Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

~Rebel~

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Minamino dropped to the bench for Southampton game against Leeds tonight is bit disappointing you would think the way Leeds attack he would have had plenty of space to play in.

Particularly odd with Ings rested too, that's two of their three major goal threats out of the team. Wonder if their intention is to sit back and soak up pressure for the first hour if they can, and then spring the two lads from the bench.

Agent Coulson

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Particularly odd with Ings rested too, that's two of their three major goal threats out of the team. Wonder if their intention is to sit back and soak up pressure for the first hour if they can, and then spring the two lads from the bench.

I'm guessing it might go to what Hasenhuttl was saying over the weekend that his off the ball pressing and work rate isn't up to scratch yet and needs to be worked on and against Leeds you do need that off the ball work rate.

Girly Gal

~Rebel~ wrote: »

There isn't a single answer to just fix our current situation. There are only things that might help turn around the worst run of form and injuries we've had in decades. Keita will definitely help that. Like, even if he's not in peoples first choice 3 man midfield, we're really down to the bare bones at this stage and completely dysfunctional.

Obviously one player (even VVD) won't solve all our problems and I did say I'm happy he's back, but, just think the way some on here talk about him that they think he will!

~Rebel~

Girly Gal wrote: »

Obviously one player (even VVD) won't solve all our problems and I did say I'm happy he's back, but, just think the way some on here talk about him that they think he will!

In our current situation, the biggest benefit he offers is that he's different. We've fallen into such a terrible rut of trying the same things over and over, and failing over and over. He's a completely different kind of player, and if he's on the pitch then by default we'll be doing different things.

Also somewhat interesting that he's played in 10 games this year - 8 wins 1 draw 1 loss (and for the draw, we were winning till he went off). And he started in midfield in arguably all our best league performances this season - Chelsea away (2-0), Arsenal at home (3-1), Leicester at home (3-0), Palace away (7-0). Obviously there were other factors far beyond just him, but he does make us better.

He has definitely flattered to deceive at times in the past, but as you mentioned yourself, since the restart last season, and on into this season, he's been one of our standout performers when he's played. I'm just hoping he can stay fit in a season when everyone else is dropping like flies.

Girly Gal

~Rebel~ wrote: »

In our current situation, the biggest benefit he offers is that he's different. We've fallen into such a terrible rut of trying the same things over and over, and failing over and over. He's a completely different kind of player, and if he's on the pitch then by default we'll be doing different things.

Also somewhat interesting that he's played in 10 games this year - 8 wins 1 draw 1 loss (and for the draw, we were winning till he went off). And he started in midfield in arguably all our best league performances this season - Chelsea away (2-0), Arsenal at home (3-1), Leicester at home (3-0), Palace away (7-0). Obviously there were other factors far beyond just him, but he does make us better.

He has definitely flattered to deceive at times in the past, but as you mentioned yourself, since the restart last season, and on into this season, he's been one of our standout performers when he's played. I'm just hoping he can stay fit in a season when everyone else is dropping like flies.

Obviously better to have him available with so many injuries, but, as you say other factors have impacted us since the Palace game, most notably moving Henderson to CB and Fabinho's injury. I hope he does help to turn things around, but, more likely is that he'll break down again after a few matches.

yourdeadwright

I jist seen we are the only team Southampton have beat since December 13th, No wonder there manger was crying

Harry Palmr

Lazio v Bayern on Virgin 2. Atletico on RTE Two for old boy watch.

Btw Bayern are really under the cosh injury wise would be a good draw for next round.

ShamoBuc

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Lazio v Bayern on Virgin 2. Atletico on RTE Two for old boy watch.

Btw Bayern are really under the cosh injury wise would be a good draw for next round.

If we get through, they would knock us out for sure.

retalivity

Reina, Lucas & Luis Alberto getting spanked

Ottoman_1000

Jasus if we get through and draw Bayern Lewandowski could have a field day against our make shift defense!! He's a joy to watch the way the can make chances from noting...

Fitz*

retalivity wrote: »

Reina, Lucas & Luis Alberto getting spanked

You know, I'd actually like to see what Luis Alberto could be like in this (fully fit) Liverpool side. He's a good player. Maybe he doesn't have the pace or energy for a Klopp midfield but he is well able to pick a pass. Played very well against Bayern tonight.

