Haiti falls into civil war. It President refusing to stand down and attacking protest

Hangdogroad

Didnt Dinny O Brien have his fingers in some pie there?

Dyr

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Didnt Dinny O Brien have his fingers in some pie there?

He of the crap haircut was selling mobile networks to them, presumably he was so chastened by the process of being awarded a mobile contract by a corrupt minister in his homeland that he vowed to focus on flogging his wares only in places where governmental corruption is unheard of...places like... Haiti

And fair play to him

Jimbob1977

From one disaster to another.

o The Duvalier family plundering the country

o The Ton Ton Macoute militia terrorising the general public

o Voodoo and mysticism deeply engrained (although supposed to be Catholic)

o The devastating earthquake.

And check out the deforestation.

Google Earth has a stark picture of the border with the Dominican Republic.

The Dominican Republic side is lush and fertile. The Haitian side is completely devoid of vegetation. Everything chopped down for firewood.

Stovepipe

For charcoal,not always firewood. Money for reforestation stolen by the corrupt locals. The Dominicans specifically maintain a dense forest right on the border and do not allow any logging or mineral mining there. That's not because they are saints;it's just that they recognise how bad it could get if they allowed the kind of rampant logging that went on on the other side of the border.

whysobecause

Bambi wrote: »

Something does not have to be done.


Allowing an organisation as inept and corrupt as the UN to run the country is a recipe for disaster. The UN handled security in Haiti for a while post the earthquake, didnt work out too well and the Haitians didnt care for them what with the rapes etc.

I remember some stories of the UN soldiers enjoying the company of little Haitian girls.

ypres5

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

A recent finding has shown that the nation of Haiti might have some of the largest oil reserves in the world. The oil reserves are estimated that they could be larger than those of Venezuela

i suppose if biden does start up military interventions again it might be easier for them to do it in Haiti than in the middle east

Biafranlivemat

Haiti
99% Christian
100% Voodoo

randd1

whysobecause wrote: »

I remember some stories of the UN soldiers enjoying the company of little Haitian girls.

Very often at the behest of the parents too as they could make more money selling their daughter for one night with a soldier than they would make in a year. Kind of sums up the place.

If any word could be used to describe Haiti, its history, its politics, its traditions and the damage done to its people, I reckon most people would simply use the word tragic.

biko

The Clintons didn't help at all

"The Clintons robbed and destroyed Haiti"
https://www.africanexponent.com/post/7108-how-the-clintons-robbed-and-destroyed-haiti

"Their actions in the country were shameful and shouldn’t be defended…"
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/11/what-the-clintons-did-to-haiti

Thinkingaboutit

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

USA needs to conquer Hati, would take an afternoon. Needs someone to take it .

US troops entered in 1915, 2004 and 2010, although the first was the only invasion proper. It was not helpful. And it is hard to think of anything that is so downside only. And major aid is not particularly good. Recall the corruption involved whether from charities there (Oxfam) or through corrupt contracts. The Dominican Republic might seem a possible source of help, but traditionally neither liked each other. Haiti harshly ruled the Dominican Republic for a time from 1822 to 1822, and more recently there has been suspicion of Haitian migrants. Both have had dictators, but whereas Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo was aggressive in maintaining forest cover, Haitian emperors, kings and presidents did little as forest cover vanished, and flooding and low yields followed.

It isn't clear what could help. Foreign advisors tend to be for the benefit of their home country. Popular leaders become demagogues. Easing foreign investment might help, but this might not be popular. Easing migration means the active section depart. Maybe better trade ties, tilted towards Haiti?

whisky_galore

Some countries can't be helped or help themselves and this is one of them. Failed state.

fantaiscool

whisky_galore wrote: »

Some countries can't be helped or help themselves and this is one of them. Failed state.

Being colonized by France and having to pay a huge sum of money after their successful revolt had a really devastating effect. The behavior of France there was absolutely disgusting and they should be paying Haiti that money back, and some.

whysobecause

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

US troops entered in 1915, 2004 and 2010, although the first was the only invasion proper. It was not helpful. And it is hard to think of anything that is so downside only. And major aid is not particularly good. Recall the corruption involved whether from charities there (Oxfam) or through corrupt contracts. The Dominican Republic might seem a possible source of help, but traditionally neither liked each other. Haiti harshly ruled the Dominican Republic for a time from 1822 to 1822, and more recently there has been suspicion of Haitian migrants. Both have had dictators, but whereas Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo was aggressive in maintaining forest cover, Haitian emperors, kings and presidents did little as forest cover vanished, and flooding and low yields followed.

It isn't clear what could help. Foreign advisors tend to be for the benefit of their home country. Popular leaders become demagogues. Easing foreign investment might help, but this might not be popular. Easing migration means the active section depart. Maybe better trade ties, tilted towards Haiti?

The governments of the Dominican republic have not treated the Haitians well.
The army killed an estimated 17,000 to 35,000 Haitians in 1937.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_massacre

Biafranlivemat

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Haiti
99% Christian
100% Voodoo

^^^^^This.

whisky_galore

fantaiscool wrote: »

Being colonized by France and having to pay a huge sum of money after their successful revolt had a really devastating effect. The behavior of France there was absolutely disgusting and they should be paying Haiti that money back, and some.

Paying money back won't help for obvious reasons.

Dyr

whisky_galore wrote: »

Paying money back won't help for obvious reasons.

I'm pretty sure they were paying the French no because of their successful revolution but because the the French showed up with a Navy and the then presidente/emperor/chief buck cat of Haiti didnt fancy handing the reigns back to France so he agreed to an exorbitant amount in reparations

Would have been in Haitis long term interest if the French had taken it over again