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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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    #662
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    The whole, "It was a war, so let's approach this like it's an academic question" wears thin. Its nothing more than a way for SF/PIRA to avoid responsibility and pass the buck, while they freewheel on to create more myths and avoid the blatantly obvious questions, as to why they had killed children and attempted to justify it for the cause.

    Oh, and the PIRA never unequivocally apologised for what they did and who they killed. That is a myth.




    Yea, for the insensitivity, but not the content. Classic SF alright.
    "We are sorry if you are offended, but not sorry that people died, Up Da RA!!"

    Why would somebdy who though the war was legitimate apologise mark?

    The electorate seem to me to be way ahead of you guys on this.

    You are not getting an apologetic capitulation. The public don't seem interested in FF/FG constantly looking for it.


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    #663
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Bringing things back to the present,
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40226633.html

    FF not getting any bounce


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    #664
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why would somebdy who though the war was legitimate apologise mark?

    Well, that is for SF/PIRA supporters and members to answer. If they think killing children is a legitimate way to get a UI (so why apologise?), then so be it. Of course, it makes them out to be a complete psychopath.

    You are not getting an apologetic capitulation. The public don't seem interested in FF/FG constantly looking for it.

    What about the victims? I guess they don't matter to SF/PIRA?


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    #665
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Well, that is for SF/PIRA supporters and members to answer. If they think killing children is a legitimate way to get a UI (so why apologise?), then so be it. Of course, it makes them out to be a complete psychopath.




    What about the victims? I guess they don't matter to SF/PIRA?

    What about the victims indeed. You do realise there are more than the victims of the IRA?

    They apologised for all the innocents they killed by the way. Currently various campaigners are getting apologies one by painful one from the British and Unionist/loyalists for the innocent victims their regime killed.


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    #666
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What about the victims indeed. You do realise there are more than the victims of the IRA?

    Of course, even though the PIRA killed more people than anyone else and more Nationalists/Catholics than anyone else, I do know there were other victims.

    However, the people responsible for them, are not asking me for a vote in the next election and treating people like idiots. Nor are their supporters online trying to whatabout or whitewash away their deads and actions, and sell us a myth full of lies and wishful academic thought exercises.
    They apologised for all the innocents they killed by the way. Currently various campaigners are getting apologies one by painful one from the British and Unionist/loyalists for the innocent victims their regime killed.

    Again, no they didn't unequivocally. But a nice attempt at a 'whatabout', which ties in my point about. When push comes to shove and there is nothing left to defend, the 'Whatbaout da Brits' card comes out.

    The Brits or Loyalists arent asking me to vote for them in the next election, SF are.


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    #667
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Of course, even though the PIRA killed more people than anyone else and more Nationalists/Catholics than anyone else, I do know there were other victims.

    However, the people responsible for them, are not asking me for a vote in the next election and treating people like idiots. Nor are their supporters online trying to whatabout or whitewash away their deads and actions, and sell us a myth full of lies and wishful academic thought exercises.

    I don't think they want a vote from someone like you mark.

    And it wasn't a killing competition either.


    Again, no they didn't unequivocally. But a nice attempt at a 'whatabout', which ties in my point about. When push comes to shove and there is nothing left to defend, the 'Whatbaout da Brits' card comes out.

    The Brits or Loyalists arent asking me to vote for them in the next election, SF are.

    They didn't use a form of words you wanted...yawn.

    Again...don't vote for them...I don't think they require 100%.


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    #668
    [Deleted User]
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    Michael martin is playing his same nonsemse as when he went claiming there was no bailout......quite how someone with such a poor grasp on reality is taoiseach is beyond me


    https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/peace/docs/ira160702.htm


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    #669
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    They didn't use a form of words you wanted...yawn.

    Again...don't vote for them...I don't they require 100%.

    As we know Francie, words matter, actions also matter.
    Their words fail to impress, and their actions have been absent and conspicuous.


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    #670
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Michael martin is playing his same nonsemse as when he went claiming there was no bailout......quite how someone with such a poor grasp on reality is taoiseach is beyond me


    https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/peace/docs/ira160702.htm

    It's a distraction from the utter embarrassment of being uninvited to the Whitehouse to give Joe the bowl of shamrock.


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    #671
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    As we know Francie, words matter, actions also matter.
    Their words fail to impress, and their actions have been absent and conspicuous.

    You are losing that argument with a growing number of the electorate mark.

    If FG FF keep it up, fair enough, on their own heads be it.


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    #672
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    markodaly wrote: »
    If SF/PIRA were serious hand over the names of the people involved in the Birmingham bombings that killed 21 innocent people. It may be a start.

    Martin was the Fianna Fáil ticket in Cork South-Central,Martin served on a number of Oireachtas committees, including those dealing with crime, finance and he was the Lord Mayor in '93. In his constituency is Bessborough with 900 babies buried on the grounds. It was open until '98. I don't think martin should open his mouth to be honest when it comes to victims. He shut his eyes to them and maybe even facilitated the abuse of women and children.


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    #673
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Michael martin is playing his same nonsemse as when he went claiming there was no bailout......quite how someone with such a poor grasp on reality is taoiseach is beyond me


    https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/peace/docs/ira160702.htm

    Haha, yea that was posted before. A lot of whataboutery in that.

    The most interesting thing about that though? It was signed by 'P O'Neill', the anonymous secret person(s) behind the IRA press releases.

    It says it all that the mealy-mouthed 'apology' was signed by some anonymous person.
    Want to apologise? Do it without equivocation, in public, with your face and name to it.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lets-end-the-pantomime-of-p-oneill-pleads-blair-25945370.html


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    #674
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    smurgen wrote: »
    Martin was the Fianna Fáil ticket in Cork South-Central,Martin served on a number of Oireachtas committees, including those dealing with crime, finance and he was the Lord Mayor in '93. In his constituency is Bessborough with 900 babies buried on the grounds. It was open until '98. I don't think martin should open his mouth to be honest when it comes to victims. He shut his eyes to them and maybe even facilitated the abuse of women and children.

