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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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    #1712
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Mairia Cahill's kangaroo court appearance took place in 2000/01.

    Cahill didn't trust the RUC blanch, IRA sympathisers and RNU members typically didn't. Why do you ignore this contextual stuff? It's tedious at this stage.


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    #1713
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    Who gives a **** it's a set of flags,

    you obviously dont give a **** about the complaints the unionists have in that the article blanch152 linked to. good for you!


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    #1714
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Cahill didn't trust the RUC blanch, IRA sympathisers and RNU members typically didn't. Why do you ignore this contextual stuff? It's tedious at this stage.

    I have no issue with a frightened teenager raped by a terrorist not wanting to go to the RUC. That I can understand but not necessarily agree with.

    What I do have a huge issue with are the actions of the adults around her, all leading lights in Sinn Fein and the PIRA. There is no excuse for them, no understanding necessary, just revulsion at the way they treated that poor girl.

    If you have a problem with that, well I leave it there.


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    #1715
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I have no issue with a frightened teenager raped by a terrorist not wanting to go to the RUC. That I can understand but not necessarily agree with.

    What I do have a huge issue with are the actions of the adults around her, all leading lights in Sinn Fein and the PIRA. There is no excuse for them, no understanding necessary, just revulsion at the way they treated that poor girl.

    If you have a problem with that, well I leave it there.

    I have and expressed problems with how nationalists in general were abandoned with regatds to policing they could trust.
    Should never have happened.


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    #1716
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I have no issue with a frightened teenager raped by a terrorist not wanting to go to the RUC. That I can understand but not necessarily agree with.

    What I do have a huge issue with are the actions of the adults around her, all leading lights in Sinn Fein and the PIRA. There is no excuse for them, no understanding necessary, just revulsion at the way they treated that poor girl.

    If you have a problem with that, well I leave it there.

    Very commendable. If only you had the same feels for the mother and baby home survivors.


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    #1717
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I have exactly the same stance on this as I have about Gerry in the RA or British Army collusion in Dublin/Monaghan/Belturbet bombings = I don't know, and I am consistently careful to call these thing as what they are...allegations.

    She has made an allegation but as a democrat I cannot take that as proof of anything as there are other people's rights involved. Somebody who turned up at court to defend himself for instance, along with the other people allegations were made against.

    Ok, so you're happy to go with there not being collusion between the RUC and the Loyalist paramilitaries? Is that correct, you don't believe that happened?


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    #1718
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Possibly, but again the context should be front and centre. It was a long time after before nationalists could sign up to policing for NI.

    They could have reported it in the south....all Irish citizens


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    #1719
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    James Brown wrote: »
    Very commendable. If only you had the same feels for the mother and baby home survivors.

    What has that got to do with Maria Cahill? MC was this century and after the GFA. No excuse


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    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    Ok, so you're happy to go with there not being collusion between the RUC and the Loyalist paramilitaries? Is that correct, you don't believe that happened?

    That is not correct.


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    #1721
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    I also see Mary Lou was able to get her head out of the expenses trough for 2 minutes to whinge that she doesn't trust the government to roll out the vaccine. She still expects it done though.

    Someone should have told her that she won the election and made a better effort to form a government.

    On a side note don't make the vaccine here, if we went outside the EU to get it we wouldn't have a prayer up against bigger countries.


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    #1722
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    The anti bank sentiment SF have helped foster coming home to roost now too....the two privately owned Irish banks closing completely and closing branches...

    Guess who is whinging about less banks now? Pearse Doherty!


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    #1723
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    Ok, so you're happy to go with there not being collusion between the RUC and the Loyalist paramilitaries? Is that correct, you don't believe that happened?

    Have you read the Stevens Inquiries and the findings of the Police Ombudsperson Nuala O'Loin?

    The RUC is no more as a result. They found that there was collusion.


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    #1724
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,886 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    blanch152 wrote: »
    https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/03/news/sinn-fe-in-say-hunger-strike-poster-will-not-be-removed-after-unionist-complaints-2241898/content.html

    They really can't help themselves, can they? Finding new ways to antagonise the other side all the time.

    I see the Guardian are now reviewing all of Greenslade's articles following a complaint by Mairia Cahill. The slur on her character continually propogated by a few posters around here originated from his writing. When the retraction and apology comes from the Guardian, I suppose posters will line up to similarly apologise?
    whats to review? https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/oct/28/bbc-sinn-fein


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    #1725
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Have you read the Stevens Inquiries and the findings of the Police Ombudsperson Nuala O'Loin?

    The RUC is no more as a result. They found that there was collusion.

    But that wasn't in court was it? Where were all the prosecutions?


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    #1726
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    That is not correct.

    Exactly


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    #1727
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    But that wasn't in court was it? Where were all the prosecutions?