Ottoman_1000

Fitz* wrote: »

You know, I'd actually like to see what Luis Alberto could be like in this (fully fit) Liverpool side. He's a good player. Maybe he doesn't have the pace or energy for a Klopp midfield but he is well able to pick a pass. Played very well against Bayern tonight.

Some difference between the 2 games tonight. There could have been 10 goals in this Bayern Lazio game...

yourdeadwright

Id fancy us against Chelsea more so than Atletico,

mikeym

I apologise for putting up the Talksport videos.

Any company related to The Sun shouldnt be mentioned here or given publicity.

Charlie19

mikeym wrote: »

I apologise for putting up the Talksport videos.

Any company related to The Sun shouldnt be mentioned here or given publicity.

Easy mistake, I didn't know there was any connection either.

gimli2112

I didn't know the connection either, although I'm sure I've been told before. I don't think there's a need to apologise over a genuine oversight. I'm sure i've referenced it in the past simply pulling stories from the internet

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/OliverKay/status/1364478612423008257?s=20

The White Wolf

Girly Gal wrote: »

Keita is overrated by some on here, he only made 18 league appearances last season (just 9 starts) and a lot of those were after the lockdown when the league was already wrapped up, tbf he probably was our best player after lockdown, but, those matches didn't really matter, the league was already wrapped up.
In matches that really matter, he hasn't really done it for us, especially on a consistent basis and that's allowing for all his injury issues. I'm happy to see him back as he's another option, but, not sure he's the answer to our current poor form as some on here seem to believe.

Whatever about Keita's ability it's all for nowt really - at this point I'd take a midfielder who is serviceable for our needs who might not be good as him but who is reliable for minutes played, simply because a trophy chasing team can't be depending on him.

Potential Underachiever

I guess we can all hope that this new fitness regime Keita has been on will make him more durable than he has been previously. I don't know exactly what's different but believe they are being extra extra safe with him and making sure if thats possible that he's ready to return.

yourdeadwright

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

I guess we can all hope that this new fitness regime Keita has been on will make him more durable than he has been previously. I don't know exactly what's different but believe they are being extra extra safe with him and making sure if thats possible that he's ready to return.

Some new head of the medical team or doctor or something along those lines came into the club in December I can't remember the title ,
Anyway he decided that Keita needed to work on his core & leg strength before retuning to the pitch that he was weak there and it was leading to more injuries , So he was given an extra month to build himself up in certain areas before returning ,


We will see does it do any good ,

Fitz*

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

I guess we can all hope that this new fitness regime Keita has been on will make him more durable than he has been previously. I don't know exactly what's different but believe they are being extra extra safe with him and making sure if thats possible that he's ready to return.

I'm a bit fan of Keita, and am probably one of the people that has made the off excuse for him too.

But I think this new fitness regime has a lot riding on it. Some people that still have a bit of faith in him to turn his fitness issues around and become more regularly available may lose that faith if he breaks down again. He really needs to get a run of games into him again.

Like he did at the end of last season where he was fit for the last 9 league games and played in all of them. He needs that again, at least. If he does have a run where he starts a weekend, plays 10 midweek and starts at the weekend again etc, I'll be happy with that.

Dec, Jan, some of February isn't much time for a new fitness regime to yield much fruit IMO if Keita was injury prone due to core strength deficiency or whatever the root cause is alleged to be.
Grain of salt stuff IMO.

yourdeadwright

Augeo wrote: »

Dec, Jan, some of February isn't much time for a new fitness regime to yield much fruit IMO if Keita was injury prone due to core strength deficiency or whatever the root cause is alleged to be.
Grain of salt stuff IMO.

Why keep him out for an extra extended period if they don't think it will help ,especially when we are on an absolute rotten run & struggling for bodies


Surely there must be some science to back up the thought process behind it ?

TitianGerm

Augeo wrote: »

Dec, Jan, some of February isn't much time for a new fitness regime to yield much fruit IMO if Keita was injury prone due to core strength deficiency or whatever the root cause is alleged to be.
Grain of salt stuff IMO.

