Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Happydays2020

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It doesn't matter. They need a PCR to travel for essential reasons, proof of vaccination coming into Ireland won't matter unless coming from a country subject to MHQ.

Can carry the card as much as they want if coming into the country but it won't count for anything if someone comes for example from Spain to Ireland with a HSE card its not going to be asked for. Its not a government document. Its essentially an appointment card. It was pointed out to you this very point in another thread when you said the vaccinator told you it would get you into a pub.

So someone comes in with proof that they have been vaccinated by the HSE and they will still be locked up in MHQ? Not a chance will that fly. That will be another one of those cases where the State will not go to Court.

gozunda

Blut2 wrote: »

I'm not sure where you're getting any talk of the situation in the UK with. I've never mentioned the UK, the lay of the land there is completely irrelevant to anyone in Ireland wondering if their travel insurance is valid or not.I posted my first hand, direct experience of having traveled in the last year and being covered by my Irish travel insurance no problem. I advised anyone considering travel not to be put off by some posters, like apparently you, who haven't traveled or dealt with Irish travel insurance companies but yet post their opinions that they won't be insured as fact. That everyone should in-fact just ring their travel insurance provider and get a definitive answer.
You can keep posting links (that Citizens Information link also does not say all travel insurance is invalid, its an odd one to post, it simply advises people to check the terms of their travel insurance...) as much as you want. But at the end of the day you're posting about something you've admitted you've got no first hand experience of. People don't respect the opinions of someone who who posts about things they've never experienced, because they're essentially fantasists. I can state what its like to walk on the moon as if my opinion is fact, but its not very believable (or useful) when I've never done it personally is it?

Well you did join the conversation after it had started. Part of the original context was amber list countries in the UK. So your mistake there is fair enough. But as for the first highlighted bit - I never stated that btw - but the article from the UK travel company did detail current situation from AXA regarding covid related claims etc

As for the Second highlighted bit. Ah I see you're saying the same thing as me now. Thats fine. No disrespect but as you say anecdotal stories don't amount to that much on an anonymous Internet forum ...

For example I or anyone could claim that their brother / cousin / great aunt is the CEO of a insurance company or similar. See how that works?

Btw you seem to have ignored that I've provided relevant references- the first from a UK travel company which quotes AXA - the second from citizens information which clearly states the situation here. Take a Google, you'll find a load more out there.

This is the relevant bit for all those claiming otherwise.

Since March 2020, many insurers have changed aspects of their travel insurance policies, for example specifically excluding claims relating to COVID-19

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer/travel/travel_plans_and_covid19.html

stephenjmcd

Happydays2020 wrote: »

So someone comes in with proof that they have been vaccinated by the HSE and they will still be locked up in MHQ? Not a chance will that fly. That will be another one of those cases where the State will not go to Court.

If you've been vaccinated by the HSE you can request your vaccine record and get an official document if your planning on undertaking essential travel to a country on the MHQ list.

Like it or not the vaccine appointment card isn't an official document, its not a vaccine cert

Happydays2020

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If you've been vaccinated by the HSE you can request your vaccine record and get an official document if your planning on undertaking essential travel to a country on the MHQ list.

Like it or not the vaccine appointment card isn't an official document.

Any idea who I can make that request to once fully vaccinated?

stephenjmcd

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Any idea who I can make that request to once fully vaccinated?

Local health office. Can't imagine they can issue them at the moment with the lack of an IT system & it's a complete record of all your vaccinations.

The actual cert that'll be relating to covid will be available when the app launches in a few weeks and will also be available in hard copy

kilns

Here in Switzerland the official vaccine certificates become available on June 7, the fact that Ireland are incapable of producing the same certificate until mid August is embarrassing

Darwin

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Any idea who I can make that request to once fully vaccinated?

Do you not get a card when you are vaccinated showing the dates of your vaccination? I will know the answer to this in a few days, but surely this is enough proof (for returning from a MHQ country).

CruelSummer

Look at the absolute tripe we’re up against in this country. All started Friday with CMO’s black clouds. Then we get NPHET members out drumming up the worrymeters.
Now a Geography teacher / lecturer (ISAG member) acting as an immunologist / virologist - why is this guy given articles in the Independent in relation to an area he is unqualified to talk about?
Who are funding ISAG and why are they continuing to be given a platform here when they haven’t answered key questions as to their use of mis information to achieve their goals & terrorist manuals.
What’s seriously concerning is the clear coordination between NPHET and ISAG with this propaganda.

https://twitter.com/julienmercille/status/1396385403280691200?s=21

KanyeSouthEast

Now that is genuinely worrying.

saabsaab

They may be right about keeping out the Indian variant at this time.


