Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

DessieJames

MarkY91 wrote: »

Just a holiday. Escaped the misery of Ireland and the brainwashed rte news followers for 16 days. Absolute bliss.

Masks on everywhere except the beach(about 95% compliance) temperature check and hand sanitizer before you can even get into a shop for a bottle of water.

Fast forward to yesterday, walking around Dublin, I felt like a fool wearing a mask as probably only 20% of others did the same.. no sanitizing enforcement or temperature checks anywhere I went.

We're an absolute disgrace.

sounds brilliant you done the right thing, i assume no direct flights coming back?

dead right about RTE and mainsteam media in general, absolute doom merchants, no wonder so many people are racked to bits with anxiety.

Tenzor07

RobitTV wrote: »

O'Leary is going to have some sort of promotional trick up his sleeve this summer. There is no way he is going to let the government dictate the rules for another summer and take away his business. He will either put all of his flights from Dublin and open up routes from Derry and Belfast and leave Dublin Airport like Chernobyl for the rest of the year or he will begin legal proceedings against the government.
The easiest option for him is to pull out of Dublin and the Republic of Ireland for the summer and lets see how the government get on when people aren't able to see loved ones or even travel to the UK from Dublin. Maybe Ryanair will offer free coaches from Dublin to Belfast :pac:
O'Leary does not put up with continuous nonsense. Whatever you think of the guy he isn't a fool.

He's said it before and will again, due to Irish Government restrictions he will take the base out of Ireland and maintain a small number of aircraft enough to maintain his Irish operating license.
They can service Ireland from UK bases easily now as there's little or no demand.
No Airline can make money on operating "Essential" flights only..

The State really needs to step in and offer proper funding to Irish airports and the Airlines that service it, otherwise we're back to the 1980's in terms of connectivity...very damaging to the long term prospects of Economic recovery of this country..
The above is something the bedwetters ignore when they prattle on about Frank&Una going to Lanzarote...

MarkY91

DessieJames wrote: »

sounds brilliant you done the right thing, i assume no direct flights coming back?

dead right about RTE and mainsteam media in general, absolute doom merchants, no wonder so many people are racked to bits with anxiety.

Flew home via Paris.

Had to show a negative PCR test before boarding in colombia and then again before boarding in Paris.


Paris - Dublin flight, a drunk Irish man refused to wear his mask (drunk and getting cheeky) his evening ended badly when he was heavy handily (rightly so) taken off the plane by 4 Garda. I was half expecting it to end up as a small newspaper article but seemingly not.

Red Silurian

Tenzor07 wrote: »

He's said it before and will again, due to Irish Government restrictions he will take the base out of Ireland and maintain a small number of aircraft enough to maintain his Irish operating license.
They can service Ireland from UK bases easily now as there's little or no demand.
No Airline can make money on operating "Essential" flights only..

The State really needs to step in and offer proper funding to Irish airports and the Airlines that service it, otherwise we're back to the 1980's in terms of connectivity...very damaging to the long term prospects of Economic recovery of this country..
The above is something the bedwetters ignore when they prattle on about Frank&Una going to Lanzarote...

Ryanair can avail of twss and furlough schemes for all Irish based staff, airports similarly, there are also grants being given out left right and centre, not sure there's much more the govt can do for Ryanair or airports

Tazz T

Dr. Em wrote: »

Derry airport has cancelled all Ryanair flights for the forseeable future because they can't get permission from the UK civil aviation authority. Derry airport has almost gone under more than once in the last few years due to failures in funding and we still haven't seen the full extent of the Brexit impact on airlines. Even without Covid, we could expect to see a few routes from Derry and Belfast being dropped.

Ryanair's Derry to Stansted route is running as normal. There's a flight out and back today. This is exactly what the airport needs.

Tazz T

RobitTV wrote: »

O'Leary is going to have some sort of promotional trick up his sleeve this summer. There is no way he is going to let the government dictate the rules for another summer and take away his business.

