Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Del Griffith

gozunda wrote: »

Well you do hold up Malta as perfect - yet your going on about here and yes things in Malta look fuking ropey tbh

Again with the counting of cases. You really are obsessed, frantically googling away there in the search for overseas negative news. Is the Irish negative news orgy not enough for you?

I'll say it again - you're missing the point. There is no obsession with daily cases here. It's not that people don't care, but they don't obsess, like you are doing right now, and no doubt do every day.
They get on with life, like I am right now.

gozunda wrote: »

Just as well Malta has a would class and well funded health care system #top 5 in the world even:rolleyes:

Now you are quoting yourself and adding the rolleyes? Ok.. weird but ok.

gozunda wrote: »

But yeah looks like some people in authority at least are concerned

 https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/covid-19-cases-climb-to-199-another-death-reported.852158

As for holding Malta up as perfect, I never said that either. What I said was the grass is greener. You are pointing out someone saying large crowds should be avoided.
Meanwhile Ireland is in level 5 lockdown, fining people 1000s of euro for approaching an airport and mulling over prison sentences if anyone steps outside of quarantine prison.

Which part of my sentence do you have issue with exactly?

gozunda wrote: »

And that's your error. Your proposal was to vaccinate the vulnerable and then bin all restrictions. I dont agree that the two are synonymous at all. My position does not mean i don't believe we can't start to roll back restrictions as vaccinations rates increase btw. So no it is not MY "plan (to) literally ... lock down until 2022 or beyond, no matter how long it takes, to vaccinate the entire population" Thats your own bizarre take on matters

Tbh no idea why though are bothered either way as you consider yourself safe where you are and that's fine. I'm sure we'll also be absolutely fine as well here tbh. That said If you are so convinced that your own way is the only true way forward maybe give Tony a call. Id say he'll be all ears

More gibberish.You said you wanted to wait and see what things were like when everyone was vaccinated.

I said that made no sense. It still doesn't. That's it.

faceman

beggars_bush wrote: »

What do you suggest?

Put al confirmed cases and close contacts in quarantine hotels

It’s the only way to be sure

Donald Trump

faceman wrote: »

Put al confirmed cases and close contacts in quarantine hotels

It’s the only way to be sure

FFS.


Wait til your anti-travel-restriction buddies hear about this.


We had a fella on complaining about tyranny and oppression and comparing himself to a war-torn refugee - Imagine telling that fella that now if someone decides he is a close contact that he will be rounded up and locked in a quarantine facility for two weeks. :pac:

gozunda

Del Griffith wrote: »

Again with the counting of cases. You really are obsessed, frantically googling away there in the search for overseas negative news. Is the Irish negative news orgy not enough for you? I'll say it again - you're missing the point. There is no obsession with daily cases here. It's not that people don't care, but they don't obsess, like you are doing right now, and no doubt do every day. They get on with life, like I am right now.

Thats very funny. That's simply the stats available online. Why? Does it kinda blow the whole idea that the grass is greener thing? The data does not lie.

And yet there you are in Malta "obsessed" with Ireland D

Del Griffith wrote: »

Now you are quoting yourself and adding the rolleyes? Ok.. weird but ok.As for holding Malta up as perfect, I never said that either. What I said was the grass is greener. You are pointing out someone saying large crowds should be avoided. Meanwhile Ireland is in level 5 lockdown, fining people 1000s of euro for approaching an airport and mulling over prison sentences if anyone steps outside of quarantine prison. Which part of my sentence do you have issue with exactly?More gibberish.

Your correct what you've written there is 'gibberish. And yes I included that link about rising infection rates there as It was evident you had not read it or ignored it. Hence the rolling of eyes.

As for restrictions here. Its quite simple. Dont travel for non essential reasons as advised = no fine. Its not difficult to understand now is it...

Del Griffith wrote: »

You said you wanted to wait and see what things were like when everyone was vaccinated. I said that made no sense. It still doesn't. That's it.

I dismissed your black and white thinking. Let me spell it out again for you. So yes its an idea we could wait and see what things were like when everyone was vaccinated. And It makes sense that as vaccinations rates increase we will be able to reduce those restrictions rather than throwing them all out in one go.

So no I do not agree with your bizarre belief of supporting a "lock down until 2022 or beyond, no matter how long it takes, to vaccinate the entire population"

Now I'm going to leave you at it - 'cos your argument has been well and truely busted.

Edit: meant to add that Malta has soom fairly impressive fines for "quarantine prison" (your words). No idea why your only picking on Ireland

http://esnmalta.org/restrictions-guidelines-and-measures

faceman

Donald Trump wrote: »

FFS.


