Why are 'anti racist' NGO's so racist to the Irish? *Threadbanned user list in OP*

Strumms

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Which NGOs campaign against having two holidays a year and a Mercedes in your driveway?

Any and all that advocate tax resources that are raised by Irish workers yet a huge chunk goes towards facilitating the wellbeing, health and safety of people in other countries or those who recently arrived here..

Strumms

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Surely given your enthusiasm for "living in a democracy", you'd be happy with higher taxes implemented by a democratically elected government?

But again, which NGOs are you referring to?

You can Democratically elect but you have very little say as to their behaviors when they get in.

Hans Zomer of Dochas is one, google is your friend though.

AndrewJRenko

Howard Beale wrote: »

INAR. Hes also the head crusty off the unemployable dregs in Antifa.

Don't know why you love him so much anyway

.

So you're saying that Mark Malone is an employee of INAR?

While also apparently head of an organisation of unemployable people?

You're contradicting yourself a bit there, but why do you think he's with INAR?

Howard Beale

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So there is no NGO, is there?

You do seem very well connected to far right social media circles.

It looks like quite a few of your buddies think you might have a case of mistaken identity.

Personally, I suspect it was a false flag operation by extreme right organizations.

"Very well connected" because I can type 3 words into youtube and find a video link?

You should try it yourself sometime looking things up. Would help with getting things arzeways in every second post you put up!

AndrewJRenko

Strumms wrote: »

You can Democratically elect but you have very little say as to their behaviors when they get in.

Hans Zomer of Dochas is one, google is your friend though.

Zomer doesn't work for Dochas.

Presumably the "huge funding" you mention is the 0.7% commitment to overseas aid? There's a long tradition to overseas aid in Ireland. It's called "living in a democracy".

AndrewJRenko

Howard Beale wrote: »

"Very well connected" because I can type 3 words into youtube and find a video link?

You should try it yourself sometime looking things up. Would help with getting things arzeways in every second post you put up!

YouTube isn't really the obvious choice though, unless you had seen that video before?

but why do you think he's with INAR?

You'll be relieved to hear that there were no black people talking about racism on Tommy Tiernan's show tonight, so it's safe for you to watch. It does push up the inaccuracy level of your claim by another notch.

Strumms

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Zomer doesn't work for Dochas.

Presumably the "huge funding" you mention is the 0.7% commitment to overseas aid? There's a long tradition to overseas aid in Ireland. It's called "living in a democracy".

He certainly did when he explained that view.


I’ve not committed to anything and people should be of the ability to ensure the government of the day meet its commitments to the citizens here rather than those of and from elsewhere.

AndrewJRenko

Strumms wrote: »

He certainly did when he explained that view.


I’ve not committed to anything and people should be of the ability to ensure the government of the day meet its commitments to the citizens here rather than those of and from elsewhere.

That's not how "living in a democracy" works though. If the majority government elected by the majority of the people supports continuing a very modest degree of overseas aid, then that's democracy.

AndrewJRenko

Howard Beale wrote: »

INAR. Hes also the head crusty off the unemployable dregs in Antifa.

Don't know why you love him so much anyway

Heres a post of his on Twitter from 11th Febuary.

Quote
"When challenged about his 'all lives matter' spiel given its a specific troupe taken up by white supremacists in the US to deny deep structural racism - and to support fashy cops- FG's Joe Kavanagh pushed back. What a complete dick." End quote

Someone is a white supremacist now if they say all lifes matter.

Thats the level of lunacy you admire.

Surely as a free speech advocate, you would be all in favour of Malone's right to put his opinion out there?

fantaiscool

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Surely as a free speech advocate, you would be all in favour of Malone's right to put his opinion out there?

lol, im enjoying your work in this thread!:D

Strumms

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's not how "living in a democracy" works though. If the majority government elected by the majority of the people supports continuing a very modest degree of overseas aid, then that's democracy.

Were they ever asked ? Any of us ? The last budget despite covid committed an overseas aid budget of 30 million from us here...

Nobody asked me, nobody asked anybody...

AndrewJRenko

Strumms wrote: »

Were they ever asked ? Any of us ? The last budget despite covid committed an overseas aid budget of 30 million from us here...

Nobody asked me, nobody asked anybody...

Did you ask the politicians before you voted for them?

Or maybe you should have set up an NGO to campaign for not doing overseas aid? Come up with a catchy title like ;

Society for
Extracting
Lovely
Funds
Intended for
Starving
Humans

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Did you ask the politicians before you voted for them?

Or maybe you should have set up an NGO to campaign for not doing overseas aid? Come up with a catchy title like ;

Society for
Extracting
Lovely
Funds
Intended for
Starving
Humans

Ahhh charities and NGO's love shouting at the government for money, 97% never actually arrives at the end destination. Most of it is taken up with salaries, advertisings, BAH, Rents, conferences etc etc. So its like a bit of jobs doing doing for the good old boys

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Ahhh charities and NGO's love shouting at the government for money, 97% never actually arrives at the end destination. Most of it is taken up with salaries, advertisings, BAH, Rents, conferences etc etc. So its like a bit of jobs doing doing for the good old boys

And your source for this 97% claim is?

stefanovich

Howard Beale wrote: »

See that's the kind of brainless devoid of all logic talk I mean. You refer to a mild mannered primary school teacher (Peter O Loughlin) and a wealthy businesswoman Univeristy lecturer (Dolores Cahill) as far right. No they are not.They aren't even close.