He will either put all of his flights from Dublin and open up routes from Derry and Belfast and leave Dublin Airport like Chernobyl for the rest of the year or he will begin legal proceedings against the government.
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The last legal case lost because the government said their legal team argued that the no non-essential travel rule was only 'advisory'. They haven't a leg to stand on now. He'll go through the courts with this argument first.

saabsaab

We all saw what happened at Christmas but still there are careless fools that are intent om bringing back some new deadly variant on their flight before the vaccine has been rolled out. Complete madness and we are so close.

Tenzor07

colmtheperson wrote: »

Ryanair can avail of twss and furlough schemes for all Irish based staff, airports similarly, there are also grants being given out left right and centre, not sure there's much more the govt can do for Ryanair or airports

Think of it like this, when no one is paying Taxes to the state then how do you keep the lights on?
You apply to the EU for money...

Same thing here, the Aviation industry, operators, airports etc. are all losing Millions upon millions a day..this is where the Government need to step in where the EU step in for the state...

I'd go into it more but the point is that the sector needs to be preserved so it can be in a position to help the state recover from this crisis...

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0209/1195992-oireachtas-transport-committee/

Dr. Em

Tazz T wrote: »

Ryanair's Derry to Stansted route is running as normal. There's a flight out and back today. This is exactly what the airport needs.

The Stansted route is operated by Loganair, not Ryanair. Ryanair won't be adding any routes to Derry or Belfast until they comply with the UK CAA.

RobitTV

They are talking about concerts by June / July in Majorca - Link

"It is anticipated that the public will be able to attend the concerts because of the decrease in the coronavirus infection rate. It remains to be seen what health measures and capacity restrictions will apply"

Any predictions about Ireland? :D

josip

colmtheperson wrote: »

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News from today - we are on track to have between 200-400 cases by the end of the month

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If the case rate decrease remains at current levels, we won't get below 400 cases until the 21st of March

Donald Trump

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The above is something the bedwetters ignore when they prattle on about Frank&Una going to Lanzarote...

One might alternatively surmise that the "mental health" snowflakes who can't cope with delaying their jaunt for a few months might be more likely to be the "bedwetters".

Tazz T

josip wrote: »

If the case rate decrease remains at current levels, we won't get below 400 cases until the 21st of March

Where does the 10% figure come from. That's some frightful statistical mathematics there, even allowing for exponential decay.

gozunda

Tazz T wrote: »

The last legal case lost because the government said their legal team argued that the no non-essential travel rule was only 'advisory'. They haven't a leg to stand on now. He'll go through the courts with this argument first.

Do you think he'll be taking a legal a case against the UK - where all holiday and leisure travel is actually illegal?

DessieJames

saabsaab wrote: »

We all saw what happened at Christmas but still there are careless fools that are intent om bringing back some new deadly variant on their flight before the vaccine has been rolled out. Complete madness and we are so close.

whats the whole point of the negative PCR test then if you cant travel, this alone is a major deterrent, at xmas you were only advised to get a test it wasnt mandatory

Overall though PCR tests are a waste of time, too expensive and too time consuming, rapid antigen tests are the way to go, cap the price at €25, they are currenctly charging €80 in Dublin airport which is scandalous, results in less than an hour, away you go, or not if you test positive.

Tazz T

gozunda wrote: »

Do you think he'll be taking a legal a case against the UK - where all holiday and leisure travel is actually illegal?

Nope, because it won't be illegal then.

Tazz T

Tazz T wrote: »

Where does the 10% figure come from. That's some frightful statistical mathematics there, even allowing for exponential decay.

Figuring in a realistic exponential decay constant, we should be under 400 on the 14th March.

I wouldn't calculate further than that based on unseen variables (variants or schools opening) and the fact I can't be bothered using the proper disintegration constant equation.

josip

Tazz T wrote: »

Where does the 10% figure come from. That's some frightful statistical mathematics there, even allowing for exponential decay.

My original post was https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116310927&postcount=495
I didn't want to dump the whole lot in again.

Daily numbers are from https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/ireland?country=~IRL
Until 4 days ago the week on week decrease was going well, >25%.
However that changed fairly dramatically and has since been consistently under 15% and decreasing.



