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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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    #1772
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    That is like say, we should excuse the Germans and their various atrocities committed in the 2nd World War, as 'Ah sure there was a war on' when the Germans themselves invaded Poland.

    The primary aggressors here were the PIRA. They were the major instigators of the conflict. That is just a fact.

    Those who fought the Germans have gotten over it mark. Germany has a full place at the international table.
    Are you one of those who still talks of The Hun and every German is a Nazi?


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    #1773
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Pira didn't exist in 1969, what the fuk have you been snotting?

    All the IRAs are the same. No need for arguing over which title they were using at a given time. In all cases, it was an attraction for the most despicable excuses for human beings - the weak of mind, the low of morals, with an added dollop of predilection for inflicting pain and distress on the lives of others.


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    #1774
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Pira didn't exist in 1969, what the fuk have you been snotting?
    The Provisional IRA emerged in December 1969, due to a split within the previous incarnation of the IRA and the broader Irish republican movement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
    You are welcome.


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    #1775
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    'War/conflict' here, is a euphemism for terrorism.

    Only one side ruled with terror... the other side fought back.

    ...but it’s all our fault for being invaded, how dare we fight back, we should have just accepted a sectarian statelet in the north, a living embodiment of how democracy doesn’t work when you’re not allowed a voice. That political vacuum was filled with violence as a result of British misrule and Irish political parties not giving a flying f*^k about the apartheid style state set up in the north... but again it’s our fault for fighting back.

    Take away the reasons for war and there is no war.


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    #1776
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Those who fought the Germans have gotten over it mark. Germany has a full place at the international table.
    Are you one of those who still talks of The Hun and every German is a Nazi?

    A weird statement.

    The Germans of today don't blame the Versailles Treaty as 'forcing' them into war like modern-day Irish Republicans push partition as forcing violent Irish Republicans into the conflict in the North.

    The Germans totally accept the blame for the Nazi's and the war the followed.
    Irish Republicans who support SF/PIRA have never accepted that they were the primary instigators of the conflict in the North.


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    #1777
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    A weird statement.

    The Germans of today don't blame the Versailles Treaty as 'forcing' them into war like modern-day Irish Republicans push partition as forcing violent Irish Republicans into the conflict in the North.

    The Germans totally accept the blame for the Nazi's and the war the followed.
    Irish Republicans who support SF/PIRA have never accepted that they were the primary instigators of the conflict in the North.

    Probably because they weren't.


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    #1778
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    markodaly wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
    You are welcome.

    When were the British army sent in,? Loyalism was the root of the troubles, denying people work ,housing and even the right to vote, FF armed the PIRA ,how can you sit in government with them?


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    #1779
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    All the IRAs are the same. No need for arguing over which title they were using at a given time. In all cases, it was an attraction for the most despicable excuses for human beings - the weak of mind, the low of morals, with an added dollop of predilection for inflicting pain and distress on the lives of others.

    So FG protested on the streets Saturday past, National Party are all FG gene pool


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    #1780
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    markodaly wrote: »
    Irish Republicans who support SF/PIRA have never accepted that they were the primary instigators of the conflict in the North.

    That is an insane statement.


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    #1781
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    That is an insane statement.

    mark's grasp of history has been proven not to be great. Some humdingers.


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    #1782
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    That is an insane statement.

    Its FG revisionism, they dont even recognise victims of Loyalism, lining up to get selfies with arch hypocrite Donaldson at the Ard Fheis, partysize hardons on the lor of them


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    #1783
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Pira didn't exist in 1969, what the fuk have you been snotting?

    and they don't exist now.


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    #1784
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Its FG revisionism, they dont even recognise victims of Loyalism, lining up to get selfies with arch hypocrite Donaldson at the Ard Fheis, partysize hardons on the lor of them

    I'm not affiliated but I somehow doubt that this is the official fg position.


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    #1785
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Probably because they weren't.

    Because it was all partitions fault.... :pac::rolleyes:


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    #1786
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    When were the British army sent in,?

    August 1969 with great fanfare and enthusiasm from the Nationalist population. Even the IRA was pleased at the time, but a core of them were humiliated that they had to rely on the BA to protect their own people.

    This is one of the core reasons for the split, the Official IRA didn't really want all-out war, but a chunk of them did and they wanted to try bomb and murder their way to a UI, thus enter the Provos...


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    #1787
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    That is an insane statement.

    @markodaly, any chance you could give us your train of thought that lead to that incredible statement?


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    #1788
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Because it was all partitions fault.... :pac::rolleyes:


    No mark...even your history of these forums is flawed.

    The reason for conflict/war on this island for the last 100 years is 'partition'. The 'fault' for violence is as always at the door of the participants.