To you anyone who disagrees with you on anything is 'far right' It's snowflake nonsense. Don't pop my bubble thing, God forbid you might hear an opinion that disagrees with your echo chamber.

Far right is neo fascism and neo nazism. Neither of which exist in Ireland in any way shape or form at all to say it does is simply lying.

The national party are assholes. IFP are decent although their attitude to COVID was less than impressive.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And your source for this 97% claim is?

Werent Trocaire accused of shoring up their own pension funds a few years back?
That is taught in 1st year geography a few years back. Charity and Funds rarely reach its destination and are often tied to products from the origin country.

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Werent Trocaire accused of shoring up their own pension funds a few years back?
That is taught in 1st year geography a few years back. Charity and Funds rarely reach its destination and are often tied to products from the origin country.

So you made up the 97% figure, thought so.

Strumms

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Did you ask the politicians before you voted for them?

Or maybe you should have set up an NGO to campaign for not doing overseas aid? Come up with a catchy title like ;

Society for
Extracting
Lovely
Funds
Intended for
Starving
Humans

No, I don’t need to, Programme for Government which is available online or email them would inform...

Ohhh how witty, selfish ! I don’t see anything selfish about wanting the revenue generated on the backs of hard work by people in this country, to be put back into helping them when needed...next time when you do your shopping, hand over 200 euros, see how happy you are when they bag and hand you 100 euro worth of stuff... sound ok does it ?

In 16/17 when I needed treatment for a rare medical issue that will take the lives of 15% of sufferers and fûck up a high proportion of the rest who suffered from it, i was told, no not paying for it, by ‘my government’... I spoke to a 24 year old kid who needed funding for the NRH, wheelchair bound but with a good prognosis depending on more expert specialist help...guess what, he was told to piss off too...

Luckily I found what I needed privately, a stunning amount of expertise and kindness, now I can run....drive, play tennis whatever... no thanks to this or the previous governments...

AndrewJRenko

Strumms wrote: »

No, I don’t need to, Programme for Government which is available online or email them would inform...

Ohhh how witty, selfish ! I don’t see anything selfish about wanting the revenue generated on the backs of hard work by people in this country, to be put back into helping them when needed...next time when you do your shopping, hand over 200 euros, see how happy you are when they bag and hand you 100 euro worth of stuff... sound ok does it ?

In 16/17 when I needed treatment for a rare medical issue that will take the lives of 15% of sufferers and fûck up a high proportion of the rest who suffered from it, i was told, no not paying for it, by ‘my government’... I spoke to a 24 year old kid who needed funding for the NRH, wheelchair bound but with a good prognosis depending on more expert specialist help...guess what, he was told to piss off too...

Luckily I found what I needed privately, a stunning amount of expertise and kindness, now I can run....drive, play tennis whatever... no thanks to this or the previous governments...

Strange how you complain about the restrictions in health services but abhor the possibility of increasing taxes to pay for better services?

Is overseas aid the only possible target to fund the health services you need? How about cutting back all the subsidies and services to businesses instead?

Strumms

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Strange how you complain about the restrictions in health services but abhor the possibility of increasing taxes to pay for better services?

Is overseas aid the only possible target to fund the health services you need? How about cutting back all the subsidies and services to businesses instead?

So you want to penalize the business community as well as the ordinary tax payer, in order to jettison copious amounts of money generated by the ordinary citizens and businesses out of the country...? That’s just weird to be honest.

Plenty of money put to use in the health services, just not used well enough....unfortunately look who we’ve had in charge... FG, the most useless, dictatorial, self serving, anti citizen, corruption, snugglers.

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you made up the 97% figure, thought so.

No,no no, remember a few years back the Vuture funds were masking as charities? Throw a few thousand at a problem while using laws not to pay tax? That is well known tricks. Most of the money donated gets consumed in rents, pensions salaries, advertising, etc etc

Anyone remember a few years back Every CEO of a charity was surveyed? The least of them were on 80k, most were on 200k and the one at UNHRC Gerry Ryan ex girlfriend was on about 300k and she was doing it at a "bargain price". My missus cancelled her Trocaire one and they were back on her like white on rice. The charities share information with each other, my uncle gave a generous Donation to John of God and Saint Vincent De PAul were onto to him the following month to make a donation in his will. That killed that golden goose.

Who wants to talk about Angela Kerins or the National Children's hospital shennigans?

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you made up the 97% figure, thought so.

Lets have a look at Console? No not the gaming (I must admit that I have an xbox bias)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/give-me-a-crash-course-in-charities-controversy-1.2715293

Now how much of that money ended up with the end user?

