Daniel Kinahan BBC Panorama 01/02/2021 9pm

elperello

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s all well and good being on the record in court, but it’s an opinion put forward by somebody.
I’m not doubting or questioning the accuracy of that opinion, only pointing out that he’s not actually convicted of any crime apparently, and I think it makes the Irish authorities look like fools that they want a person with no convictions to be somehow sanctioned in a foreign country.

Maybe the French have the right attitude they way they are treating Ian Bailey, convict him in his absence and then seek his extradition upon which a new trial can be had with him in attendance. Maybe they need to convict DK in his absence to add validation to the position the Irish authorities have taken on him.

It's not a French attitude.

They have a different legal system.

Under our common law system trial in absentia is disallowed.

Ash.J.Williams

GiftofGab wrote: »

Rumour has it that the guy shot in Belfast last night is Barry Mcguigan. Surely can't be true?

He’s in England

Ash.J.Williams

dobman88 wrote: »

Felt like this was more of an investigation into boxing and Tyson Fury than Kinahan tbh. Pretty much nothing on the show that Irish people wouldnt already be aware of.

Boxing is massively corrupt. And in more breaking news, water is wet.

The show wasn’t made for Irish people and the attitude referred to in your last sentence is the problem

dobman88

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The show wasn’t made for Irish people and the attitude referred to in your last sentence is the problem

I know it's the problem. I hate boxing and wouldnt consider it even close to a sport. I don't follow it cos its shìte. Not much I can do to change it.

dmn22

GiftofGab wrote: »

Rumour has it that the guy shot in Belfast last night is Barry Mcguigan. Surely can't be true?

No, and you really shouldn't spread unfounded rumours like that.

I'm pretty sure a former world champion boxer getting murdered the day after publicly speaking out against a drug cartel would massively increase the level of attention this story is getting and that is the last thing the Kinahans want right now.

Ash.J.Williams

dobman88 wrote: »

I know it's the problem. I hate boxing and wouldnt consider it even close to a sport. I don't follow it cos its shìte. Not much I can do to change it.

Not much you can add so

dobman88

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Not much you can add so

:pac: oh right. Thanks for letting me know.

lawrencesummers

Donald Trump wrote: »

No. It was the findings of a judge. Claims and evidence were presented and those were accepted by the judge as true. That is why they can print certain things.

Have you a link, I can’t find any

Ash.J.Williams

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Have you a link, I can’t find any

A gang member jailed recently for conspiracy to murder was named as a member of the Kinahan crime gang led by Daniel Kinahan . Hence named in court

Mr.burgess

dobman88 wrote: »

Felt like this was more of an investigation into boxing and Tyson Fury than Kinahan tbh. Pretty much nothing on the show that Irish people wouldnt already be aware of.

Boxing is massively corrupt. And in more breaking news, water is wet.

Was for the uk audience mate abc in America are also doing one on him

tipptom

Cant believe the docu didnt go with the Kinihans importing drugs into a lot of major citys in the UK

When questions start being asked about some Paddy importing drugs to old bilghty then it usally ends with questions been asked in the House of Commons and thats where all resources are thrown at it

There are stories that DK may be a British intelligence informer and this may be keeping him safe for a while.

Muahahaha

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

one cant film in dubai

Cant film in Saudi either but the BBC Panorama team did it for the documentary on the murder of Khalshoggi. Channel 4 filmed in Dubai when covering the kidnap of Princess Latifa, they also filmed in Saudi when covering that woman in prison for driving a car. Only yesterday the Daily Mail published long lens photos of some British influencer holidaying out in Dubai who was pretending he was back home in Newcastle for lockdown by posting old photos of him in his back garden onto Instagram. It might be illegal but it goes on.

whippet wrote: »

There is no extradition treaty with Dubai .. so having a conviction her wouldn’t equate to being able to get Dubai to ship him home.

We don’t have a treaty in place as we would have to be willing to ship in the opposite direction if Dubai made an application and it wouldn’t be really appealing to support the authorities in Dubai with some of their legal cases.