Yesterday's 4.91% figure shouldn't be taken too seriously yet; the 543 cases from the 9th has a big impact, even on the averaged numbers. But I think it's safe to say that the weekly change is now down to 10% and it's trend is decreasing, not static.

caveat emptor

RobitTV wrote: »

O'Leary is going to have some sort of promotional trick up his sleeve this summer. There is no way he is going to let the government dictate the rules for another summer and take away his business.

He will either put all of his flights from Dublin and open up routes from Derry and Belfast and leave Dublin Airport like Chernobyl for the rest of the year or he will begin legal proceedings against the government.

The easiest option for him is to pull out of Dublin and the Republic of Ireland for the summer and lets see how the government get on when people aren't able to see loved ones or even travel to the UK from Dublin. Maybe Ryanair will offer free coaches from Dublin to Belfast :pac:

O'Leary does not put up with continuous nonsense. Whatever you think of the guy he isn't a fool.

Yeah it's not like any other airlines would want to take up the demand and avail of our extremely favourable tax regime as regards aviation and corporate tax. Good luck to him.

Those airports are more akin to the usual Ryanair ones. Underdeveloped, miles away from anywhere with little or no transportation links anyway.

Tazz T

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah it's not like any other airlines would want to take up the demand and avail of our extremely favourable tax regime as regards aviation and corporate tax. Good luck to him.

Those airports are more akin to the usual Ryanair ones. Underdeveloped, miles away from anywhere with little or no transportation links anyway.

It doesn't matter how 'favourable' our tax regime is, if no one's allowed to fly, other airlines won't find it very attractive.

Ryanair will have to do business to stay in business as their cash pot will be seriously stressed this year. And as you say 'those airports are more akin to the usual Ryanair ones' - fits right in with their business model then.

gozunda

Tazz T wrote: »

Nope, because it won't be illegal then.

Trouble is we don't know "when" will be. It certainly won't be Easter as some have been claiming. The U.K.’s transport secretary Grant Shapps said let week that "no one should be booking holidays right now “not domestically or internationally”, and that the UK prime minister had said it was “just too early” to know anything about what the situation would be like in the coming months.

But no need to wait however - he could do it now!

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

What s that about? I certainly don't feel any 'guilt' and afaik no one I know does either. The media is the media - and there's pretty much the same type of coverage and news in many other countries. Good idea to pay little or no attention to most of it tbf.

Ah now they did for months doom and gloom on all the media.It did upset elderly people including those in my own family who are now turning off rte. because they have found it all so negative and upsetting. Other countries I don’t know.

caveat emptor

RobitTV wrote: »

O'Leary is going to have some sort of promotional trick up his sleeve this summer. There is no way he is going to let the government dictate the rules for another summer and take away his business.

He will either put all of his flights from Dublin and open up routes from Derry and Belfast and leave Dublin Airport like Chernobyl for the rest of the year or he will begin legal proceedings against the government.

The easiest option for him is to pull out of Dublin and the Republic of Ireland for the summer and lets see how the government get on when people aren't able to see loved ones or even travel to the UK from Dublin. Maybe Ryanair will offer free coaches from Dublin to Belfast :pac:

O'Leary does not put up with continuous nonsense. Whatever you think of the guy he isn't a fool.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah it's not like any other airlines would want to take up the demand and avail of our extremely favourable tax regime as regards aviation and corporate tax. Good luck to him.

Those airports are more akin to the usual Ryanair ones. Underdeveloped, miles away from anywhere with little or no transportation links anyway.

Tazz T wrote: »

It doesn't matter how 'favourable' our tax regime is, if no one's allowed to fly, other airlines won't find it very attractive.

Ryanair will have to do business to stay in business as their cash pot will be seriously stressed this year. And as you say 'those airports are more akin to the usual Ryanair ones' - fits right in with their business model then.

Sorry I was responding to the points above. It kinda sounded like a threat if he doesn't get his own way.

If there is no demand then there is no demand.

4K to go on a 2 week holiday + a potential criminal record isn't really worth it for most nor could most afford it anyway.

