The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

starkid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is this going to be another backfire when it is revealed they all have issues with doing the same thing...like being GDPR compliant or favouring anonymous accounts to big them up? This guy doesn't look like a Shinner to me.

https://twitter.com/rosspmccarthy/status/1402541261052129280

ah yes some random lad with zero evidence is the proof we need.

Christ almighty.

Its hilarious seeing the whataboutery from SF supporters on here day in day out. Ah shure it was in the past. Well then so was all the other **** around all the other parties.

SF have been the ones caught out, and caught out now. Tough ****, no whataboutery will save them from disdain.

I'd imagine FF and FG probably have done the same or something like it. But thats not the story here. In a year where SF's central hidden backbone in places like Felons has been questioned, where the database has been uncovered, and now with the fake pollsters in the history, its hardly surprising to see the critics out. Thats your angle and your story. its hardly one thing ffs.

Bubbaclaus

Jakers, some incredible handwaving away going on in here.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is this going to be another backfire when it is revealed they all have issues with doing the same thing...like being GDPR compliant or favouring anonymous accounts to big them up? This guy doesn't look like a Shinner to me.

https://twitter.com/rosspmccarthy/status/1402541261052129280

Desperately searching Twitter for some nonentity to quote in defence of Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady

starkid wrote: »

ah yes some random lad with zero evidence is the proof we need.

Christ almighty.

Hardly a 'random lad'. Is the CEO @Sluamor. Chairman 2019-21 @isme_ie
Business & Biodiversity Advisory Board European Commission a 'random lad'?

Sorry to burst the bubble here starkid, but all info that emerges here is relevant.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Desperately searching Twitter for some nonentity to quote in defence of Sinn Fein.

You hate twitter when it answers back.

starkid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hardly a 'random lad'. Is the CEO @Sluamor. Chairman 2019-21 @isme_ie
Business & Biodiversity Advisory Board European Commission a 'random lad'?

Sorry to burst the bubble here starkid, but all info that emerges here is relevant.

eh so what? he's a political nobody in reality and he's provided zero evidence apart from his own anecdotal meanderings.

come back to me when either you or some twitter person has evidence.

for a non SF supporter you sure are desperate as well as persistent in their defence. do you ever take a day off?

I'll admit its not the biggest crime. The issue however has to be taken as part of a wider context which i've outlines. Critics like myself say SF has a lack of transparancy as well as clear tie ins to an outside organisation. Then on top of that you have the database, and then this. And finally we know SF would be the first to cry foul on anything like this. Leo the leak stuff a prime example. They might have moved out of the Rathgars and Blackrocks but the posh boys in SF live in some very thin glassed houses.

seamus

jm08 wrote: »

I see on twitter that this is from 10 years ago, so irrelevant under todays laws.

Data Protection laws existed ten years ago, just not GDPR.

FrancieBrady

starkid wrote: »

eh so what? he's a political nobody in reality and he's provided zero evidence apart from his own anecdotal meanderings.

come back to me when either you or some twitter person has evidence.

for a non SF supporter you sure are desperate as well as persistent in their defence. do you ever take a day off?

I'll admit its not the biggest crime. The issue however has to be taken as part of a wider context which i've outlines. Critics like myself say SF has a lack of transparancy as well as clear tie ins to an outside organisation. Then on top of that you have the database, and then this. And finally we know SF would be the first to cry foul on anything like this. Leo the leak stuff a prime example. The posh boys in SF live in some very thin glassed houses.

Lack of transparency? This was printed in a handbook handed out to people, viewable to anyone who came across a copy as Ryan has.

I am not a bit desperate - I have already voiced my opinion on this- it's silly, as anonymous accounts are silly ways of doing things.

Write off other people, random or otherwise, commenting on this...that is the very definition of handwaving.

Beta Ray Bill

Finty Lemon wrote: »

"Sinn Féin provided party members with fake ID badges and instructions on how to misrepresent themselves as pollsters to survey households before and during elections.