No extradition treaty but that doesnt mean he cant be extradited. Dubai extradited two major cartel traffickers in the last year, one of them Dutch national Riduaon Taghi who had ordered the murder of 11 people back in Holland from Dubai. He had a witness due to testify against him murdered and also had his lawyer murdered too. There was widespread public anger in Holland and the Dutch govt put pressure on Dubai to extradite him, which they did.

Interestingly the DEA told the Dutch police that in 2017 their surveillance clocked Kinahan meeting with Taghi in the Burj al Arab hotel. Also present was the head of a Bosnian cartel and a member of the Italian Camorra who specialises in guns. The DEA believe that they are all members of a "super-cartel" which controls about a third of all cocaine supply across the EU, they also said they have a virtual monopoly on cocaine coming out of Peru where they buy exclusively off the four main cartels there. A Dutch newspaper illustrated a cartoon of these "super cartel" members at the time, Rioduan Taghi is bottom right, he is currently in a maximum security prison in Holland awaiting trial.

Figel Narage

Muahahaha wrote: »

Cant film in Saudi either but the BBC Panorama team did it for the documentary on the murder of Khalshoggi. Channel 4 filmed in Dubai when covering the kidnap of Princess Latifa, they also filmed in Saudi when covering that woman in prison for driving a car. Only yesterday the Daily Mail published long lens photos of some British influencer holidaying out in Dubai who was pretending he was back home in Newcastle for lockdown by posting old photos of him in his back garden onto Instagram. It might be illegal but it goes on.



No extradition treaty but that doesnt mean he cant be extradited. Dubai extradited two major cartel traffickers in the last year, one of them Dutch national Riduaon Taghi who had ordered the murder of 11 people back in Holland from Dubai. He had a witness due to testify against him murdered and also had his lawyer murdered too. There was widespread public anger in Holland and the Dutch govt put pressure on Dubai to extradite him, which they did.

Interestingly the DEA told the Dutch police that in 2017 their surveillance clocked Kinahan meeting with Taghi in the Burj al Arab hotel. Also present was the head of a Bosnian cartel and a member of the Italian Camorra who specialises in guns. The DEA believe that they are all members of a "super-cartel" which controls about a third of all cocaine supply across the EU, they also said they have a virtual monopoly on cocaine coming out of Peru where they buy exclusively off the four main cartels there. A Dutch newspaper illustrated a cartoon of these "super cartel" members at the time, Rioduan Taghi is bottom right, he is currently in a maximum security prison in Holland awaiting trial.

On the first point, I think if Daniel Kinahan was ordering murders of UK citizens plus people who act in the legal system i.e. solicitors and such like the Dutch guy they would have gone to Dubai and some how filmed him. I got the vibe the documentary was hastily done, some of the information wasn't hugely accurate and I didn't get the idea they were really interested into getting to the bottom of what's going on.

Interesting stuff regarding the international connections, I read that article a while ago, Kinahan has also been spotted with people from Calabrian mafia which is the most powerful Italian mafia and I presume that super cartel stretches even further to high level Turkish and Russian gangsters based on the product being sold. I presume he must be multi lingual like his father.

Muahahaha

Figel Narage wrote: »

On the first point, I think if Daniel Kinahan was ordering murders of UK citizens plus people who act in the legal system i.e. solicitors and such like the Dutch guy they would have gone to Dubai and some how filmed him. I got the vibe the documentary was hastily done, some of the information wasn't hugely accurate and I didn't get the idea they were really interested into getting to the bottom of what's going on.

Interesting stuff regarding the international connections, I read that article a while ago, Kinahan has also been spotted with people from Calabrian mafia which is the most powerful Italian mafia and I presume that super cartel stretches even further to high level Turkish and Russian gangsters based on the product being sold. I presume he must be multi lingual like his father.

Yeah the documentary definitely had a feeling of being hastily put together, it wasnt up to the usual quality of Panorama output. The Guardian review of it said as much too. They also said the documentary will cause Sky Sports huge headaches in terms of screening the Tyson Fury fight when its known Kinahan is operating in the background making money off it.

