The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

CrazyFather1

RandomViewer wrote: »

I blame Covid, he'd be ranting at the end of the bar if they were open,

Don't worry mate, still trying to tell everyone that people working in MNC would be better on the social :P

McMurphy

RandomViewer wrote: »

I blame Covid, he'd be ranting at the end of the bar if they were open,

BTownB

I notice Sinn Fein are mentioning Zero Covid less and less.
The appetitie for longer, harder lockdowns amongst the public is decreasing.

blanch152

BTownB wrote: »

I notice Sinn Fein are mentioning Zero Covid less and less.
The appetitie for longer, harder lockdowns amongst the public is decreasing.

They have swung from one extreme to the other for the last year, making no sense at all, only opposing for the sake of opposing.

CrazyFather1

blanch152 wrote: »

They have swung from one extreme to the other for the last year, making no sense at all, only opposing for the sake of opposing.

It's all noise. None of it makes sense. In a few days we will have Mary Lou on the TV shouting for the pubs to be open again

Natterjack from Kerry

blanch152 wrote: »

They have swung from one extreme to the other for the last year, making no sense at all, only opposing for the sake of opposing.

SF knows that media time never turns down those wishing to counter the government, so it guarantees them air time. It has been well established that they dont actually have policies, but have to wait for government decisions to know what line to take - the opposite one. Seem people fall for this game. Others realise they will simply say anything if it furthers their goal of a united Ireland through such a strategy, being followed as an alternative to the violent one at them moment.

James Brown

markodaly wrote: »

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Flounder away with more fallacies if you want.

You said Collins' IRA was more restrained. You said he knew middle Ireland wouldn't like the violence.
There was a massacre in Kerry were prisoners were tied to a landmine and any who survived were machine gunned. There were several assassinations. All these under Collins' leadership.
That's it. You keep responding with made up interpretations based on you wanting to have a little rant about the 'RA.

On current affairs the latest government scam regarding 'affordable housing' will drive up pricing as stated by the public accounts committee, the ERSI and O'Broin from the shinners.

James Brown

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

SF knows that media time never turns down those wishing to counter the government, so it guarantees them air time. It has been well established that they dont actually have policies, but have to wait for government decisions to know what line to take - the opposite one. Seem people fall for this game. Others realise they will simply say anything if it furthers their goal of a united Ireland through such a strategy, being followed as an alternative to the violent one at them moment.

Nobody buys this dismissive bull****. FF/FG must stand on their own record and take accountability instead of ****(e)ing on about shinners under the bed.

UDAWINNER

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

For the issues that really matter, they are no alternative. They are simply Irish people. But the Irish voter is a rather simple minded beast, and always thinks switching governments will improve his lot. After a hundred years of it, he still hasnt learned. SF has no solution - if anything, it is a threat to the state, controlled from abroad, and as a violence and terrorism endorsing party, unacceptable to the civilised voter. Those voting for it, are broadly the same people whose vote has ebbed in and out of Labour for decades. So SF is comprised of the same people - its just a rebranding with added stench of semtex. But some people buy such snake oil.

with bs like this, you should be workng in the FFG media dept, you know the crowd that can't go one day without a screw up.

Brendan Bendar

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

SF knows that media time never turns down those wishing to counter the government, so it guarantees them air time. It has been well established that they dont actually have policies, but have to wait for government decisions to know what line to take - the opposite one. Seem people fall for this game. Others realise they will simply say anything if it furthers their goal of a united Ireland through such a strategy, being followed as an alternative to the violent one at them moment.

Spot on Natther.

RandomViewer

James Brown wrote: »

Nobody buys this dismissive bull****. FF/FG must stand on their own record and take accountability instead of ****(e)ing on about shinners under the bed.

Mother and baby homes fiasco has shown a new generation the inherent cruelty of FF/FG, their attempts to silence victims and destroy evidence shows them up,
Also their reluctance to control Covid outbreaks in the meat industry would smell of corruption

a very cool kid

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

This factually incorrect. SF has NO mandate. It is as nonsensical as the SF self delusion, or effort to hoodwink people, after the last election they had 'won' the election, despite not having a majority, being the largest elected party, or forming part of the government. Those elected to form the government have the mandate to govern.

