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O'Leary Throws Down The Gauntlet To NPHET

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    #152
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    timeToLive wrote: »
    Ok, so we should listen to the publicans then? :confused:

    We should look at the motivation of different parties in calling to reopen. Lots of vested interests lobbying to reopen and criticising measures including publicans, airlines etc.

    Id far rather follow the medical advice than that of Michael O'Leary


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    #153
    Plumbthedepths
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Wouldn’t be so sure. There’s a huge amount of anger out there at Ryan air and MOL specifically

    The anger will be forgotten when cheap flights to the sun are offered


    Witnessed a mid 50s level headed business man crying tears of frustration and rage in his shop a few weeks ago in reaction to one of O’Leary’s BS sound b
    This man lost his wife to coronavirus a few weeks previous and here was Michael O’Leary belittling covid. Despicable.

    Sounds made up.


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    #154
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    O'Leary is great at running a no frills airline and getting maximum publicity when he needs it, I pay him no heed whatsoever.

    He's the ultimate troll.


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    #155
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Mr. Karate wrote: »

    I find it interesting that the Govt keep us in lockdown to protect the elderly while they're still trying to introduce euthanasia to the Country. How the irony and self awareness escapes them and their worshipers is beyond me.

    You do know euthanasia isn't contagious don't you?


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    #156
    is_that_so
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    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    I'm glad someone like O'Leary is calling them out on all this nonsense. Even if his motivations are mostly based on self interest. We need more of this. Holohan has acted in self interest during this whole ordeal to make a celebrity out of himself.

    I'd laugh at the people who still cling to the "experts" despite being wrong every step of the way and continue to be. This really has morphed into a religion for people. The idea that Holohan and co. should be above criticism is laughable.

    I find it interesting that the Govt keep us in lockdown to protect the elderly while they're still trying to introduce euthanasia to the Country. How the irony and self awareness escapes them and their worshipers is beyond me.
    It's actually always been to protect the health system and to do our best to protect the elderly. A collapsed health system or one with very high levels of COVID affects everyone.


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    #157
    IAMAMORON
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    HBC08 wrote: »
    I'm not sure what your issue is?
    I didn't follow it too closely but wasn't it headline news that the Germans didn't approve AZ vaccine for iver 65s?
    Who do you think is lying to you about what?

    That is not really what I am saying.

    My gripe is why is such an important issue being ignored?

    Why if the German MA declared that the vaccine was not suitable for over 65's did this get buried? In the meantime we are using a vaccine that is potentially useless and then giving it to the very people it potentially might not work on?

    Square holes and circle plugs maybe? It happens too often.

    But tonight and all week Mick O'Leary will now get more coverage for spouting than the German Medical Authority?


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    #158
    DraftDodger
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oh great. A COVID denier.

    Every now and then the mask slips and one comes out of the woodwork. Bless em...


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    #159
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    We should look at the motivation of different parties in calling to reopen. Lots of vested interests lobbying to reopen and criticising measures including publicans, airlines etc.

    Id far rather follow the medical advice than that of Michael O'Leary

    The medical advice "experts" have been wrong every step of the way and have been incompetent the whole time. You hole up and continue to listen to them. Let the rest of us get on with life.


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    #160
    [Deleted User]
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    That is not really what I am saying.

    My gripe is why is such an important issue being ignored?

    Why if the German MA declared that the vaccine was not suitable for over 65's did this get buried? In the meantime we are using a vaccine that is potentially useless and then giving it to the very people it potentially might not work on?

    Square holes and circle plugs maybe? It happens too often.

    But tonight and all week Mick O'Leary will now get more coverage for spouting than the German Medical Authority?

    I think the germans issue was that there wasnt enough over 65s included in trials to assess whether it was effective or not


    The next month to 6 weeks,and data coming out of the UK,should give a good indicator imo

    But id err on side of caution aswell tbf


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    #161
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    We were sold this lunacy with the threat of 100000 deaths and there was talk of mass graves and giant cremations

    By mid April the deaths were not materializing

    We have had 3000+ deaths

    Unless you are very old or very sick or both you have zero chance of dying.

    Our country is on its knees economy is destroyed hundreds of thousands are out of work we face mass poverty homelessness despair civil strife and suicide.

    Our world is literally withering away like a plant devoid of water or sunlight

    We need to open up NOW!

    Absolute rubbish.

    Plenty of younger healthy people have died.


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    #162
    trixi001
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    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    We should look at the motivation of different parties in calling to reopen. Lots of vested interests lobbying to reopen and criticising measures including publicans, airlines etc.

    Id far rather follow the medical advice than that of Michael O'Leary

    We should look at the vested interests of everyone calling for everything to stay closed too then - anyone who remains on full pay and is WFH (and wants to remain WFH), has a vested interest in things staying this way, anyone on TWISS/PUP etc who is happy with their income for no work has a vested interest.