Kinahan himself is definitely under DEA surveillance in Dubai, aside from him meeting other cartel bosses in the Burj al Arab hotel there was also a story that the DEA showed up to his wedding in the same hotel, presumably using the occasion to spot all of his lieutenants. Him and 26 of his associates are now barred from travelling to the US so they know exactly who all the main players are in the cartel.

FourFourRED

Was really looking forward to this but to me it felt like they were trying to tell us a story without really telling us anything at all in the end, at least in terms of new information. Was more of an advertisement for Tyson Fury than about highlighting a case against Daniel Kinahan. Overall disappointing.

Billy Ocean

Lowest of the low stuff from Billy Joe Saunders on his social media but no shock given his previous.

Faugheen

FourFourFM wrote: »

Was really looking forward to this but to me it felt like they were trying to tell us a story without really telling us anything at all in the end, at least in terms of new information. Was more of an advertisement for Tyson Fury than about highlighting a case against Daniel Kinahan. Overall disappointing.

It wasn’t aimed at us.

Do you think the wider UK audience that Panorama attracts would have learned anything new? Remember they knew very little about Kinahan.

tipptom

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Lowest of the low stuff from Billy Joe Saunders on his social media but no shock given his previous.

Saunders is a scumbag anyway but does anyone know the timeline of his tweet and this hashtag challenge and his messages to the florist,did the tweet come first and this other stuff afterwards?

I see Louis di Bello has apologised to him

We all know what he meant by that tweet but was he clever enough to do all this facebook stuff with his own daughter first to cover himself?

Ash.J.Williams

tipptom wrote: »

Saunders is a scumbag anyway but does anyone know the timeline of his tweet and this hashtag challenge and his messages to the florist,did the tweet come first and this other stuff afterwards?

I see Louis di Bello has apologised to him

We all know what he meant by that tweet but was he clever enough to do all this facebook stuff with his own daughter first to cover himself?

definitely got in ahead of the doc

tipptom

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

definitely got in ahead of the doc

So you think he could be accused in the wrong here?

Ash.J.Williams

tipptom wrote: »

So you think he could be accused in the wrong here?

absolutely not

Ash.J.Williams

saunders just asked nichola tallant about the government supplying the AK's

elperello

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/member-of-bbc-team-behind-panorama-expose-of-daniel-kinahan-warned-of-threat-to-life-40057659.html

Threat close to home.

glenfieldman

I doubt that came from the major players
Id say its some small fry working for them that thinks will get them kudos

Larsso30

glenfieldman wrote: »

I doubt that came from the major players
Id say its some small fry working for them that thinks will get them kudos

I'd say it came from either informants or wire taps. They wouldn't raise it if it wasn't credible all the same

glenfieldman

Larsso30 wrote: »

I'd say it came from either informants or wire taps. They wouldn't raise it if it wasn't credible all the same

Maybe to raise it to pour more pressure on DK,
I am no fan of either side of this feud, but anything they do to bang them up is ok

Muahahaha

In light of BBC journalist Donal McIntyre receiving threats after the documentary was screened Danial Kinahan has released a statement this afternoon to Talksport

“I have tried my best to ignore the allegations that are constantly made about me. I have dedicated myself to my work in boxing for over 15 years.

“I have started from the bottom and worked my way up. I am proud to say today that I have helped organise over a dozen major world title fights. I continue to be involved in planning multiple record-breaking and exciting world title fights: I’m doing all I can to give fight fans around the world the fights they want. My professional commitment is always to the boxers, those who take the ultimate risk.

“I’m Irish. I was born and raised in Dublin. In a deprived area with serious levels of poverty, of crime, of under investment. People like me, from there, aren’t expected to do anything with their lives other than serve the middle and upper classes. Boxing is a working class sport for which I’ve had a lifelong love and passion.