An internal training manual reveals how activists were given detailed instructions on how to pose as researchers working for a polling company to covertly question voters.

The 77-page document set out how Sinn Féin members should ask voters about their intentions under the guise of the “Irish Market Research Agency” (IMRA), which does not exist."
Did the council sanction this? Who sits on it? How does one get elected to it? Who is it accountable to? Most importantly, is it gender balanced?

Sinn Féin are getting so clever.
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are being left behind.

They're pulling in large amounts of data (across the board, not just surveys), and must have some serious data analysis engineers at the back.
Government can't get away with anything without SF catching them out and bringing it to the public attention.

They are definitely getting help from somewhere/someone. This is not the Sinn Fein from 10 years ago.

I actually don't think it matters that they got caught doing this, they'll argue that they wanted to know "what people really think"
We are in the information age, and SF seem to have all the Info (They're nearly corporate in their implementation of it). The rest haven't a clue.

zoobizoo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Could somebody explain what the great travesty is about this? Other than a kind of silly way to gather info that polling companies do all the time. There are explicit instructions to not put info with named people in the booklet.

Silly carry on from the Shinners if it is true.

Gaslighting at its finest.

Using language like 'silly' - no, it's not silly, so stop trying to downplay what is a serious matter.


It's dishonest.

It's underhand.

It's deceitful.

It's Sinn Fein all over.

piplip87

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1402520831650054145?s=19

They where told to tell people they where working with an INDEPENDENT COMPANY. This is wrong, this unethical. Again SF trying to justify lying to the electorate.

FrancieBrady

zoobizoo wrote: »

Gaslighting at its finest.

Using language like 'silly' - no, it's not silly, so stop trying to downplay what is a serious matter.


It's dishonest.

It's underhand.

It's deceitful.

It's Sinn Fein all over.

Or political parties 'all over'.

For me, on the scale of dishonesty, underhandedness or deceit that political parties here have engaged in, it is around the 'silly' mark, unless you can tell me how it is worse than some of the stuff that has gone on.

guy2231

Beta Ray Bill wrote: »

Sinn Féin are getting so clever.
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are being left behind.

They're pulling in large amounts of data (across the board, not just surveys), and must have some serious data analysis engineers at the back.
Government can't get away with anything without SF catching them out and bringing it to the public attention.

They are definitely getting help from somewhere/someone. This is not the Sinn Fein from 10 years ago.

I actually don't think it matters that they got caught doing this, they'll argue that they wanted to know "what people really think"
We are in the information age, and SF seem to have all the Info (They're nearly corporate in their implementation of it). The rest haven't a clue.

Seeing as though this is from ten years it looks like FF/FG/Indo have been desperately searching for something to get at Sinn Fein with, and this is the best they could find.

Must be disappointing for a lot of the people on this thread so they are also desperately trying to put a spin on it to make it sound a bit more interesting.

Sorry to break this to you lot but apart from the most avid haters of Sinn Fein nobody is going to care about this, it's such a minor story that if it was about FF/FG the indo wouldn't have even bothered reporting it.

starkid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lack of transparency? This was printed in a handbook handed out to people, viewable to anyone who came across a copy as Ryan has.

I am not a bit desperate - I have already voiced my opinion on this- it's silly, as anonymous accounts are silly ways of doing things.

Write off other people, random or otherwise, commenting on this...that is the very definition of handwaving.

ok lets pretend transparency was only related to this incident and not the other stuff.

its not silly. its dishonest, underhanded and hypocrtical.

jesus christ man its some bloke with zero evidence. so his word is gospel? as i;ve said its most likely it is true but until he has evidence its meaningless. unfortunately for sf its not just about this.

handwaving, gtfo with that. its part of a larger story which i've outlined.if it was isolated, yeah fair enough. but its not.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

Wow, just wow.

Sinn Fein campaigners are allowed lie to people because people would not give personal information to them if they knew who they were.