Wait til your anti-travel-restriction buddies hear about this.


We had a fella on complaining about tyranny and oppression and comparing himself to a war-torn refugee - Imagine telling that fella that now if someone decides he is a close contact that he will be rounded up and locked in a quarantine facility for two weeks. :pac:

I knew you’d rumble me!

Of course I don’t agree with it. However we can’t talk quarantine hotels for one small aspect of covid and not the larger more impactful area though.

I do agree with stronger measures and enforcement of isolating at home etc. It just doesn’t exist in Ireland.

Also I’m not anti travel restrictions. But you already know that

Donald Trump

faceman wrote: »

I knew you’d rumble me!

Of course I don’t agree with it. However we can’t talk quarantine hotels for one small aspect of covid and not the larger more impactful area though.

I do agree with stronger measures and enforcement of isolating at home etc. It just doesn’t exist in Ireland.

Also I’m not anti travel restrictions. But you already know that

Well I didn't say you were anti-travel restrictions but you do have a few thread-buddies who definitely are



It's not feasible to monitor every single close contact. I was a close contact back in Jan when there were at 5-6k of new positive tests every day. I was never tested but I isolated of course.



It is relatively easy to have a high impact, for the cost, by having a few Gardai at the airport.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

Travel now accounts for just 0.5% of cases in Ireland while close contacts (unrelated to travel) accounts for 50.7%

Travellers are subjected to draconian measures
Close contacts are not subject to any measures at all

Are we learning yet Ireland?

Theres a legal difference in the two, thats the reality. Ignoring the practical aspects for a moment here. A non resident entering the state and being aware in advance that they must quarantine within a hotel is not nearly as tricky as taking residents from their homes. Best equality you could hope for is mandatory quarantine at home.

The real issue is what you do with people that break the law on quarantine. Prisons are already full so then what?

Happydays2020

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Well first up, do you know understand what the 5km limit applies to or do you remain ignorant?

Second and again, read the constitution and tell me what's being breached. This will be the third time of asking.

Fyi, the right to freedom of movement comes with a little 'and' afterwards. You know why? Because it doesn't apply to simple holidays. You have the right to move AND RESIDE in any eu nation within that nations regulations. You absolutely do not have an automatic right to holiday abroad within any constitution.

You have that right under eu agreements and again, such agreements are subject to a nations own rules and regulations. There's multiple nations that have restricted travel. Not just Ireland

I am done talking to you.

CruelSummer

Can anyone tell me what would happen if the EU and U.K. open up travel corridors this summer and Ireland remains in some sort of state of paralysis demonising anyone that wants to get a plane.

Del Griffith

gozunda wrote: »

Edit: meant to add that Malta has soom fairly impressive fines for "quarantine prison" (your words). No idea why your only picking on Ireland

http://esnmalta.org/restrictions-guidelines-and-measures

Hey brains.. that quarantine is for people that HAVE Covid-19. Did you forget that little difference? They only quarantine infected people in Malta, not healthy people.. imagine that. There's also free rapid testing in the airport. Imagine.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not going to waste my time rubbishing your points anymore because you just seem to insist on missing the point.

One last time..
Cases cases.. yes cases go up and down, like I said. Also like I said, no one here is obsessed with them, everything is still relatively normal, practically everything is open. Live is going on like normal.

I know this devastates you to hear that not everywhere is miserable and pretty much f*cked like Ireland but it's true. Sorry about that.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I am done talking to you.

Why? Because you were talking ****e and now that you have been challenged, you cant back it up with anything?

You made claims, surely its easy to point to a section of whatever constitution you think guarantees your right to a holiday in Spain? Surely you can show us all what constitutional right has been denied?

Del Griffith

CruelSummer wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what would happen if the EU and U.K. open up travel corridors this summer and Ireland remains in some sort of state of paralysis demonising anyone that wants to get a plane.

What would happen is this thread would still be going. That's about it, unfortunately.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what would happen if the EU and U.K. open up travel corridors this summer and Ireland remains in some sort of state of paralysis demonising anyone that wants to get a plane.

How could anyone say with any certainty what would happen in a hypotethical scenario that has never happened before?

We have access to the UK and the EU so it would depend on the conditions of the travel corridor, if the UK continued to allow Irish citizens enter unrestricted and if our level at the time allows any form of travel.

If we remain in level 5 then it will still be fines I would imagine but **** I hope not.

faceman

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well I didn't say you were anti-travel restrictions but you do have a few thread-buddies who definitely are



It's not feasible to monitor every single close contact. I was a close contact back in Jan when there were at 5-6k of new positive tests every day. I was never tested but I isolated of course.