    Anyone who has family in pharm, mask manufacture, IT Remote solutions and lots of other industries has a vested interest.

    The government has a vested interest in getting re-elected.

    I have said all along, if we have NPHET, we should also have experts in the economy, environment, sociology etc. A Public heath emergency is not all about health, the response team should include a range of experts, and the government take recommendations from all experts, not simply take advice from health experts and ignore everyone else!


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    #163
    Sofa King Great
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    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    The medical advice "experts" have been wrong every step of the way and have been incompetent the whole time. You hole up and continue to listen to them. Let the rest of us get on with life.

    Just so I am clear, what have they been "wrong" about?


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    #164
    corcaigh07
    Registered Users Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Er, O'Neils interest is in immunology and vaccinations. I don't think you quite comprehend what a conflict of interest is.

    Er, I don't think you comprehend what a conflict of interest is:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/business/irish-biotech-start-up-co-founded-by-luke-oneill-sold-for-380m-1018530.html

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/start-ups/eli-lilly-sitryx-deal-luke-oneill

    https://www.easons.com/never-mind-the-bllcks-heres-the-science-luke-a-j-oneill-9780717186396

    He's a businessman and as it turns out, a pretty good one.


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    #165
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    trixi001 wrote: »
    We should look at the vested interests of everyone calling for everything to stay closed too then - anyone who remainns on full pay and is WFH, has a vested interest in things staying this way, anyone on TWISS/PUP etc who is happy with their income for no work has a vested interest.

    Anyone who has family in pharm, mask manufacture, IT Remote solutions and lots of other industries has a vested interest.

    The government has a vested interest in getting re-elected.

    I have said all along, if we have NPHET, we should also have experts in the economy, environment, sociology etc. A Public heath emergency is not all about health, the response team should include a range of experts, and the government take recommendations from all experts, not simply take advice from health experts and ignore everyone else!
    I work from home and still get paid. I by no means have a vested interest in things staying this way. I cannot wait to get back to normal.

    Someone having family working in pharma is not equivalent to someone running an airline in terms of vested interests

    The government have advisers from economic, sociological and environmental stand point. NPHET's role is strictly medical


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    #166
    ujjjjjjjjj
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's actually always been to protect the health system and to do our best to protect the elderly. A collapsed health system or one with very high levels of COVID affects everyone.

    Since the first data on Covid came out (and it hasn't changed since) if has been clear that it is a significant risk to the very elderly, infirm and some with significant underlying conditions. We have failed utterly to keep Covid out of nursing homes, hospital acquired infection is rampant so we have not even begun to do our best to protect the small percentage of the population at significant risk to Covid. The health system is no closer to collapse this year than any year and if it was that big a deal why are we not tooling up extra ICU beds in huge numbers etc etc.

    And to protect a health system we sacrifice the very economy and livelihoods which fund it in the future. The long term financial constraints and debt from this saga will do real damage to the health system. Just have a look at what happened after the 2008 crash......


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    #167
    Doctor Jimbob
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    trixi001 wrote: »
    We should look at the vested interests of everyone calling for everything to stay closed too then - anyone who remainns on full pay and is WFH, has a vested interest in things staying this way, anyone on TWISS/PUP etc who is happy with their income for no work has a vested interest.

    Anyone who has family in pharm, mask manufacture, IT Remote solutions and lots of other industries has a vested interest.

    The government has a vested interest in getting re-elected.

    I have said all along, if we have NPHET, we should also have experts in the economy, environment, sociology etc. A Public heath emergency is not all about health, the response team should include a range of experts, and the government take recommendations from all experts, not simply take advice from health experts and ignore everyone else!

    Calling for input from a wider range of experts is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Cheering on a businessman with a history of outlandish statements for "sticking it up to NPHET and RTE", as plenty of people on this thread are doing, is moronic.


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    #168
    HBC08
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    That is not really what I am saying.

    My gripe is why is such an important issue being ignored?

    Why if the German MA declared that the vaccine was not suitable for over 65's did this get buried? In the meantime we are using a vaccine that is potentially useless and then giving it to the very people it potentially might not work on?

    Square holes and circle plugs maybe? It happens too often.

    But tonight and all week Mick O'Leary will now get more coverage for spouting than the German Medical Authority?

    I really don't understand.
    This was the top headline in the news for a couple of days last week,it was discussed in the media by all the major players but you are claiming it was buried?
    You seem to think somebody is lying to you?
    I'm not following at all.


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    #169
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    And the foil hats are out i see. Did Lidl have a special on them this morning?


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    #170
    Hurrache
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    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    Er, I don't think you comprehend what a conflict of interest is:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/business/irish-biotech-start-up-co-founded-by-luke-oneill-sold-for-380m-1018530.html

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/start-ups/eli-lilly-sitryx-deal-luke-oneill

    https://www.easons.com/never-mind-the-bllcks-heres-the-science-luke-a-j-oneill-9780717186396

    He's a businessman and as it turns out, a pretty good one.