    Oh go on, this is a SF thread but go on...


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    #675
    [Deleted User]
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    McMurphy wrote: »
    It's a distraction from the utter embarrassment of being uninvited to the Whitehouse to give Joe the bowl of shamrock.

    Has the look of a bruised ego,lashing out about it alright



    Though noone cares and tbh,i hope its end of the shamrock bowl tradition,its embarassing as a country to carry on that way (along with dragging dignatires to the guiness storehouse for a pint and photo op)....

    we have so much more as a country to offer....its time to start showing it


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    #676
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Haha, yea that was posted before. A lot of whataboutery in that.

    The most interesting thing about that though? It was signed by 'P O'Neill', the anonymous secret person(s) behind the IRA press releases.

    It says it all that the mealy-mouthed 'apology' was signed by some anonymous person.
    Want to apologise? Do it without equivocation, in public, with your face and name to it.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lets-end-the-pantomime-of-p-oneill-pleads-blair-25945370.html

    Jaysus...if you wanted a sign that no apology, unless it's utter capitulation would be enough.


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    #677
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    markodaly wrote: »
    Oh go on, this is a SF thread but go on...

    What ya mean go on? They were the government. They paid the home.he lived in the shadow of Bessborough and done nothing to intervene.gave a useless apology too.


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    #678
    [Deleted User]
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Haha, yea that was posted before. A lot of whataboutery in that.

    The most interesting thing about that though? It was signed by 'P O'Neill', the anonymous secret person(s) behind the IRA press releases.

    It says it all that the mealy-mouthed 'apology' was signed by some anonymous person.
    Want to apologise? Do it without equivocation, in public, with your face and name to it.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lets-end-the-pantomime-of-p-oneill-pleads-blair-25945370.html

    all ira statements were signed p oneill??

    Are we to belive then,that you dont think ira ceasefires announcements count and the brits,in your view,cheerily negociated with an ira still active againest them?




    Looks in reality to me,you didnt know about this statement and told micheal martin at his word,now in place of admitting mistake,your complaining about spurious issues....


    If yous were honest in wanting an apology and admission of wrong,that statement geos far beyond what was necessary and shows infinite more acceptance of responsibility,than the british (or irish state)have done as regards their role in the troubles


    Have the british ever acknowledged,grief,pain and suffering of relatives of ira members killed?? (Or any inncents they killed/help to kill outside of bloody sunday victims)


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    #679
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Jaysus...if you wanted a sign that no apology, unless it's utter capitulation would be enough.

    Nah, just an unequivocal apology with your real, not made up name attached. Would be a start anyway.


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    #680
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Nah, just an unequivocal apology with your real, not made up name attached. Would be a start anyway.

    Yeh and then you'll be out canvassing for them.

    :):)


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    #681
    stefanovich
    Registered Users Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We're not getting these "go-getters" though....the vast majority of our TDs are county councillors,who have risen to their level of incompetence (hence why we have record number of ministerial advisors )


    Slash pay for all of them imo

    I don’t think 98 is a lot but I still think it is bad value. Especially as they expense everything anyway.


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    #682
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    smurgen wrote: »
    What ya mean go on? They were the government. They paid the home.he lived in the shadow of Bessborough and done nothing to intervene.gave a useless apology too.

    You made an accusation, a serious one at that, that he facilitated the abuse of woman and children.
    This means he directly interfered in the running of the home, in some way or shape.

    I can see why, in the SF thread you want to be talking about MM and FF and M&B homes, but go on, give us some proof.


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    #683
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yeh and then you'll be out canvassing for them.

    :):)

    Judging by their online presence, they have an army of willing disciples ready in the wings, so no need for me to be pounding the pavements.


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    #684
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,842 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Judging by their online presence, they have an army of willing disciples ready in the wings, so no need for me to be pounding the pavements.

    Which would be further proof FF and FG are losing the tired old argument.


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    #685
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    markodaly wrote: »
    You made an accusation, a serious one at that, that he facilitated the abuse of woman and children.
    This means he directly interfered in the running of the home, in some way or shape.

    I can see why, in the SF thread you want to be talking about MM and FF and M&B homes, but go on, give us some proof.

    Michael Martin is more closely linked to the Bessborough home than Mary Lou to the troubles.


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    #686
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    markodaly wrote: »
    Judging by their online presence, they have an army of willing disciples ready in the wings, so no need for me to be pounding the pavements.

    Going by the looks of the polls in today's paper/last election results, there's a sizable cohort of the electorate who don't care about the Ra mark, FFG are completely and utterly brain-dead and at nothing trying to bring it up time and time again.

    Dredge it all up again FFG, sure going by the last election, what could go wrong:D?


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    #687
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    smurgen wrote: »
    Michael Martin is more closely linked to the Bessborough home than Mary Lou to the troubles.

    Didn't answer the question, again.

    Says it all. :pac:


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    #688
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    smurgen wrote: »
    Michael Martin is more closely linked to the Bessborough home than Mary Lou to the troubles.

    She was in FF for the most part.


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    #689
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    She was in FF for the most part.

    In cork south central? Where Bessborough is?


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    #690
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    markodaly wrote: »
    Didn't answer the question, again.

    Says it all. :pac:

    What do you mean? They were the government and they were financing the homes. It's like saying government weren't involved in direct provision.


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    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    smurgen wrote: »
    In cork south central? Where Bessborough is?

    Mostly around leafy Ranelagh where she's from I'd imagine.


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