I'd say the specialist working with him might know more about Kietas specific case than any of us on the internet.

yourdeadwright

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why keep him out for an extra extended period if they don't think it will help ,especially when we are on an absolute rotten run & struggling for bodies


Surely there must be some science to back up the thought process behind it ?

Well what was the science in rushing Fabinho back for the City game? Is it only Keita gets the science treatment? Maybe Keita just wasn't ready to come back before now, is he even ready now?

TitianGerm wrote: »

I'd say the specialist working with him might know more about Kietas specific case than any of us on the internet.

Time will tell how successful this specialists endeavours prove to be
Once can be sceptical of things you know.

yourdeadwright

Augeo wrote: »

Well what was the science in rushing Fabinho back for the City game? Is it only Keita gets the science treatment? Maybe Keita just wasn't ready to come back before now, is he even ready now?



Time will tell how successful this specialists endeavours prove to be
Once can be sceptical of things you know.

Decent point
Do we know if it was the same injury that Fabhino picked up or what it was ?

TitianGerm

Augeo wrote: »

Well what was the science in rushing Fabinho back for the City game? Is it only Keita gets the science treatment? Maybe Keita just wasn't ready to come back before now, is he even ready now?



Time will tell how successful this specialists endeavours prove to be
Once can be sceptical of things you know.

What'll happen is we'll get him back up to fitness and his national team will play him for 90 minutes in a meaningless match on a shambles of a pitch and he'll pick up another injury.

He had to be carried off the field in one of his last national team games. They didn't even have a stretcher.

yourdeadwright

Iv seen the name Rodrigo De Paul floating around twitter the last month and people saying Klopp is crazy to get him ,
Iv never seen him play a game but my god does he look good in highlights,
He'd defiantly spice up the midfield if he plays anything like his highlight packages ( I know they can be nonsense)

Has anyone seen his actually play ?

TitianGerm

TitianGerm wrote: »

What'll happen is we'll get him back up to fitness and his national team will play him for 90 minutes in a meaningless match on a shambles of a pitch and he'll pick up another injury.

He had to be carried off the field in one of his last national team games. They didn't even have a stretcher.

Oh right, won't the specialist help with ensuring he's more robust.......... I thought that was the plan?

TitianGerm

Augeo wrote: »

Oh right, won't the specialist help with ensuring he's more robust.......... I thought that was the plan?

No point being robust if you go with the national team if they throw individual plans out the window and just ignore players issues and play them no matter what.

Ottoman_1000

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iv seen the name Rodrigo De Paul floating around twitter the last month and people saying Klopp is crazy to get him ,
Iv never seen him play a game but my god does he look good in highlights,
He'd defiantly spice up the midfield if he plays anything like his highlight packages ( I know they can be nonsense)

Has anyone seen his actually play ?

One of my best mates is 1 of these self proclaimed "football hipster" ! He is obsessed with the Bundesliga and Serie A.! Anyway he told me about this fella a few seasons ago but apart from that I don't know much, I have seen him play a few times and he seems decent. But just checked and he is 26 now so coming into his career peak and his contract is not up until 2024 so he would cost decent coin if we were to go after him!! He is noting like we have among our current midfielders, closest comparison would be to Kieta!

Utopia Parkway

Looks like the Henderson injury is worse than they first thought. Looks like a 4 to 6 week job.

We'll struggle without Henderson............ and I know we struggled with him of late.

yourdeadwright

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Looks like the Henderson injury is worse than they first thought. Looks like a 4 to 6 week job.

Yesterday there was talk of a season ender so i'd take 4-6 weeks means he could be back for the next stage of the champions league ,
Of course if we get there,

1st legs 6th & 7th of April 2nd legs 13th &14th

rob316

Meh what can ya do, we were due a bad season. Regroup for next season, if we do finish outside of the top 4 I hope its outside of europe altogether.

robwen

https://twitter.com/Watch_LFC/status/1364546614749253634?s=19

Harry Palmr

That Dutch conditioning fella must be warming his hands on this season.

Fabinho, Wij, Milner, Ox, Keita, Jones and Thiago are the midfield options so?
Likely Fabinho will be CB for CL and some PL games even.
Fabinho will be available this weekend all going well.