“I love the sport of boxing but didn’t love how business was done. Many boxers have similar backgrounds to me. I got into boxing to make sure that boxers get fairly rewarded and not taken advantage of. The boxers put their lives on the line. It’s my mission to ensure that the boxers are financially secure when they finish boxing, and healthy too. Let’s not forget – the money in boxing is put there one way or another by the fans, sponsors and TV companies – not by me or anyone else – and they put it there to watch the fighters. The fighters deserve their fair share.

“I firmly believe that my success has led to an increase in the campaign against me. Pretty much anything can be said about me, or inferred about me, and it goes unchallenged and is sadly believed. Last week it was inferred that I had threatened a reporter. Let me be clear on this point before I address the other allegations against me. I have full respect for journalism. I have worked with journalists and I value their role. Journalists should always be free to do their job, free from any threat or harassment. I have never threatened a reporter or journalist or asked anyone to do that for me. I never have and I never would.

“My concern is that I have not been on the receiving end of fair and credible journalism, especially in the UK and Ireland. The recent BBC Panorama programme is a good example. This was a rehash of unsubstantiated allegations that have been made previously on many occasions. It was unashamedly sensationalist and devoid of evidence or critical analysis. They refused to publish the statement I made in advance of the programme or even question the fundamental claim that “an Irish court accepted…” That Irish Court is the SCC, a court with no jury, and which accepts the word of police officers without question. It is criticised by both the UN and Amnesty International. This latest report follows a long pattern of throwing innuendo and baseless accusations at me hoping that some may stick.

“I can’t be any clearer on the fundamental slur – I am not a part of a criminal gang or any conspiracy. I have no convictions. None. Not just in Ireland but anywhere in the world.

“Media outlets link my name with criminality unconnected to me. I am not involved in any proceedings therefore I am unable to challenge this in court. The media know this yet they refuse to acknowledge it. There is no evidence or proof against me. I have said repeatedly: I have no criminal record anywhere in the world. Sections of the media ask that I disprove a negative. This is impossible but it shows what I’m up against.

“People need to ask themselves – If he has done the things he has been accused of why has he not been arrested and charged? Why does a police organisation anywhere in the world not have this information and evidence some sections of the media would have you believe actually exists. Why is there only a trial by media and not a criminal trial? There is a simple answer to this. That answer is because there is no evidence. It’s because it is not true.

“I’m blessed with an amazing family. I’m blessed to work in boxing at the highest level having organised some of the biggest fights in boxing previously and in the future. I will continue working every day to bring out the best in, and look after, the boxers I am lucky enough to work with.

“I have chosen to dedicate my life to my family and my work. I do so every day in good and honest faith. I will continue to always choose love and choose God in my future as I do in my present.”

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/831036/boxing-news-daniel-kinahan-panorama-advisor-tyson-fury-vs-anthony-joshua/

Effects

Muahahaha wrote: »

A Dutch newspaper illustrated a cartoon of these "super cartel" members at the time, Rioduan Taghi is bottom right, he is currently in a maximum security prison in Holland awaiting trial.

Is that Ricky Gervais on the bottom left?

smurgen

Kinahan is a scumbag and I would like to see him put away but I must say I find the vigour from Fine Gael here amusing and of sharp contrast to say for example their attitude towards mother and care home scandal. If Josepha Madigan share the blame far and wide there and ask things such as where were the fathers then surely the d4 heads who enjoy the odd line are partially responsible for a monster like Kinahan?

Figel Narage

smurgen wrote: »

Kinahan is a scumbag and I would like to see him put away but I must say I find the vigour from Fine Gael here amusing and of sharp contrast to say for example their attitude towards mother and care home scandal. If Josepha Madigan share the blame far and wide there and ask things such as where were the fathers then surely the d4 heads who enjoy the odd line are partially responsible for a monster like Kinahan?

I agree that people who use drugs and are outraged by Kinahan are highly hypocritical. Granted if everyone stopped consuming drugs it's not going to cause DK to cease to be who he is and at the level he is at but nonetheless some of those outraged of DK probably enjoy some of his product.