Sinn Féin didn't make any more than a token attempt to form a government the last time. Much easier to take the free state shilling on the oppo benches. Get some lovely expenses to pay the party mortgages as well.

jh79

RandomViewer wrote: »

Mother and baby homes fiasco has shown a new generation the inherent cruelty of FF/FG, their attempts to silence victims and destroy evidence shows them up,
Also their reluctance to control Covid outbreaks in the meat industry would smell of corruption

If the Mother and Baby Home scandal was your reason to change party you'd hardly choose SF! Adams protected a pedophile , they let "Good Republicans" rape children, planted bombs knowing children were likely to be killed and used minors for riots.

RandomViewer

jh79 wrote: »

If the Mother and Baby Home scandal was your reason to change party you'd hardly choose SF! Adams protected a pedophile , they let "Good Republicans" rape children, planted bombs knowing children were likely to be killed and used minors for riots.

Adams did and so did Noonan, FF and FG let all sorts go on in those homes and the panic to cover it up suggests there is a lot more to come, DUP, FGs best buddy were quite happy to have their party members throwing excrement at school children at Holy Cross, FG have as much blood if not more on their hands if you add in them knowingly infecting people with HepC

jaffusmax

Sinn Fein is just Sean Gallagher on a larger more organised scale. Opportunists of the highest order!

How could they possibly have the talent and capabilities to solve all Ireland woes whereas much bigger and powerful nations are struggling.

James Brown

jh79 wrote: »

If the Mother and Baby Home scandal was your reason to change party you'd hardly choose SF! Adams protected a pedophile , they let "Good Republicans" rape children, planted bombs knowing children were likely to be killed and used minors for riots.

It's not comparable. FF/FG/church abused, neglected leading to death women and children on an industrial level for many decades, selling babies in the process.
FF have done far worse that Adams is accussed of.
And yes the IRA were no angels. Such is conflict.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

Mother and baby homes fiasco has shown a new generation the inherent cruelty of FF/FG, their attempts to silence victims and destroy evidence shows them up,

Independent Commission decides something, and it is all FF/FG fault. Is that how Sinn Fein would behave? Interfere with all independent processes?

RandomViewer wrote: »

Also their reluctance to control Covid outbreaks in the meat industry would smell of corruption

So you would prefer to let people starve? Do you realise how silly that is?


Hang on, why are we talking again about FF/FG in the SF thread? Is there something to hide.

UDAWINNER

jaffusmax wrote: »

Sinn Fein is just Sean Gallagher on a larger more organised scale. Opportunists of the highest order!

How could they possibly have the talent and capabilities to solve all Ireland woes whereas much bigger and powerful nations are struggling.

Bringing up a FF Bagman to have a pop at SF, very wise move:)

UDAWINNER

a very cool kid wrote: »

Sinn Féin didn't make any more than a token attempt to form a government the last time. Much easier to take the free state shilling on the oppo benches. Get some lovely expenses to pay the party mortgages as well.

BS, Did not simply have the numbers and FF and FG married to ensure they continued their run of chaos. Be intersting in the next election.

blanch152

RandomViewer wrote: »

Adams did and so did Noonan, FF and FG let all sorts go on in those homes and the panic to cover it up suggests there is a lot more to come, DUP, FGs best buddy were quite happy to have their party members throwing excrement at school children at Holy Cross, FG have as much blood if not more on their hands if you add in them knowingly infecting people with HepC

James Brown wrote: »

It's not comparable. FF/FG/church abused, neglected leading to death women and children on an industrial level for many decades, selling babies in the process.
FF have done far worse that Adams is accussed of.
And yes the IRA were no angels. Such is conflict.

The lengths that people will go to to explain away Gerry Adams' role in protecting pedophiles is incredible. Not a single word of condemnation from them for his actions in the cases of Aine Adams, Mairia Cahill and Paudie McGahon. Real people, real situations where Adams let himself and his party down badly, yet all you get is ignorant whataboutery.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Instead of staying silent and dignified, you open your mouths to let the world know what you are and what sort of stuff you are willing to defend.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely the ruc,whom refused to investigate adams brother should have.qs to answer here?


Tell us again,who was in government that oversaw mother and baby homes and still to this day,oversee direct provision?

Defend Adams and switch to whataboutery, par for the course.

Adams was a disgrace, his actions on this issue were horrific.