It is relatively easy to have a high impact, for the cost, by having a few Gardai at the airport.

Its probably not feasible not given the numbers. But the state should and can be doing more. It has been recommended by the EU and WHO that antigen tests are used reguarly on close contacts who dont display symptoms for example

josip

CruelSummer wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what would happen if the EU and U.K. open up travel corridors this summer and Ireland remains in some sort of state of paralysis demonising anyone that wants to get a plane.

In that case there would be a lot of demand for the spare seats in our car landbridging across the UK in July

Heres the question, sure its been asked before;

If we vaccinate the majority of the population, lets say by the end of the year, we have all the people that want it done and thats including the old, vulnerable and people with underlying illnesses, why in ****s name cant we just get back to normal?

Why are we still being told to keep going for the long haul? Its not feasable to just accept this is the way things will be and if the vaccination isnt a solution, then what is?

Grueller Baby

CruelSummer wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what would happen if the EU and U.K. open up travel corridors this summer and Ireland remains in some sort of state of paralysis demonising anyone that wants to get a plane.

Up to Belfast and hop on a plane. Simple.

Grueller Baby

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Heres the question, sure its been asked before;

If we vaccinate the majority of the population, lets say by the end of the year, we have all the people that want it done and thats including the old, vulnerable and people with underlying illnesses, why in ****s name cant we just get back to normal?

Why are we still being told to keep going for the long haul? Its not feasable to just accept this is the way things will be and if the vaccination isnt a solution, then what is?

It's simple really, if that happens..... we riot.

faceman

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Heres the question, sure its been asked before;

If we vaccinate the majority of the population, lets say by the end of the year, we have all the people that want it done and thats including the old, vulnerable and people with underlying illnesses, why in ****s name cant we just get back to normal?

Why are we still being told to keep going for the long haul? Its not feasable to just accept this is the way things will be and if the vaccination isnt a solution, then what is?

NPHET will argue unknown variants. An excuse to close the doors forever.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

NPHET will argue unknown variants. An excuse to close the doors forever.

For what purpose? NPHET are living, breathing people too

Grueller Baby

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

For what purpose? NPHET are living, breathing people too

Living breathing people who are not bound by the 5k rule, can go out the door and into work each day. They don't spend their entire day stuck at home each day. They haven't felt any of the restrictions in the same way us peasants have.

Grueller Baby

Grueller Baby wrote: »

Living breathing people who are not bound by the 5k rule, can go out the door and into work each day. They don't spend their entire day stuck at home each day. They haven't felt any of the restrictions in the same way us peasants have.

right, so once again theres no 5km rule unless you are exercising. Its stated many many times.

secondly, over 80% of the workforce continue to work.

Third, They are restricted in travel just like you

fourth, I still go to work every single day but guess what? I dont get turned off and plugged in afterwards and neither do they. Im sure NPHET like to socialise

Stop with the class struggle.

gozunda

faceman wrote: »

Media polls are showing the public thirst for it, as are Prime Time, Joe Duffy and Boards.ie :P

Which media polls? You mean personal polls based on screamer media shows

faceman wrote: »

We need to stop the comparisons with New Zealand. Its a largely self sufficient economy who imports arrive on ships filled to the brim with contains rather than trucks on ferries each with individual containers. The virus doesn't discriminate between holiday makers in Tenerife and lorry drives in Rosslare.

As was detailed ie "yes know Ireland is not New Zealand btw" - its not a comparison.
Btw the above was a look at the type of restrictions which were being detailed. As far as I can see the UK and Germany particularly stand out as comparable in their level of restrictions to date. The most recent lockdown at level 5 was because we were rapidly moving toward having the highest infection rates in the World .

faceman wrote: »

Im not too familiar with a permit system in NZ, perhaps thats the case but I didn't believe it was. There is certainly no talk of it in Ireland and it looks like we will have one of the harshest quarantines in the western world

Here's the details on requesting access to NZ if you're interested.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-closures-and-exceptions/critical-purpose-reasons-you-can-travel-to-new-zealand

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/covid-19/border-closures-and-exceptions/how-to-request-to-travel

faceman wrote: »

We are on the same page, now is not the time for holidays. But it is a temporary ban that should be removed in a few months. IN the meantime though Ireland appears to be taken an all or nothing with the hotel quarantine which no doubt, will be extended to other countries. I fear that the nonsense talk of dentist trips hiding holidays will result in more EU countries being added to the category 2 list with no basis in science. Ireland will most likely keep the measure in place until 2022. While its a major deterrent for non essential travel, people who are travelling for essential reasons, family etc will pay the price needlessly.