Ottoman_1000

I see BILD have on there front page today that Klopp is poised to take over the German job next summer. Hopefully that gets nipped in the bud early as the last thing the team needs next season is weekly speculation on Klopp's position!!!

yourdeadwright

Ottoman_1000 wrote: »

I see BILD have on there front page today that Klopp is poised to take over the German job next summer. Hopefully that gets nipped in the bud early as the last thing the team needs next season is weekly speculation on Klopp's position!!!

Jurgen stated he would stated many times he will stay at least until his contract is up
Also why next summer ?
Doesn't make sense for Germany go through a world cup qualifying campaign and then change manger before the tournament ?

Would I be right in saying there is over a year between the last qualifier and the actually tournament ?

Fitz*

Jota back in full team training.
VVD on the grass doing some light individual training.
Henderson potentially out for the rest of the season.

It can't be all good news!

yourdeadwright

Fitz* wrote: »

Jota back in full team training.
VVD on the grass doing some light individual training.
Henderson potentially out for the rest of the season.

It can't be all good news!

Any word on Fab

Girly Gal

TitianGerm wrote: »

What'll happen is we'll get him back up to fitness and his national team will play him for 90 minutes in a meaningless match on a shambles of a pitch and he'll pick up another injury.

He had to be carried off the field in one of his last national team games. They didn't even have a stretcher.

Imagine asking a professional footballer to play 90 minutes!
To put things into perspective Keita has played less minutes than VVD, he's also just played slightly more than Kelleher. In a couple more matches Kabak will have overtaken him. I knew he had missed a lot of time, but, didn't realise he had missed that much time. You'd really have to question if it's worth keeping him especially if this new fitness routine doesn't work out.

yourdeadwright

No Fab or Milner in training pics

Fitz*

What are people's thoughts on where Jota will play when up to full fitness?

Assuming all forward players are fit, would you play him on the left, or up top? Drop Firmino? Even maybe drop Mane? Change of formation to 4-2-3-1 and accommodate all 4 players?

~Rebel~

Girly Gal wrote: »

Imagine asking a professional footballer to play 90 minutes!
To put things into perspective Keita has played less minutes than VVD, he's also just played slightly more than Kelleher. In a couple more matches Kabak will have overtaken him. I knew he had missed a lot of time, but, didn't realise he had missed that much time. You'd really have to question if it's worth keeping him especially if this new fitness routine doesn't work out.

The point is he'd only just come back from an injury and his return was being managed carefully - as all players are - and then the national team played him in every minute of their international break and he got reinjured.

Do you think it would be wise to start Jota on Sunday and give him 90 minutes 3 times in a week?

I understand Guinea's perspective - he's their talisman, and their only top level player. But what they've done over a few windows has been detrimental to his career and his health in the longer term.

Harry Palmr

Keep them rotating, I see no real reason to play them in a somewhat fixed position.

Girly Gal

~Rebel~ wrote: »

The point is he'd only just come back from an injury and his return was being managed carefully - as all players are - and then the national team played him in every minute of their international break and he got reinjured.

Do you think it would be wise to start Jota on Sunday and give him 90 minutes 3 times in a week?

I understand Guinea's perspective - he's their talisman, and their only top level player. But what they've done over a few windows has been detrimental to his career and his health in the longer term.

He rarely plays 90 mins even when there hasn't been internationals for awhile, he still gets injured, he's been at the club for 3 seasons and only played about 50 matches ( very few full 90 minutes), some players play that in one season. It's not all down to international duty, he's similar to Matip (who has no international duty) in that he can't play many consecutive matches without picking up injuries.

yourdeadwright

Fitz* wrote: »

What are people's thoughts on where Jota will play when up to full fitness?

Assuming all forward players are fit, would you play him on the left, or up top? Drop Firmino? Even maybe drop Mane? Change of formation to 4-2-3-1 and accommodate all 4 players?

Didn't we play a 4 4 2 with the all starting away to City ?


2-3-1 doesn't really work well because we have no real number 9 ,
Which is ability crazy given Klopp's here 6 years and we are yet to have a proper striker even as back up , He is actually yet to buy a single striker how has that even happened ,

I'd class Mo as nothing but a striker tbh................ he's no Ian Rush or a target man obviously but the vast majority of his goals are from inside the box and he scores plenty.