Dont take my word for it lets hear from the OECD : https://www.oecd.org/tax/exchange-of-tax-information/42232037.pdf Page 4 of 65 for those interested

"The abuse of charities occurs when the sanctioned government status of a charitable organization is
abused either by the charitable organization, by taxpayers and donors, or third parties, such as fraudsters
who pose as charitable organizations or tax return preparers who falsify tax returns to defraud the
government. The abuse has serious and increasing risks to governments and the wider community"


"18. Ireland has for many years operated a Tax Exemption Scheme for Charities and has also implemented
a tax relief scheme for donations to charities. A charitable trust must be for the relief of poverty, the
advancement of religion, the advancement of education or other purposes beneficial to the community. The
tax code provides exemption for charities from Income Tax, Corporation Tax, Capital Gains Tax, Deposit
Interest Retention Tax, Capital Acquisition Tax, Stamp Duty and Dividend Withholding Tax. Tax relief
applies to donations which are €250 or greater in one year, are in the form of money or shares, or a
combination of money and shares, are not repayable, do not confer a benefit on the donor or any person
connected with the donor, and are not conditional on, or associated with, any arrangement involving the
acquisition of property by the charity or approved body."

So give €250 to some scheme and evade a sugar load of tax on corporate profits. Seems reasonable. I am setting up a charity for the religious conservation of education of snails in my back garden...... watch the money rolling in. If only Thomas Shelby could see this!!!

stefanovich

NGOs use tax payer money to push their politics. I don’t like that.

AndrewJRenko

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

GOALs John O Shea does not have his own private Plane cause he won the Euromillions. Just saying.

What have you been smoking, and can I have some please?

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No,no no, remember a few years back the Vuture funds were masking as charities? Throw a few thousand at a problem while using laws not to pay tax? That is well known tricks. Most of the money donated gets consumed in rents, pensions salaries, advertising, etc etc

Anyone remember a few years back Every CEO of a charity was surveyed? The least of them were on 80k, most were on 200k and the one at UNHRC Gerry Ryan ex girlfriend was on about 300k and she was doing it at a "bargain price". My missus cancelled her Trocaire one and they were back on her like white on rice. The charities share information with each other, my uncle gave a generous Donation to John of God and Saint Vincent De PAul were onto to him the following month to make a donation in his will. That killed that golden goose.

Who wants to talk about Angela Kerins or the National Children's hospital shennigans?

They surveyed every charity, and the least CEO salary was 80k? I dare ya to post a link to that survey. I double dare ya.

You seem to have forgotten about the significant bunch of charities that have no paid staff BTW, where the CEO pay is zero. Yes, we can all pick out the headline controversies. They made headlines because they were non typical.

Please stop making stuff up and post some actual facts.

AndrewJRenko

Strumms wrote: »

So you want to penalize the business community as well as the ordinary tax payer, in order to jettison copious amounts of money generated by the ordinary citizens and businesses out of the country...? That’s just weird to be honest.

Plenty of money put to use in the health services, just not used well enough....unfortunately look who we’ve had in charge... FG, the most useless, dictatorial, self serving, anti citizen, corruption, snugglers.

Oh right, so we can't touch the business subsidies. How about the €17 million subsidy for mistreating animals in the greyhound industry? Or the subsidies to mistreat horses in the racing sector - could either of these provide the funding you need to improve the health services?

Or is there something special about overseas aid?

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you made up the 97% figure, thought so.

It's a bit like how Joey made up the claim that the far-right carried out the attacks on the hotels. A lot of stuff being made up here, but of course you'd want us to believe that it's only one 'side' doing it.

CtevenSrowder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Oh right, so we can't touch the business subsidies. How about the €17 million subsidy for mistreating animals in the greyhound industry? Or the subsidies to mistreat horses in the racing sector - could either of these provide the funding you need to improve the health services?

Or is there something special about overseas aid?

Even though you've posted a loaded question, both of those industries generate revenue, so I've no problem with them receiving subsidies. A bit like how I've no problem with the arts generating subsidies as ultimately it brings in more than it gets in subsidies. The same cannot be said for overseas aid.

Howard Beale

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They surveyed every charity, and the least CEO salary was 80k? I dare ya to post a link to that survey. I double dare ya.

You seem to have forgotten about the significant bunch of charities that have no paid staff BTW, where the CEO pay is zero. Yes, we can all pick out the headline controversies. They made headlines because they were non typical.

Please stop making stuff up and post some actual facts.

If only. Do you ever listen to yourself?
You even posted a photograph of Justin Barrett of the National party holding a sign saying National party and you said oh thats the Freedom Party hardly the most observant now are we? Any self awareness at all? You have been making stuff up all thread same with joeytheparrott. Its incessant.

Lying that your new language?
Why break the habit of a lifetime.

stefanovich

Howard Beale wrote: »

If only. Do you ever listen to yourself?
You even posted a photograph of Justin Barrett of the National party holding a sign saying National party and you said oh thats the Freedom Party hardly the most observant now are we? Any self awareness at all? You have been making stuff up all thread same with joeytheparrott. Its incessant.

Lying that your new language?
Why break the habit of a lifetime.

The national party are idiot morons. Controlled opposition I say.

IFP are perfectly reasonable. They’d get my vote.