'A Better Way Forward: Toward Elimination of Covid-19

The Independent Scientific Advocacy Group (I.S.A.G.) is a multidisciplinary group of scientists, academics, and researchers who have come together to advocate for a SARS-CoV-2 elimination strategy for the island of Ireland.

I.S.A.G. has published several papers outlining its strategy and recommendations, and you can find them in "Key Reports from the Group" below.

Founded by Anthony Staines, Gerry Killeen, and Tomás Ryan in June 2020, I.S.A.G. is independent of government. All of our members are volunteers and they freely commit their time every week to discuss the COVID-19 science that underpins the Irish and Northern Irish government’s response strategies.

If you have any queries or would like to support the group, please do not hesitate to contact us.'

Micky 32

CruelSummer wrote: »

Look at the absolute tripe we’re up against in this country. All started Friday with CMO’s black clouds. Then we get NPHET members out drumming up the worrymeters.
Now a Geography teacher / lecturer (ISAG member) acting as an immunologist / virologist - why is this guy given articles in the Independent in relation to an area he unqualified to talk about?
Who are funding ISAG and why are they continuing to be given a platform here when they haven’t answered key questions as to their use of mis information to achieve their goals & terrorist manuals.
What’s seriously concerning is the clear coordination between NPHET and ISAG with this propaganda.

https://twitter.com/julienmercille/status/1396385403280691200?s=21

One of the many reasons trying to keep the faith with the constant “ black clouds” negativity

Micky 32

saabsaab wrote: »

They may be right about keeping out the Indian variant at this time.


'A Better Way Forward: Toward Elimination of Covid-19

The Independent Scientific Advocacy Group (I.S.A.G.) is a multidisciplinary group of scientists, academics, and researchers who have come together to advocate for a SARS-CoV-2 elimination strategy for the island of Ireland.

I.S.A.G. has published several papers outlining its strategy and recommendations, and you can find them in "Key Reports from the Group" below.

Founded by Anthony Staines, Gerry Killeen, and Tomás Ryan in June 2020, I.S.A.G. is independent of government. All of our members are volunteers and they freely commit their time every week to discuss the COVID-19 science that underpins the Irish and Northern Irish government’s response strategies.

If you have any queries or would like to support the group, please do not hesitate to contact us.'

… and when the next variant comes along after this scariant rinse and repeat, right?:rolleyes:

Whatever would we do without Staines, Killeen and Ryan, eh?

CruelSummer

saabsaab wrote: »

They may be right about keeping out the Indian variant at this time.


'A Better Way Forward: Toward Elimination of Covid-19

The Independent Scientific Advocacy Group (I.S.A.G.) is a multidisciplinary group of scientists, academics, and researchers who have come together to advocate for a SARS-CoV-2 elimination strategy for the island of Ireland.

I.S.A.G. has published several papers outlining its strategy and recommendations, and you can find them in "Key Reports from the Group" below.

Founded by Anthony Staines, Gerry Killeen, and Tomás Ryan in June 2020, I.S.A.G. is independent of government. All of our members are volunteers and they freely commit their time every week to discuss the COVID-19 science that underpins the Irish and Northern Irish government’s response strategies.

If you have any queries or would like to support the group, please do not hesitate to contact us.'

So you’re an ISAG supporter then?
I have questions they haven’t and seem to refuse to answer.
1. Why did they distribute Saul Alinksy’s terrorist manual to their members as a way to manipulate the Irish public?
2. Why did they encourage their members to sow doubt, fear and increase anxiety in the Irish population at every turn or every time the Government tried to reopen anything?
3. Why did they encourage their members to attack the individual and not an institution - as individuals are weaker?
4. Why did Tomás Ryan last week claim with zero evidence which he did state - that Covid could increase the chances of autism in pregnancy live on an ISAG video?
5. Why have they not corrected many other false claims they’ve made in the last 12 months for example, Tomás Ryan live on Prime Time claiming that hundreds of children would die, Gabriel Scally on rte radio 1 that 1 in 7 children would get long Covid, and so many more.
6. Why are presenters such as Claire Byrne during the week, Matt Cooper and Philip Boucher Hayes previously allowed to chair interviews in which they are no way impartial against elected officials of our State?

Lumen

saabsaab wrote: »

They may be right about keeping out the Indian variant at this time.

It's already here.

pouladuff_goal

We have control of our border. If it is that important then MHQ for those crossing the border.

Now there is no chance we will do that nor should we. So absolutey no point in putting MHQ in place for the UK and still let everybody in and out via Belfast as per Christmas.

saabsaab

Lumen wrote: »

It's already here.

Yes but not out of control no point in importing more. I don't think zero covid is realistic now but until most are vaccinated it's best to restrict air travel. Especially from areas where there are new variants.

