Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

M_Murphy57 · 27-05-2021 10:39am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Strange that there are no leaks yet!

What?!

Did you not hear? Indoor dining and aviation either early July, mid July or August. Is that not enough detail for you?

40-45 can register for vaccine "soon" and in "coming days"

CTA will either be opened with no restrictions whatsoever because the indian variant is not concerning, or UK travellers will be added to the MHQ list because the Indian variant is very concerning.

Maybe a 105 minute indoor dining limit all summer or maybe not.

That's very clear to me.

copeyhagen · 27-05-2021 10:45am

bubblypop wrote: »

FFS
Full godwin.

it was suppsoed to be tongue in cheek ffs, i was hardly comparing them to Nazis :rolleyes:

Dr. Em · 27-05-2021 10:47am

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Woo! May it continue.

josip · 27-05-2021 11:20am

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Interesting to see the changes (purely from a colour coding perspective) over the past 2 weeks.

kilns · 27-05-2021 11:23am

Dr. Em wrote: »

Woo! May it continue.

Cases are dropping dramatically everywhere, look at France, next week they will turn yellow also their 7 day average has been been cut by 50% every 14 days from this day last month it was around 30,000 cases now it is around 8000 cases

OPEN UP IRELAND

gozunda · 27-05-2021 11:24am

Diarmuid wrote: »

You're welcome to start a thread on boards.pt about that.

Why? That's part of the article you linked and refers to the same issue happening between the UK and Portugal as well as between the UK and Ireland due to UK regulations on PCR tests

Kinda negates the whole idea of Ireland sabotaging itself or whatever...

Lumen · 27-05-2021 11:26am

kilns wrote: »

Cases are dropping dramatically everywhere

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

kilns · 27-05-2021 11:27am

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

wow ok, almost everywhere

gozunda · 27-05-2021 11:28am

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

Lots of variation tbh.

Sweden looks particularly out of sync ... :eek:

Italy and eastern Europe seem to be making very good progress.

brickster69 · 27-05-2021 11:31am

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

The reason the cases are so low is the lack of testing going on. If you look at the deaths compared to cases some countries are currently at 10% which is not normal.

Lumen · 27-05-2021 11:35am

brickster69 wrote: »

The reason the cases are so low is the lack of testing going on. If you look at the deaths compared to cases some countries are currently at 10% which is not normal.

The combined measure of case rate and positivity rate should deal with this, since if there's only testing of diseased people the positivity rate shoots up.

The charts under discussion used the combined measure.

Lumen · 27-05-2021 11:40am

kilns wrote: »

wow ok, almost everywhere

What's happening is that a few countries (like France) are coming off the end of waves of infection, but countries with low levels of infection (like Ireland and the Nordics) have stopped making progress for now.

The distinction is important in this thread, since it's possible based on past statements that we will have completely unrestricted travel from green countries.

This matters for families and young people who can't be vaccinated yet, but might get tripped up by a PCR test a couple of days before departure.

Based on the experience of the UK and Israel we should see the infection and positivity rates start to drop everywhere in the EU within the next few weeks.

TomSweeney · 27-05-2021 11:44am

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

So green is less than 25 cases per 100k ?

Impossible to achieve even with vaccination for an endemic virus.
This sh1tshow will never end.
We see here in Spain it always bottoms out at around 100/100k, then starts to rise again because all of this is a series of peaks and valleys.

As more and more are vaccinated using case rate is pointless - yet they still do so - Why ? why ????

WHY ????

Lumen · 27-05-2021 11:46am

TomSweeney wrote: »

So green is less than 25 cases per 100k ?

Impossible to achieve even with vaccination for an endemic virus.

There are several green countries already, so you are literally denying reality.

Ray Donovan · 27-05-2021 11:47am

TomSweeney wrote: »

So green is less than 25 cases per 100k ?

Impossible to achieve even with vaccination for an endemic virus.
This sh1tshow will never end.
We see here in Spain it always bottoms out at around 100/100k, then starts to rise again because all of this is a series of peaks and valleys.

As more and more are vaccinated using case rate is pointless - yet they still do so.

This 100%. Case rates are irrelevant now.

Hospitalisation and ICU numbers should be the focus. And that is pretty low.