At present - the changes here appear to be mirror the UK in a common approach across our CTA. Hence quarantine and restricted countries. Presuming all vaccination is rolled out - then things will startvl to change.

faceman wrote: »

And again we cant forget that we will allow confirmed cases and their close contacts roam free in Ireland without penalty or any checks to make sure they are quarantining.

What do other countries do in this regard? The UK are not locking up their confirmed domestic cases afaik. .

I came across this. What you think of a €10,000 fine as a penalty

link

CruelSummer

faceman wrote: »

NPHET will argue unknown variants. An excuse to close the doors forever.

And the irony is ‘variants’ already existed last year and will continue to exist into the future.

gozunda

Del Griffith wrote: »

Hey brains.. that quarantine is for people that HAVE Covid-19. Did you forget that little difference? They only quarantine infected people in Malta, not healthy people.. imagine that. There's also free rapid testing in the airport. Imagine. As for the rest of your post, I'm not going to waste my time rubbishing your points anymore because you just seem to insist on missing the point.
One last time.. Cases cases.. yes cases go up and down, like I said. Also like I said, no one here is obsessed with them, everything is still relatively normal, practically everything is open. Live is going on like normal.

I know this devastates you to hear that not everywhere is miserable and pretty much f*cked like Ireland but it's true. Sorry about that.

"Brains" now now.

Is that so? And wrong again. Not if you're coming from the UK for example ...

Maltese and other persons currently in the UK will be given the opportunity to return to Malta. Authorised returning persons will be requested to present a negative Covid-19 PCR test taken no longer than 72 hours prior to arrival in Malta; they will be subject to testing on arrival and 14 days of mandatory quarantine, with a repeat PCR test required on day 5-7 of quarantine.

https://foreignandeu.gov.mt/en/Pages/Travel-Advice.aspx

I know this devastates you to hear that not everywhere is miserable and pretty much f*cked like Ireland but it's true. Sorry about that

It doesn't you know. I think that's primarily your own view tbf ... 'nuff said.

Del Griffith

gozunda wrote: »

"Brains" now now.

Is that so? And wrong again. Not if you're coming from the UK for example ...



https://foreignandeu.gov.mt/en/Pages/Travel-Advice.aspx

Yes, the UK is outside the EU and on the red list. What exactly is your point, do you have one?

Do you realise how stupid you look frantically googling Maltese news and regulations in an effort to make it look harsh and "catch me out"?

I'm here. Life is perfectly fine. The main news today is about the legislation of cannabis for personal use.
Ireland is in ****e compared to here and most places. Get over it.

gozunda

Del Griffith wrote: »

Yes, the UK is outside the EU and on the red list. What exactly is your point, do you have one?

Do you realise how stupid you look frantically googling Maltese news and regulations in an effort to make it look harsh and "catch me out"?
I'm here. Life is perfectly fine. The main news today is about the legislation of cannabis for personal use. Ireland is in ****e compared to here and most places. Get over it.

Simply pointing out what was wrong with your comment.

This from your previous comment...

Del Griffith wrote:

They only quarantine infected people in Malta, not healthy people.. imagine that

Are you really now trying to argue that people from outside the EU are all "infected"?

As for how I "look" ...

Ah yes Google. Its very handy. Especially for travel information. Perhaps give it a try before putting the proverbial foot in the mouth again.

Still 'obsessed' with how here is "****e"? No matter

MarkY91

Grueller Baby wrote: »

Living breathing people who are not bound by the 5k rule, can go out the door and into work each day. They don't spend their entire day stuck at home each day. They haven't felt any of the restrictions in the same way us peasants have.

I'm all for opening the country up and all but who the **** is stopping you from leaving your house?

I've been abroad in 3 different continents in the past 8 months and do 10k step walks most days around nice walking spots in Dublin every weekend.

Why are you choosing to sit in your living room letting life pass you by?

normanoffside

At this stage I’d give any Gard €2k in cash to get the fcuk out of here.

Northernlily

Many who are away in this thread doesn't seem to be enjoying their freedom too much since they are posting the same hyperbolic nonsense here that they did before they left what they describe as "The Tyranny of Ireland".

When I got to Lanzarote for Christmas, the last place I wanted to be checking in on was the Covid forum. I was out on the beaches, hiking forgetting about the whole thing. Makes you wonder, I don't believe half them are even away and just filling some agenda.

Tyranny, peasants, elite all that guff being spouted is self hating immature nonsense. As another poster a few posts above rightly pointed out, no one is stopping you getting outside for walks.