Micky 32

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes but not out of control no point in importing more. I don't think zero covid is realistic now but until most are vaccinated it's best to restrict air travel. Especially from areas where there are new variants.

Well with 300k vaccinations planned for this week (290k put into arms last week including my own) shouldn’t take us long to get to the “until most are vaccinated “ status

gozunda

CruelSummer wrote: »

Look at the absolute tripe we’re up against in this country. All started Friday with CMO’s black clouds. Then we get NPHET members out drumming up the worrymeters.

Now a Geography teacher / lecturer (ISAG member) acting as an immunologist / virologist - why is this guy given articles in the Independent in relation to an area he is unqualified to talk about?
Who are funding ISAG and why are they continuing to be given a platform here when they haven’t answered key questions as to their use of mis information to achieve their goals & terrorist manuals.
What’s seriously concerning is the clear coordination between NPHET and ISAG with this propaganda.

https://twitter.com/julienmercille/status/1396385403280691200?s=21

What are you on about?

ISAG have nothing to do with the government or even Nphet.

Though it does look like the UK is increasingly facing travel restrictions from a number of EU countries. For example.

Germany is banning travel from UK over Covid Indian variant - where all travellers arriving from the UK will have to submit to a quarantine period of two weeks, regardless of whether they can provide a negative test result for the virus.

Also France is planning putting the UK in a health category of its own, "somewhere in between the strictest measures imposed by France on visitors from India and 15 other countries, and more relaxed requirements for visitors from the EU and some other nations.

jellies

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well with 300k vaccinations planned for this week (290k put into arms last week) shouldn’t take us long to get to the “until most are vaccinated “ status

Yep. And therefore we should be implementing the EU Digital Green Certificate from day 1. Not six weeks later.

Lumen

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes but not out of control no point in importing more. I don't think zero covid is realistic now but until most are vaccinated it's best to restrict air travel. Especially from areas where there are new variants.

I agree that for now we should restrict air travel from GB to vaccinated people (and their PCR tested children), if only to stop other EU countries lumping us in with them.

Preventing the vaccinated from traveling is just stupid.

I don't know if it would work though, cos border.

gozunda

Micky 32 wrote: »

There were no attacks on any posters from me. I attacked the condescending waffling post you made toward said poster. Simple as that. Seeya

Ah my bad only saw this now...
So changed the subject to your comments? OK.
Tbf the only 'waffling' i see comes from your comments constantly berating and winding up others. To- date I've seen some awful excuses by way of discussion but those same comments take the biscuit for sure. But hey no matter.

saabsaab

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well with 300k vaccinations planned for this week (290k put into arms last week including my own) shouldn’t take us long to get to the “until most are vaccinated “ status

That's the plan, yes.

Micky 32

A bit of info :

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-to-give-clarity-on-aviation-indoor-hospitality-and-events-next-week-1131603.html

ZX7R

Micky 32 wrote: »

A bit of info :

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-to-give-clarity-on-aviation-indoor-hospitality-and-events-next-week-1131603.html

Encouraging to hear the opposition is in favour of quick implementation

Gael23

Is MM getting his €2000 fine for going to Brussels?

sy_flembeck

ZX7R wrote: »

Encouraging to hear the opposition is in favour of quick implementation

Absolutely. Everything else they have shouted for has been implemented!

afatbollix

Well flew in on Friday, It was just great to get on a plane.

I had 2 negitive PCR tests in the two days beforehand. Bit of a queue at passport control mostly due to a shift change.

But a quick look at the results, locator form and asking for proof of vaccinations, and we were through.

Been great being home, Out walking the land, and showing off my 6 month old to her granny.

I'm glad it's all getting back to normal. Isn't it weird I can come in yet if I lived here I would be fined 2k!

Van.Bosch

Gael23 wrote: »

Is MM getting his €2000 fine for going to Brussels?

Yeah of course, he has 2k worth of Bitcoin left from some deals last week.

gozunda

afatbollix wrote: »

Well flew in on Friday, It was just great to get on a plane.

I had 2 negitive PCR tests in the two days beforehand. Bit of a queue at passport control mostly due to a shift change.

But a quick look at the results, locator form and asking for proof of vaccinations, and we were through.

Been great being home, Out walking the land, and showing off my 6 month old to her granny.

I'm glad it's all getting back to normal. Isn't it weird I can come in yet if I lived here I would be fined 2k!

The fine is simply to discourage non essential travel to help keep the infection rate down whilst everyone gets vaccinated.

I too will be glad when things get back to normal ...

afatbollix

gozunda wrote: »

The fine is simply to discourage non essential travel to help keep the infection rate down whilst everyone gets vaccinated.

I too will be glad when things get back to normal ...

Shouldn’t I be fined the 2k so? Wouldn’t that make more sense? To keep us bad people out?