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Design Certifier Cost

  • 03-02-2021 9:48am
    #1
    billy_beckham
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭


    Hi Folks,

    Anyone know how much it costs to get someone to "Design Certify" plans?

    Thanks,


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  • #2
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,799 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    billy_beckham wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    Anyone know how much it costs to get someone to "Design Certify" plans?

    Thanks,

    Why do you need this?


  • #3
    billy_beckham
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭billy_beckham


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Why do you need this?

    We have just received PP, I believe next stage is to get a Design Certifier involved?


  • #4
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,799 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    billy_beckham wrote: »
    We have just received PP, I believe next stage is to get a Design Certifier involved?

    may i ask what you got permission for? a new house?

    'design' and 'assigned' certifers are required if you "opt in" in the BCARs regulations. So first thing to do is to figure out of you want to or not. Do some homework on it.

    in most cases of "opt in" the design and assigned certifiers is the same person and its all included in the one engagement


  • #5
    billy_beckham
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭billy_beckham


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    may i ask what you got permission for? a new house?

    'design' and 'assigned' certifers are required if you "opt in" in the BCARs regulations. So first thing to do is to figure out of you want to or not. Do some homework on it.

    in most cases of "opt in" the design and assigned certifiers is the same person and its all included in the one engagement

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/should-i-opt-out-of-costly-compliance-paperwork-1.3086373

    Its for a renovation/extension. Reading above it would seem that opting out is not a good idea?

    Typically what does the design/assigned certifier cost?


  • #6
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,737 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    billy_beckham wrote: »
    Hi Folks,

    Anyone know how much it costs to get someone to "Design Certify" plans?

    Thanks,

    Do you have an Assigned Certifier appointed?
    99% of projects, the AC and DC are the same person.


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  • #7
    billy_beckham
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭billy_beckham


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Do you have an Assigned Certifier appointed?
    99% of projects, the AC and DC are the same person.

    Is it not Design Certifier first? Then assigned certifier..


  • #8
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,799 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    billy_beckham wrote: »
    Is it not Design Certifier first? Then assigned certifier..

    if they arent the same person... then the assigned certifier may have a serious issue certifying and other persons design.

    thats why they are predominately the same person.

    essentially the design certifier prepares the drawings which are built to... and the assigned certifier certifies that what was build complies with regulation

    what happens if theres a difference of opinion between the design certifier and the assigner certifier of what is compliant or not?

    the vast majority of people opt out as they do not see the value in the extra cost to get certified, especially if they are paying by a mortgage which requires certification anyway, even if that certification is somewhat looser.


  • #9
    billy_beckham
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭billy_beckham


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    if they arent the same person... then the assigned certifier may have a serious issue certifying and other persons design.

    thats why they are predominately the same person.

    essentially the design certifier prepares the drawings which are built to... and the assigned certifier certifies that what was build complies with regulation

    what happens if theres a difference of opinion between the design certifier and the assigner certifier of what is compliant or not?

    the vast majority of people opt out as they do not see the value in the extra cost to get certified, especially if they are paying by a mortgage which requires certification anyway, even if that certification is somewhat looser.

    Ok, lets assume they are the same person and I'm opting in...how much would it cost?


  • #10
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,799 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    billy_beckham wrote: »
    Ok, lets assume they are the same person and I'm opting in...how much would it cost?

    ive seen typical costs of somewhere around 4-7k for that type of development


  • #11
    billy_beckham
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭billy_beckham


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    ive seen typical costs of somewhere around 4-7k for that type of development

    Wow, that much!

    Thanks...


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  • #12
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,799 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    billy_beckham wrote: »
    Wow, that much!

    Thanks...

    if you consider that the person is being asked to "certify", which means to be certain, that every aspect of the build complies to all building regulations, then most professionals will require being on site at least once a week for the duration of the project to satisfy themselves of compliance (once its covered it cane be seen).

    A renovation / extension project could last 20 weeks... and you could be looking at 300-400 min per site visit

    350 x 20 = €7000


  • #13
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    if you apply the RIAI stages/costs as a % of the build, the DC/AC will be higher than figures suggest above. If you were to comply the requirements of the AD/AC to the letter of the law and ‘lowest common denominator contractor price’ that’s generally accepted, then the certifier will earn every penny of his/her fee. Blame Phil Hogan, and remind your publicly elected rep at every opportunity.


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