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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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    #2162
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    I think it was 1171 when the first British monarch laid claim to parts of Ireland

    The French-born, Norman raised, French-speaking Norman Henry II, who was married to the queen consort of France? That 'British' monarch? :pac:

    There was no such thing as a British monarchy at that time by the way. You are about 600 years out.

    That is the problem with the 'we were oppressed by da Brits for 800 years', myth.... it is a myth.
    and began their period of misrule which has continued to this day with the assistance of your pals in your political party.

    My party? Which party is that?


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    #2163
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why did SF abstain this evening in the DUP lead vote to amend the abortion bill? Are they a pro-choice party or not?

    Have they ever been described as a pro-choice party? I haven't heard people refer to SF in that regard.

    McGuinness certainly didn't seem to think so as recently as 2013.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-ard-fheis-abortion-868416-Apr2013/

    They have certainly moved in this from 2013, but I wouldn't have thought to the extent of them being considered a "pro-choice" party.


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    #2164
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    and your assertion is that the current british government is responsible for every death from that day to this ?

    Ah, a nice ninja edit after the fact, but still caught out with a falsehood.
    But yes, the idea that the monarchy today is responsible for something that happened 800 years ago is well, ridiculous in the extreme.


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    #2165
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    and your assertion is that the current british government is responsible for every death from that day to this ?

    Nope... but strange you ask that question as you seem to think that the current SF leadership under Mary-Lou is responsible for a whole raft of deaths before she was even a member of SF.

    Double standards and hypocrisy is dripping off you.


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    #2166
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    So the current SF party is responsible for every death from that day to this?


    just the ones they are actually responsible for fann

    taking responsibility for them would be a start


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    #2167
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Nope... but strange you ask that question as you seem to think that the current SF leadership under Mary-Lou is responsible for a whole raft of deaths before she was even a member of SF.

    Double standards and hypocrisy is dripping off you.

    when did I say mlm ? sf yes but to be fair she is just the front not the one making the calls now is she


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    #2168
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    markodaly wrote: »
    The French-born, Norman raised, French-speaking Norman Henry II, who was married to the queen consort of France? That 'British' monarch? :pac:

    There was no such thing as a British monarchy at that time by the way. You are about 600 years out.

    That is the problem with the 'we were oppressed by da Brits for 800 years', myth.... it is a myth.



    My party? Which party is that?

    Ah here we go, when is the King of England not the King of England?

    When it doesn’t suit your agenda!

    So Henry II, the King of England, was not really the King of England? Explain that one to me so...


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    #2169
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    when did I say mlm ? sf yes but to be fair she is just the front not the one making the calls now is she

    So what deaths are Sinn Féin responsible for?


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    #2170
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    markodaly wrote: »
    Ah, a nice ninja edit after the fact, but still caught out with a falsehood.
    But yes, the idea that the monarchy today is responsible for something that happened 800 years ago is well, ridiculous in the extreme.

    Why so blasé about the Brits having responsibility for the deaths of literally countless Irish people yet you get incredibly exercised about the death of a relatively small number at the hands of Republicans?


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    #2171
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Answered mo chara. What’s your point in this question by the way? Are you going to try and argue that we haven’t been under British misrule?

    Just like I thought, markodaly did actually try and argue this!


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    #2172
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    So what deaths are Sinn Féin responsible for?

    Paul Maxwell was murdered by a senior party official


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    #2173
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Paul Maxwell was murdered by a senior party official

    In the name of Sinn Féin? No.

    That would be like me saying that Gary O’Flynn sending a bomb to and soliciting to kill a Revenue official did so in the name of Fianna Fáil when of course he didn’t.


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    #2174
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    So what deaths are Sinn Féin responsible for?

    lol sf the part of peace now is it ?


    event the most guileless teenager wouldn't believe you there bobby


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    #2175
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    lol sf the part of peace now is it ?


    event the most guileless teenager wouldn't believe you there bobby

    Yes, Sinn Féin is entirely committed to peace.


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    #2176
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    In the name of Sinn Féin? No.

    That would be like me saying that Gary O’Flynn sending a bomb to and soliciting to kill a Revenue official did so in the name of Fianna Fáil when of course he didn’t.

    So if he murdered the young lad in his spare time it doesn't count. I get your point now.


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    #2177
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    So what deaths are Sinn Féin responsible for?

    Would be a good question to ask Dessie Ellis.


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    #2178
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Would be a good question to ask Dessie Ellis.


    Did he serve his time?


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    #2179
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Did he serve his time?

    Serving time doesn't absolve responsibility.


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    #2180
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Serving time doesn't absolve responsibility.


    You do know Dessie was acquitted Blanch? If that doesn't absolve you of responsibility I don't know what sort of justice you're looking for.


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    #2181
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You do know Dessie was acquitted Blanch? If that doesn't absolve you of responsibility I don't know what sort of justice you're looking for.

    He admitted he was involved with the PIRA at the highest level!!

    What more do you need???


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    #2182
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    He admitted he was involved with the PIRA at the highest level!!

    What more do you need???


    You called him a murderer. I'm just stating the facts.


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    #2183
    Triangle
    Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Triangle


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You do know Dessie was acquitted Blanch? If that doesn't absolve you of responsibility I don't know what sort of justice you're looking for.

    He was acquitted in the london trial, still convicted for having explosives and timers.
    Don't try and portray him as a Saint.

    Edit: this (you) reminds me of Trumps half truths. I honestly had thought we'd seen the end of this rubbish.


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    #2184
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Ah here we go, when is the King of England not the King of England?

    When it doesn’t suit your agenda!

    When is the King of Ireland not the King of Ireland? I presume when they are foreigners? Guess what? When the Normans came over to Ireland, the King of England was a foreigner to England.
    So Henry II, the King of England, was not really the King of England? Explain that one to me so...

    Oh, he was the King of England alright, but he wasn't British or even English! :pac:


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    #2185
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Would be a good question to ask Dessie Ellis.

    Ah but sure, Dessie Ellis had no choice, he was oppressed by the British growing up in..... Dublin?! :P


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    #2186
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You do know Dessie was acquitted Blanch? If that doesn't absolve you of responsibility I don't know what sort of justice you're looking for.

    He was convicted of possessing multiple power-timer units for IRA bombs.

    That makes him a murderer.


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    #2187
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    He was convicted of possessing multiple power-timer units for IRA bombs.

    That makes him a murderer.


    He wasnt convicted of it. Thanks.


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    #2188
    Triangle
    Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Triangle


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    He wasnt convicted of it. Thanks.

    Keep your head in the sand there but it won't change facts.
    "A former republican prisoner, he was convicted of possession of explosives in 1983 and sentenced to 10 years."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-dessie-ellis-sinn-f%C3%A9in-1.4168912

    Edit: you're confusing his acquittal in the UK with his conviction in Ireland


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    #2189
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You called him a murderer. I'm just stating the facts.

    OK can you show me where I called him a murderer???


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    #2190
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    He wasnt convicted of it. Thanks.

    He was, and served ten years in Portlaoise for it.


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    #2191
    rdwight
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Sinn Fein once again showing the kind of leadership needed from those in government (as opposed to those whose abilities only extend to hurling on the ditch).


    https://www.thejournal.ie/ni-assembly-abortion-bill-5382919-Mar2021/


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