TomSweeney · 27-05-2021 11:48am

Lumen wrote: »

There are several green countries already, so you are literally denying reality.

Must be because they just aren't testing, do you really think less than 25 people in a population of 100,000 have covid ?

Remember this virus is endemic.

M_Murphy57 · 27-05-2021 11:51am

kilns wrote: »

Cases are dropping dramatically everywhere, look at France, next week they will turn yellow also their 7 day average has been been cut by 50% every 14 days from this day last month it was around 30,000 cases now it is around 8000 cases

OPEN UP IRELAND

Amazing they managed to do this without 7 months of level 5 restrictions too. I think it was 4 weeks last month where they had a milder version of what we were subjected to (bar a 3 week break) since last october and yet they still managed to get case nos down.

It's as if our old sledge hammer for a nut approach is poor risk management that makes the cure worse than the disease and only succeeds in needlessly destroying our own economy.

josip · 27-05-2021 11:53am

TomSweeney wrote: »

...We see here in Spain it always bottoms out at around 100/100k, then starts to rise again because all of this is a series of peaks and valleys.
...

This phase will be different, we have vaccines this time around.
As long as each country can get to herd immunity over the summer, the cycle will break.

Lumen · 27-05-2021 11:58am

TomSweeney wrote: »

Must be because they just aren't testing, do you really think less than 25 people in a population of 100,000 have covid ?

Remember this virus is endemic.

Israel is doing 2.5 tests/100k people/day. That's more than Germany. Israel's positivity rate is 0.1% and they have around 3 new cases a day per million people.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to counter with facts opinions just sharted out of your head.

Dr. Em · 27-05-2021 12:26pm

It is a bit strange that Hungary's cases are about the same as Ireland with the number they are vaccinating. Does anyone have any insights?

Lumen · 27-05-2021 12:28pm

Dr. Em wrote: »

It is a bit strange that Hungary's cases are about the same as Ireland with the number they are vaccinating. Does anyone have any insights?

Chinese and Russian vaccines.

Tazz T · 27-05-2021 12:33pm

Lumen wrote: »

Chinese and Russian vaccines.

China's Sinopharm is crap. It's not dealing with some variants. There was a big spike in the seychelles where more than half of the population got Sinopharm, but the south african and UK variant was still infecting people.

Tenzor07 · 27-05-2021 12:39pm

Tazz T wrote: »

China's Sinopharm is crap. It's not dealing with some variants. There was a big spike in the seychelles where more than half of the population got Sinopharm, but the south african and UK variant was still infecting people.

Why's that Important? (in general) as you can still catch the virus with any vaccine?

Those vaccines are still 60 or 80% effective against the Corona, so if they keep people out of hospitals and if you do contract the virus then it's nothing more than a dose of the flu would be?

We have to all move away from using case numbers as a reason to close borders and move to hospitalizations and health service capacity etc..

Wallander · 27-05-2021 12:39pm

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

That'll be the Lapland variant getting ready to hit us in time for Christmas

josip · 27-05-2021 1:08pm

Wallander wrote: »

That'll be the Lapland variant getting ready to hit us in time for Christmas

Sounds like the script for a Mankell book

M_Murphy57 · 27-05-2021 1:45pm

Wallander wrote: »

That'll be the Lapland variant getting ready to hit us in time for Christmas

I heard it sees us when were sleeping and knows when were awake. It knows if we've been bad or good too.

Ms.Sunshine · 27-05-2021 1:53pm

What do ye predict will be said tomorrow with regards UK travel ? End of self isolation for them coming here ?

dashoonage · 27-05-2021 1:55pm

Wallander wrote: »

That'll be the Lapland variant getting ready to hit us in time for Christmas

Sky news are reporting the possibility of an Olympic Variant from the Olympic games...

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Unthought Known · 27-05-2021 1:57pm

dashoonage wrote: »

Sky news are reporting the possibility of an Olympic Variant from the Olympic games...

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

There's no hope then. That variant will be fitter and stronger than anything we've faced!

Multipass · 27-05-2021 1:59pm

dashoonage wrote: »

Sky news are reporting the possibility of an Olympic Variant from the Olympic games...

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Brilliant, I’m going out of my way to catch that one :pac:

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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