Del Griffith

RobitTV wrote: »

O'Leary is going to have some sort of promotional trick up his sleeve this summer. There is no way he is going to let the government dictate the rules for another summer and take away his business.

He will either put all of his flights from Dublin and open up routes from Derry and Belfast and leave Dublin Airport like Chernobyl for the rest of the year or he will begin legal proceedings against the government.

The easiest option for him is to pull out of Dublin and the Republic of Ireland for the summer and lets see how the government get on when people aren't able to see loved ones or even travel to the UK from Dublin. Maybe Ryanair will offer free coaches from Dublin to Belfast :pac:

O'Leary does not put up with continuous nonsense. Whatever you think of the guy he isn't a fool.

I'm amazed they don't have a package deal with rapid testing from a pop up testing centre in the departure lounge, I'd be all over that. Irish covid test is about 130% more expensive than the European average price. Handy for O'Leary to undercut.

Test and fly. No brainer.

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah it's not like any other airlines would want to take up the demand and avail of our extremely favourable tax regime as regards aviation and corporate tax. Good luck to him.
Those airports are more akin to the usual Ryanair ones. Underdeveloped, miles away from anywhere with little or no transportation links anyway.

I've a matchbox and a pencil if you want to write down all your knowledge of how Airlines operate?

caveat emptor

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I've a matchbox and a pencil if you want to write down all your knowledge of how Airlines operate?

• Advertise.
• Take booking
• Run zombie flight
• Don't ever refund people ever, give them a voucher
• Take bail out
• repeat

Am I close? Of course you probably know more, I've only the newspaper to go off. I'm sure it's all a misunderstanding and the money is only resting in Ryanair's account.

Oct 15, 2020

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/airlines-operated-ghost-flights-to-avoid-refunds-hearing-told-1.4381684

Airlines owe at least €25 million to Irish consumers as a result of Covid-19 related flight cancellations with some of outstanding refunds dating back to the beginning of the crisis in March still not processed, an Oireachtas committee has been told.

At the hearing, Ryanair was accused of dragging its heels when processing refunds and playing different strands of legislation against each other in order to avoid returning money to travel agents which could subsequently be passed on to consumers.

The Oireachtas Transport Committee was also told on Wednesday airlines had been operating virtually empty ghost flights out of Ireland over the summer months to avoid issuing refunds to passengers unable to travel as a result of official restrictions imposed as a result of Covid-19.


The chief executive of the Irish Travel Agents Association (ITAA) Pat Dawson said Ryanair was refusing to pay money back to travel agents on the basis that EU Directive 261 which governs flight refunds in the event of cancellations requires them to pay money directly to consumers.

Del Griffith

Del Griffith wrote: »

I'm amazed they don't have a package deal with rapid testing from a pop up testing centre in the departure lounge, I'd be all over that. Irish covid test is about 130% more expensive than the European average price. Handy for O'Leary to undercut.

Test and fly. No brainer.

Rent of the space from the DAA and the cost of bringing a company in, hard to see how they could undercut the existing companies

Tenzor07

caveat emptor wrote: »

• Advertise.
• Take booking
• Run zombie flight
• Don't ever refund people ever, give them a voucher
• Take bail out
• repeat

Am I close? Of course you probably know more, I've only the newspaper to go off. I'm sure it's all a misunderstanding and the money is only resting in Ryanair's account.

Hope you're still in school or "work" for the Civil service!
:rolleyes:

Tenzor07

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Rent of the space from the DAA and the cost of bringing a company in, hard to see how they could undercut the existing companies

Why would a company rent space in the Terminal for testing when they already rent a part of the DAA car park at the Airport for testing?

caveat emptor

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Hope you're still in school or "work" for the Civil service!
:rolleyes:

Not sure what you mean but you'd want to be thick to believe that "we are just processing your refund" means you'll ever see your money again.

How come amazon can give you a refund pretty much immediately online?

Are Ryanair that behind in terms of payments?

How come they can take your money immediately but can't give it back immediately when they are supposed to.

With all your knowledge you'll have to explain that to me.

The fact they robbed a good chunk of the population of a refund for so long might have something to do with why demand is down.

Once bitten and all that.