Do you understand how many ways this breaches Data Protection legislation? We are heading towards criminal behaviour. If this is true, the DPC may have to call in the Gardai.

The recent data protection legislation didn't come in until 2018, 3 years after this.


From the card I have seen, there is no name and no address for those who were asked who they intended to vote for.

piplip87

Now I'd wonder if there is a connection with IMRA and ABU ?

FrancieBrady

FG statement, just quoted on RTE is fabulous....'occasionally they have carried out polling without supervision of the pollsters'

Backfire has begun.

FrancieBrady

starkid wrote: »

ok lets pretend transparency was only related to this incident and not the other stuff.

its not silly. its dishonest, underhanded and hypocrtical.

jesus christ man its some bloke with zero evidence. so his word is gospel? as i;ve said its most likely it is true but until he has evidence its meaningless. unfortunately for sf its not just about this.

handwaving, gtfo with that stupid analogy. its part of a larger story which i've outlined.if it was isolated, yeah fair enough. but its not.

you're beyond help. as a longtime lurker i just get baffled by your line of thought. changing like the wind, reacting to whatever bs SF pull that week.

My reaction is at all times honest.

Every one of these things turns into a pile of rubbish it seems to me..SF caught doing what they all do in some form.

Try and see beyond the agendas. FG/FF and the political establishment are under threat- the purpose of this stuff is to make you the ordinary voter to feel 'under threat'.

guy2231

The indo really are getting desperate now aren't they, all these years of using innocent victims to further their agenda has worn thin.

starkid

guy2231 wrote: »

The indo really are getting desperate now aren't they, all these years of using innocent victims to further their agenda has worn thin.

better to have actually killed or supported killing the victims i suppose...

SF logic

on the weekend of Jerry McCabes anniversary you couldn't put it better why people like me despise SF

its actually a hilarious take.

piplip87

guy2231 wrote: »

The indo really are getting desperate now aren't they, all these years of using innocent victims to further their agenda has worn thin.

Sinn Fein have used the discrimination of Nationalists in the North, Victims of Bloody Sunday and other victims of the British State as a recruiting tool for decades so don't for a minute accuse anybody of using victims.

starkid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My reaction is at all times honest.

Every one of these things turns into a pile of rubbish it seems to me..SF caught doing what they all do in some form.

Try and see beyond the agendas. FG/FF and the political establishment are under threat- the purpose of this stuff is to make you the ordinary voter to feel 'under threat'.

you're clearly constantly being economical with the truth in regards your support and history of support. almost daily posts about SF. but sure you're not a die in the wool sf supporter. sure, sure.

i do and i don't need shills like you to tell me what to think. i have no political party and i am aware enough not to be unduly influenced by anything. yes clealry fg and ff are under threat. however its not like sf are coming from a normal environment. so i can see how them getting into government isn't a positive on many levels.

what part of i despise SF do you not get? it has nothing to do with anybody else or any ****ing establishment. you'll never convince me to look beyond killing women and children, or bombing pubs. so good luck trying. i don;t belive in republican nationalism. its romantic nonsense.

****ing hell, keep the tinfoil to yourself. again if SF were more open and honest then i'd be more inclined to listen. and before you say what do i mean. The day Gerry can admit to us the basic truth, well then thats a start.

zerosugarbuzz

blanch152 wrote: »

The ballot paper referenced by Ryan appears to be from the Meath East by-election of 2013, 8 years ago.

An interesting angle to take though, that because laws and society were different then, we should apply different standards now. However, it is only 8 years ago, not like comparing 1921 to 1971.

However, if any of that information is on the Abu database, then we are talking really serious breaches.

Oh for gods sake! Sinn Fein must be squeaky clean now if the media are going back this far so find something to throw at them. Won’t be long til we have to hear about that funeral in Belfast again.

jm08

starkid wrote: »

I'd imagine FF and FG probably have done the same or something like it. But thats not the story here. In a year where SF's central hidden backbone in places like Felons has been questioned, where the database has been uncovered, and now with the fake pollsters in the history, its hardly surprising to see the critics out. Thats your angle and your story. its hardly one thing ffs.

