing wrong

jmcc

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Going by that paragraph alone there are at least 5 things that sinn fein were doing wrong

It has, apparently remedied those failings. The DPC is auditing all the parties.

Regards...jmcc

FullyComp

jmcc wrote: »

It has, apparently remedied those failings. The DPC is auditing all the parties.

Regards...jmcc

So they did use data incorrectly then? If we're clear on that can we just move on? Why the blatant deflection - no one cares about the technical ****e, they misused data. Why not hold your hands up, admit it and move on?

jmcc

FullyComp wrote: »

So they did use data incorrectly then? If we're clear on that can we just move on? Why the blatant deflection - no one cares about the technical ****e, they misused data. Why not hold your hands up, admit it and move on?

It is not my database or database design. Understanding the technical aspect is important moreso than relying on technologically ignorant people in the media. What hasn't been published is the database schema and examples of the data stored.

Regards...jmcc

FullyComp

jmcc wrote: »

It is not my database or database design. Understanding the technical aspect is important moreso than relying on technologically ignorant people in the media. What hasn't been published is the database schema and examples of the data stored.

Regards...jmcc

Nah this isn't the "look at how smart the guy with the moronic tagline is" thread. It's the Sinn Féin thread, if the party acted incorrectly we can discuss it in straight terms. What you're at is the equivalent of people who throw around the Greek letters when discussing financial derivatives to cloud the fact they're regular bets.

Be honest and keep it simple, they screwed up, they won't admit it and now we're worried about what else they have screwed up on or whether it was a deliberate course of action.

blanch152

FullyComp wrote: »

Was she not handed a job for the boys number in Safefood by the army council before she was brought back to Dublin?

Yes, indeed. Apparently, up in the North it is perfectly acceptable to appoint party cronies to every board going, something something parity of esteem being the excuse. But if anyone remotely connected with either FF or FG gets on a board down South, it is a complete scandal.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, indeed. Apparently, up in the North it is perfectly acceptable to appoint party cronies to every board going, something something parity of esteem being the excuse. But if anyone remotely connected with either FF or FG gets on a board down South, it is a complete scandal.

Must have missed all those 'complete scandals' as people were and are appointed to boards down here, all the time.

Your propensity to exaggerate Shinisteristically writ large in that one, again.

Surely it's a case that there is a scandal only when it is a 'crony' appointment with no apparent merit to it. Like anywhere really.

The 'army council' running Safefood appointments is a new one on me though.

SmokyMo

blanch152 wrote: »

Well, when you have places like the HSE who can't defend against targetted IT attacks, and many others all over the world having gone down over the years, it is very strange that Sinn Fein have this bullet-proof and virus-proof database, accessible to all their members, built in-house and fully GDPR compliant.

Something doesn't add up.

HSE was a **** show. I am surprised it took this long.

I work for MNC, good few years ago, Irish rail asked us to help them with their db systems. Now believe me when I tell you, I left their 'IT Office' with my jaw on the floor. Sheer incompetence and lack of professionalism was astounding. F'ck all best practices. Senior colleague kept laughing at me all the way back to the office. He said its quite common in Irish public service IT projects.

jm08

FullyComp wrote: »

Was she not handed a job for the boys number in Safefood by the army council before she was brought back to Dublin?

Not sure what you are getting at here. Any position on a State board like Safefood would probably entail a monthly meeting. Its not a fulltime job.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, indeed. Apparently, up in the North it is perfectly acceptable to appoint party cronies to every board going, something something parity of esteem being the excuse. But if anyone remotely connected with either FF or FG gets on a board down South, it is a complete scandal.

State boards in the south are stuffed to the gills with party supporters nominated by encumbent Government. And it is a scandal the way this operates down here.

blanch152

jmcc wrote: »

This, rather than your opinion, is what matters:

"Elected representatives, electoral candidates and political parties may use information from the Electoral Register for electoral purposes. With the consent of the individual, they may send electronic direct communications and collect information directly from the individual. Personal data must be used safely and transparently in accordance with the principles of data protection, and those using personal data must have appropriate policies and safeguards in place."

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/data-protection-and-canvassing

Regards...jmcc

See the bit in bold, don't remember them having time to ask for my consent when I slammed the door in their faces after disturbing me on a soccer night.