    Exactly.
    Do you understand a wee bit better why there might be no trust?


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    #1728
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Do you understand a wee bit better why there might be no trust?

    Whats that got to do with you not believing Maria Cahill?


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    #1729
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    Whats that got to do with you not believing Maria Cahill?

    Exactly, why did you ask me about it?


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    #1730
    a very cool kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭a very cool kid


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Exactly, why did you ask me about it?

    Don't answer a question with a question.

    What part of Maria Cahill's testimony do you think is bogus?

    Would you support criminal charges being brought against the sinn fein members involved if what she is saying is true?


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    #1731
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    Don't answer a question with a question.

    What part of Maria Cahill's testimony do you think is bogus?

    Would you support criminal charges being brought against the sinn fein members involved if what she is saying is true?

    Wha?

    Do you guys do any research?
    Charges were brought against 4 members who turned up at court to defend themselves and released correspondence showing that they did try to help her.

    P.S. YOU asked me a question about RUC collusion, I answered. When you couldn't dispute the answer you started whinging about ME going off topic. :):) Classic stuff. :)


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    #1732
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    a very cool kid wrote: »
    The anti bank sentiment SF have helped foster coming home to roost now too....the two privately owned Irish banks closing completely and closing branches...

    Guess who is whinging about less banks now? Pearse Doherty!

    what two banks


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    #1733
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    expectationlost wrote: »
    whats to review? https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/oct/28/bbc-sinn-fein

    That article was a disgraceful piece of nasty innuendo and nauseating homage to SF.


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    #1734
    Whatisthisnow
    Site Banned Posts: 301 ✭✭Whatisthisnow


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That article was a disgraceful piece of nasty innuendo and nauseating homage to SF.

    Haha


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    #1735
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I have no issue with a frightened teenager raped by a terrorist not wanting to go to the RUC. That I can understand but not necessarily agree with.

    What I do have a huge issue with are the actions of the adults around her, all leading lights in Sinn Fein and the PIRA. There is no excuse for them, no understanding necessary, just revulsion at the way they treated that poor girl.

    If you have a problem with that, well I leave it there.

    Thought it was her uncle in law?


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    #1736
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That article was a disgraceful piece of nasty innuendo and nauseating homage to SF.

    research eh ?

    written by a former member of the communist party who also secretly wrote for An Phoblacht,


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Greenslade


    In the British Journalism Review article Greenslade stated he had secretly and explicitly supported the IRA's bombing campaign since the early 1970s.[4][13] Following these disclosures, he resigned from his post as Honorary Visiting Professor at City, University of London


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    #1737
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That article was a disgraceful piece of nasty innuendo and nauseating homage to SF.

    Unfortunately, Sf have supporters and sleepers operating in every form of media going. It's routine for them to have back up stories on hand to counter any things the 'you know who' would view as unhelpful to them. It is a sad reflection as to where our society is going that so many still support this kind of politics.

    Dan.



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    #1738
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    nigeldaniel wrote: »
    Unfortunately, Sf have supporters and sleepers operating in every form of media going. It's routine for them to have back up stories on hand to counter any things the 'you know who' would view as unhelpful to them. It is a sad reflection as to where our society is going that so many still support this kind of politics.

    No pro FF FG GREEN etc journalists masquerading as neutral observers huh?

    :):)


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    #1739
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,886 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Sinn Féin taking action against Holohan after failure to remove Facebook post – Pearse Doherty https://www.independent.ie/podcasts/the-floating-voter/the-floating-voter-sinn-fein-taking-action-against-holohan-after-failure-to-remove-facebook-post-pearse-doherty-40163740.html
    “This fella made a comment, we told him that comment isn’t in keeping with the party’s view, we told him to withdraw it, he isn’t doing so, there’s a disciplinary procedure, the party will deal with that,” Mr Doherty told Independent.ie’s The Floating Voter podcast.


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    #1740
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,886 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Guardian has apologised because Greenslade did not declare this under the original article about the BBC Spotlight programme about Cahill "NB: I have written in the past for An Phoblacht" https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/oct/28/bbc-sinn-fein
    which he did in subsequent articles that mentioned Cahill https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/nov/03/irish-times-gerryadams https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/nov/12/controversial-bbc-programme-on-ira-case-shortlisted-for-award


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    #1741
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭jh79


    expectationlost wrote: »
    Sinn Féin taking action against Holohan after failure to remove Facebook post – Pearse Doherty https://www.independent.ie/podcasts/the-floating-voter/the-floating-voter-sinn-fein-taking-action-against-holohan-after-failure-to-remove-facebook-post-pearse-doherty-40163740.html

    If he goes Independent they'll lose a seat. Only reason he was let in and tolerated for so long in SF was his celebrity.

    Hopefully he doesn't join one of the far right parties


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