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    #1789
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    markodaly wrote: »
    August 1969 with great fanfare and enthusiasm from the Nationalist population. Even the IRA was pleased at the time, but a core of them were humiliated that they had to rely on the BA to protect their own people.

    This is one of the core reasons for the split, the Official IRA didn't really want all-out war, but a chunk of them did and they wanted to try bomb and murder their way to a UI, thus enter the Provos...

    Giving control of the army to Stormont!! Jesus wept,
    Are FG supporters really brainwashed?


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    #1790
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    August 1969 with great fanfare and enthusiasm from the Nationalist population. Even the IRA was pleased at the time, but a core of them were humiliated that they had to rely on the BA to protect their own people.

    This is one of the core reasons for the split, the Official IRA didn't really want all-out war, but a chunk of them did and they wanted to try bomb and murder their way to a UI, thus enter the Provos...

    The BA showed within days...not weeks or months - that they were there to shore up the sectarian bigoted state with violence.

    You do not have the first clue of the actual history.


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    #1791
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No mark...even your history of these forums is flawed.

    The reason for conflict/war on this island for the last 100 years is 'partition'. The 'fault' for violence is as always at the door of the participants.

    Revisionism seems to be the FG way, sure their Harry Potter lookalike was blaming the Dublin/Monaghan bombings on the IRA, forgetting that the FG government at the time coluded with the UDA to get the bombers away


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    #1792
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,487 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Revisionism seems to be the FG way, sure their Harry Potter lookalike was blaming the Dublin/Monaghan bombings on the IRA, forgetting that the FG government at the time coluded with the UDA to get the bombers away

    Have you firm evidence of that........?


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    #1793
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Have you firm evidence of that........?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/damning-indictment-of-government-and-garda-but-collusion-is-unproven-1.399168


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    #1794
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,848 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/damning-indictment-of-government-and-garda-but-collusion-is-unproven-1.399168

    FG still offer a place of comfort for belligerent Unionism/Loyalism. They have no problem shunning nationalists who signed up to the GFA but have a real problem being brave enough to stand up to Unionism/Loyalism which didn't.
    Says it all.


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    #1795
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    FG still offer a place of comfort for belligerent Unionism/Loyalism. They have no problem shunning nationalists who signed up to the GFA but have a real problem being brave enough to stand up to Unionism/Loyalism which didn't.
    Says it all.

    Subservient mindset, dont think they are good enough to do things for themselves, always looking to their former masters for approval, thats why there have been so many weak FG Taoiseach, Cosgrave,Fitzgerald Bruton, all weedy little men bent at the knee to a long gone empire


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    #1796
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No mark...even your history of these forums is flawed.

    The reason for conflict/war on this island for the last 100 years is 'partition'. The 'fault' for violence is as always at the door of the participants.

    A line on a map is not a reason for a conflict/war - it is a cop-out to claim it is. It is excusing PIRA terrorists, men who disappear women, men who rape and abuse women, and men who bomb and kill women and children.

    There was no reason to the actions of the PIRA, there was no justification, there is no excuse for them.


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    #1797
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The reason for conflict/war on this island for the last 100 years is 'partition'. The 'fault' for violence is as always at the door of the participants.

    And as I keep saying, partition was implemented for a reason, a reason that is an inconvenient truth.


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    #1798
    [Deleted User]
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    Why is this thread continuing. Is it because of misogyny? Mary Lou is a woman after all.


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    #1799
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The BA showed within days...not weeks or months - that they were there to shore up the sectarian bigoted state with violence.

    You do not have the first clue of the actual history.

    No, that is actually not correct. It took about 9 months for things to deteriorate with the Falls curfew, as the BA were trying to find out where the IRA arms stashes were.
    If only the PIRA played ball, things could have been so different.


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    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    blanch152 wrote: »
    A line on a map is not a reason for a conflict/war - it is a cop-out to claim it is. It is excusing PIRA terrorists, men who disappear women, men who rape and abuse women, and men who bomb and kill women and children.

    There was no reason to the actions of the PIRA, there was no justification, there is no excuse for them.
    So the same applies to the DUP/UDA?


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    #1801
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-womens-day-post-sparks-row-40169424.html

    "A social media post by Mary Lou McDonald marking International Women's Day has backfired after dozens of comments were posted about IRA killings of women during the Troubles."

    Sinn Fein still have a lot to learn and a lot to apologise for.

    Women like Ann Travers, Mairia Cahill, Jean McConville, Breege Quinn and Sheila Stack, among many others, have been treated disgracefully by Sinn Fein and it would be timely on a day like today that an apology was made to all of them.


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