As I said before I met the man on one or two occasions and there was something off about him, no empathy, no soul.

McMurphy

Blanch "met a man" who was once the leader of a political party he has literally thousands of posts castigating both him, and the party itself, and he "thought there was something off" about him.


Coming up after the break.


Scientists in Belturbet discover water is wet.

UDAWINNER

blanch152 wrote: »

Defend Adams and switch to whataboutery, par for the course.

Adams was a disgrace, his actions on this issue were horrific.

As I said before I met the man on one or two occasions and there was something off about him, no empathy, no soul.

bey he was a big fan of yours:D

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

The lengths that people will go to to explain away Gerry Adams' role in protecting pedophiles is incredible. Not a single word of condemnation from them for his actions in the cases of Aine Adams, Mairia Cahill and Paudie McGahon. Real people, real situations where Adams let himself and his party down badly, yet all you get is ignorant whataboutery.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Instead of staying silent and dignified, you open your mouths to let the world know what you are and what sort of stuff you are willing to defend.

You left out Noonan, how is he different?

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

The lengths that people will go to to explain away Gerry Adams' role in protecting pedophiles is incredible. Not a single word of condemnation from them for his actions in the cases of Aine Adams, Mairia Cahill and Paudie McGahon. Real people, real situations where Adams let himself and his party down badly, yet all you get is ignorant whataboutery.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Instead of staying silent and dignified, you open your mouths to let the world know what you are and what sort of stuff you are willing to defend.

More dishonesty off you.
Didn't explain away anything. Didnt defend anything. A comparison was made and rebutted.
You cannot compare Adams allegedly covering for his brother and putting it on SF with the industrial abuse over decades metered out under FF/FG/church.
Your comment here and twisting is whats shameful. Not beyond you to use victims for a win. Are you paying Maria Cahill royalties for using her name so much? The woman is more than a victim to be used when convenient. She was (is?) a dissident/senator, but you're only interested in using her as a victim.

Natterjack from Kerry

James Brown wrote: »

the industrial abuse over decades metered out under FF/FG/church. Your comment here and twisting is whats shameful.

You're conflating FF/FG/church with decades of industrial abuse is whats shameful. It was caused by the Irish people as a whole. FF and FG were reflective of the views, attitudes, and will of the the people at that time. They have no case to answer, despite the platitudinous sorrys offered, but that is simply to satisfy the modern public's demand for one and feel absolved of their guilt. The church has more to answer for alright - but it is a neutered and insignificant force now.

CrazyFather1

blanch152 wrote: »

Defend Adams and switch to whataboutery, par for the course.

Adams was a disgrace, his actions on this issue were horrific.

As I said before I met the man on one or two occasions and there was something off about him, no empathy, no soul.

Adams is a disgrace still to this very day yet we have SF rolling him out at every chance. Any other political party would have kick him out and never gone near him again. Not for SF, fits right in

FrancieBrady

James Brown wrote: »

More dishonesty off you.
Didn't explain away anything. Didnt defend anything. A comparison was made and rebutted.
You cannot compare Adams allegedly covering for his brother and putting it on SF with the industrial abuse over decades metered out under FF/FG/church.
Your comment here and twisting is whats shameful. Not beyond you to use victims for a win. Are you paying Maria Cahill royalties for using her name so much? The woman is more than a victim to be used when convenient. She was (is?) a dissident/senator, but you're only interested in using her as a victim.

Shameful use of selective victims again.
The further we move away from the beginning of the peace process the more I can see the pivotal role Adams played.
Where would we be without McGuinness and Adams? I don't think we'd have the GFA tbh.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Shameful use of selective victims again.
The further we move away from the beginning of the peace process the more I can see the pivotal role Adams played.
Where would we be without McGuinness and Adams? I don't think we'd have the GFA tbh.

Francie, are you excusing what Adams did because of the role he played in the GFA?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Francie, are you excusing what Adams did because of the role he played in the GFA?

Adams held his hand up about the mistakes he made in a difficult family situation. He accepted he made those mistakes and apologised.

Not sure what he was supposed to do about allegations he strenuously denied in the Cahill and McGahon situation. How he became the main wrongdoer there and the alleged abuser (who turned up to defend himself BTW) walked away speaks of the warped sense of justice among the 'Get Gerry' crowd.