Seemingly they do, according to this person (who is Chairman of ISME, so not some randomer).

I can't answer for all but I've direct experience or knowledge of three including the two largest centre left parties FF & FG and they have used this approach to private polling for a very long time. I am sure there are some differences of emphasis and process but it's common.

https://twitter.com/rosspmccarthy/status/1402541261052129280

https://twitter.com/rosspmccarthy/status/1402541261052129280?s=20

jm08

starkid wrote: »

you're clearly constantly being economical with the truth in regards your support and history of support. almost daily posts about SF. but sure you're not a die in the wool sf supporter. sure, sure.

i do and i don't need shills like you to tell me what to think. i have no political party and i am aware enough not to be unduly influenced by anything. yes clealry fg and ff are under threat. however its not like sf are coming from a normal environment. so i can see how them getting into government isn't a positive on many levels.

what part of i despise SF do you not get? it has nothing to do with anybody else or any ****ing establishment. you'll never convince me to look beyond killing women and children, or bombing pubs. so good luck trying. i don;t belive in republican nationalism. its romantic nonsense.

****ing hell, keep the tinfoil to yourself. again if SF were more open and honest then i'd be more inclined to listen. and before you say what do i mean. The day Gerry can admit to us the basic truth, well then thats a start.

So, you are a fanatical anti Shin Feiner. The opposide side of the coin to the SF supporters.

starkid

jm08 wrote: »

Seemingly they do, according to this person (who is Chairman of ISME, so not some randomer).


https://twitter.com/rosspmccarthy/status/1402541261052129280

https://twitter.com/rosspmccarthy/status/1402541261052129280?s=20

yeah they prob do. i admit that.

but again its sf who's been caught out with a central database breaching gdpr etc while slinging constand **** from the sidelines.

jm08

piplip87 wrote: »

Sinn Fein have used the discrimination of Nationalists in the North, Victims of Bloody Sunday and other victims of the British State as a recruiting tool for decades so don't for a minute accuse anybody of using victims.

Except many Shin Feiners supporters are the victims of Bloody Sunday and the British State.


FFG supporters are not victims of discrimination in NI, or Bloody Sunday or the British State.

starkid

jm08 wrote: »

So, you are a fanatical anti Shin Feiner. The opposide side of the coin to the SF supporters.

i wouldn't say fanatical. I know SF supporters and people involved in SF. i just hate black and white nationalism and republicanism and hypocrisy.

When Sf become more open and honest, then maybe people like myself will be willing to listen.

So until that day then yes i will continue to oppose them.

aslo people are voting for them for all the wrong reasons, and SF are exploiting it (they're sole purpose is a united socialist ireland)

its not a big thing, they don't have enough to get into sole power. and the best thing that can happen is for them to get into some sort of government. if they don't we;re heading into a seriously toxic future. people will quickly realise it was all hot air. they'll be folding quicker than George Lee.

jm08

starkid wrote: »

yeah they prob do. i admit that.

but again its sf who's been caught out with a central database breaching gdpr etc while slinging constand **** from the sidelines.

Didn't FFG have to shut down a load of their websides because of this. They just had not centralised it, but they were in breach of the same rules as SF.

jm08

starkid wrote: »

i wouldn't say fanatical. I know SF supporters and people involved in SF. i just hate black and white nationalism and republicanism and hypocrisy.

When Sf become more open and honest, then maybe people like myself will be willing to listen.

So until that day then yes i will continue to oppose them.

aslo people are voting for them for all the wrong reasons, and SF are exploiting it (they're sole purpose is a united socialist ireland)

its not a big thing, they don't have enough to get into sole power. and the best thing that can happen is for them to get into some sort of government. if they don't we;re heading into a seriously toxic future. people will quickly realise it was all hot air. they'll be folding quicker than George Lee.

You sound fanatical to me. Even more fanatical than some of the SF supporters on here.