    Sigh, this is his area of expertise, you think he's going to argue for more relaxed restrictions, like MOL, so he can profit off it?


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    #171
    stoneill
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    He is right about the UK getting back to normal before the rest of Europe, although they deserve to, their population and health service have been through hell.

    He has a point. Too much emphasis put on NPHET and this business of leaking government advice has been a shambles.

    Anyone can write letters to the country telling everyone to hide under the bed and nail a black cross to the front door...... All they are doing is covering their ass.

    They are fond of scaremongering also, particularly in tandem with RTE and the push to misrepresent that the virus is overtly dangerous to the under 60's - not fair - at least be frank and honest and let the people make up their own minds.

    In Germany they are only innoculating the under 65's. This got buried and misrepresented in Irish media. It got tied in with the propaganda on the Astra Zeneca shambles.... at least give us the truth and stop patronising everyone.

    What they actually say is Wear A Mask, Wash Your Hands, Avoid Contact.
    The only person I've come across talking about hiding under beds and nailing black crosses to doors is you.


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    #172
    Your Face
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    Pair of ****


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    #173
    ujjjjjjjjj
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    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Absolute rubbish.

    Plenty of younger healthy people have died.

    Nope sorry. Read the stats.....when I last check it the average age of death in Ireland was 84 and that is from the CSO not some mad 5g page.

    Have young people died yes, is it a tragedy yes. Do young people die from a multitude of different health issues yes. Is dieing from Covid a significant risk, nope not for a young person (and I mean anyone under 65) . Is life risk free, no but from every piece of data I have seen, anyone in modest health under 65 (and most certainly under Mick O'Leary's 50 year old yardstick) I can't see how anyone can consider this a risk worth even thinking about let alone closing a country down for.


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    #174
    Mike Murdock
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    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Our country is on its knees.
    Our economy is destroyed.
    We face mass jobs losses mass poverty mass homelessness and ruin.
    Do you want the whole country boarded up for good?
    For the sake of a virus with a 99.97% survival rate.

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    #175
    corcaigh07
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    Sigh, this is his area of expertise, you think he's going to argue for more relaxed restrictions, like MOL, so he can profit off it?

    Absolutely if he can profit from it via vaccines. He shouldn't be seen as a neutral, honest observer. Neither should Michael O Leary either of course.


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    #176
    Charles Babbage
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    Seweryn wrote: »
    In fairness hospitals are always full this time of year, they are no different this season.


    This is an irresponsible statement and of course it is thanked by the usual suspects. It is a bit like saying in the middle of a blizzard or flood that is always cold and wet in winter.


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    #177
    Russman
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    ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »
    Nope sorry. Read the stats.....when I last check it the average age of death in Ireland was 84 and that is from the CSO not some mad 5g page.

    Have young people died yes, is it a tragedy yes. Do young people die from a multitude of different health issues yes. Is dieing from Covid a significant risk, nope not for a young person (and I mean anyone under 65) . Is life risk free, no but from every piece of data I have seen, anyone in modest health under 65 (and most certainly under Mick O'Leary's 50 year old yardstick) I can't see how anyone can consider this a risk worth even thinking about let alone closing a country down for.

    Ever wonder how the old people get the disease ?


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    #178
    Samsonsmasher
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    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Absolute rubbish.

    Plenty of younger healthy people have died.

    Not 100000 people. We aren't in the Spanish Flu or the Black Death. Not even close.

    Young healthy people in the prime of their lives are missing out on their education their jobs and careers social lives finding love traveling growing up and are facing joblessness homelessness poverty despair and suicide.

    There is likely to be another Great Depression and possibly civil strife in Ireland and across the world.

    The truth is the world has been dominated by the boomer generation since the 1960s and they are going to be all dead in a decade or more.
    They are too frightened to live in the shadow of death.

    So they are burning the world down behind them.


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    #179
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    Absolutely if he can profit from it via vaccines. He shouldn't be seen as a neutral, honest observer. Neither should Michael O Leary either of course.

    He's a specialist in the area. Colour me surprised that the media the world over regularly get specialists in to discuss areas they're experts in.

    Can't wait until they follow your logic though when we have Pat the Baker on discussing the the latest Space X launches.


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    #180
    Hurrache
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    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    possibly civil strife in Ireland and across the world.

    Should be a short one, don't hold out much hope for the dopes in your gang to come up with any sort of plan or tactics without accidentally poking their own eyes out with pencils as they try draw a map.


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    #181
    Tenzor07
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    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Young healthy people in the prime of their lives are missing out on their education their jobs and careers social lives finding love traveling growing up and are facing joblessness homelessness poverty despair and suicide..

    They reckon in the UK because of School closures causing breaks in education that it could lead to a loss of £40,000 of earnings across the careers of children in the education system now for when they join the workforce in later life due to less qualifications...

    People go on about "long covid" but the impact of all the current restrictions will be felt for decades to come....


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