Why are 'anti racist' NGO's so racist to the Irish? *Threadbanned user list in OP*

AndrewJRenko

RandRuns wrote: »

Yet again Andrew, The Great Asker Of Questions, fails to answer one.

Why should I provide information to a question I didn't ask? You are a busted flush Andrew, the same tactic every time.

I thought it fairly obvious that the questions were rhetorical. I wasn't looking for answers at all. We both know the answers - that you know nothing about theatre funding or participation levels, but you still decided to get all excited and offended.

RandRuns

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I thought it fairly obvious that the questions were rhetorical. I wasn't looking for answers at all. We both know the answers - that you know nothing about theatre funding or participation levels, but you still decided to get all excited and offended.

Backtracking effort 2/10.

So you admit you were talking rubbish again, and have nothing to back up your statements?

Thought so.

TomTomTim

Mike Murdock wrote: »

To be honest, I'm more interested in the fact that he thinks systemic racism exists in 99.99% of funding schemes.

That is a hell of a charge to make. Where is his evidence?

These people are fantasists, they have no regard for things as such. What they feel is true, is true, hence why argumentation never works. You'll see it on here time and time again, when similar minded people are regularly proven wrong.

There's a good chunk of "progressive" posters on boards, especially the ones posting for years, who I've been monitoring to see if they ever wake up, and reflect on their views, and realize that they are wrong on nearly every prediction that they make. They never do though, not even one of them. They simply continue believing everything they believe, no matter how much said beliefs conflict with reality. It's the main reason I try not to engage with people like that, as it's pointless.

AndrewJRenko

biko wrote: »

They just guess.

Almost like the guesswork about the level of NGO funding and the nature of services funded in this thread.

AndrewJRenko

RandRuns wrote: »

Backtracking effort 2/10.

So you admit you were talking rubbish again, and have nothing to back up your statements?

Thought so.

I have absolutely no knowledge of theatre funding or participation levels.

It is interesting to note the large number of posters who share my level of ignorance, but have already categorically decided that this is a bad idea.

RandRuns

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I have absolutely no knowledge of theatre funding or participation levels.

We know. Believe me, we all know.

weldoninhio

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Excluding the bast majority of Irish people is not what we should fund. How this blatant anti white racism is allowed is shocking.

I've applied. I'm a person of colour. White/pink skin, red hair, brown freckles, white teeth, brown eyes.

AndrewJRenko

Student_111 wrote: »

Are you seriously justifying this?? You think it's perfectly fine to discriminate based on skin colour ?

It IS perfectly fine to implement positive action measures to address historic discrimination or disadvantage.

It's great to see all the sudden interest in arts funding too.

Do you think it's perfectly fine to discriminate against non disabled people like this?

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_and_disability/grant_aid_scheme_for_employers_with_disabled_staff.html

AndrewJRenko

RandRuns wrote: »

We know. Believe me, we all know.

Indeed. And we all know that we're all coming from the same low base on this. Or am I the only one being honest?

weldoninhio

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It IS perfectly fine to implement positive action measures to address historic discrimination or disadvantage.

It's great to see all the sudden interest in arts funding too.

Do you think it's perfectly fine to discriminate against non disabled people like this?

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_and_disability/grant_aid_scheme_for_employers_with_disabled_staff.html

When, historically, in Ireland, were black people discriminated against, or disadvantaged??

AndrewJRenko

weldoninhio wrote: »

When, historically, in Ireland, were black people discriminated against, or disadvantaged??

Have you met many black Irish playwrights?

weldoninhio

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have you met many black Irish playwrights?

Whats that got to do with the question I asked?

I've never met an Irish playwright of any colour. There's your question answered, any chance of you answering mine??

RandRuns

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have you met many black Irish playwrights?

I like the way you specified "met" so that you can shoot down any information you are given as always.

Here are two to start off with:

- Kunle Animashaun and Camino Productions.
Kunle Animashaun is the Artistic Director of Camino Productions, and also directs their shows. Animashaun and Camino’s work includes creating devised work and staging plays by African playwrights.

- Bisi Adigun and Arambe Productions
Bisi Adigun has written and produced a number of plays with Arambe Productions, as well as creating devised productions with the company.

How many Irish playwrights do you know working in theatre in, say, Nigeria?

Mike Murdock

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It IS perfectly fine to implement positive action measures to address historic discrimination or disadvantage.

It's great to see all the sudden interest in arts funding too.

Do you think it's perfectly fine to discriminate against non disabled people like this?

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_and_disability/grant_aid_scheme_for_employers_with_disabled_staff.html

Where has this happened in Ireland? Furnish us with some evidence of systemic discrimination in this case.

RandRuns

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Where has this happened in Ireland? Furnish us with some evidence of systemic discrimination in this case.

He'll furnish you with nothing. Look at his posting history on this and other threads - he demands evidence to back up every statement by other posters, which he then either ignores or denies, but never provides backup for any of the statements he comes out with himself. He has received warnings recently for it.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have you met many black Irish playwrights?

What kind of question is that? I haven't met many playwrights with green eyes either... Unless you have proof they are actively being discriminated against, your point is irrelevant. So again, the question was - have Black people been historically discriminated against as playwrights in Ireland?

jmayo

Yes there are Irish racists.
I remember a number of years ago seeing racism in broad daylight in an industrial estate in Dublin.
I was shocked and the guy that it was leveled at was slightly bemused as the gimps doing it from the car were telling him to go back to Africa even though he looked Asian and he was.
To me it also highlighted how the ones doing it were as thick as pigshyte.

But the problem now is those gimps can point to the reverse racism and perceived ungratefulness of the likes of Joseph and her ilk and it ends up drawing more people to their mindset.

People who question bogus asylum seekers, the dumping of mainly young male refugees onto unprepared and totally incompatible communities, etc are now labeled as racists.
Anyone that questions the narrative spewed out by the modern left wing, the left leaning media and social media brigades is seen as someone following Mosley or Hitler.

RTE used to try and offer some semblance of balance with the likes of Ian O'Doherty to counter the likes of Liam Cunningham, but they have now given up on even that.

If you demonise, dismiss, ridicule and ultimately abandon people then you will force people to turn to the other side.

This is what happened in the rustbelt in the US and one can see it in places like Pas de Calais where the FN have replaced the left in power.

Why did right wing parties suddenly start to grow in European countries that had been centrist or left for the most part since WWII.

The thing that worries me is that the right, the real right, will rise again simply because the left and centre are so far up their own holes they can't see it.

We have politicians pandering to social media eejits and forgetting their own people.

Trump has been a warning and the worry should not be that Trump will come back, but that the next one courting the worst of his followers will be smart and somewhat competent.
A lot of countries seem to be sleep walking their way back to the 30s.

AndrewJRenko

RandRuns wrote: »

How many Irish playwrights do you know working in theatre in, say, Nigeria?

I'm not sure I'm seeing the relevance of what is happening in the Nigerian theatre scene to a discussion about Irish NGOs.

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Where has this happened in Ireland? Furnish us with some evidence of systemic discrimination in this case.

RandRuns wrote: »

He'll furnish you with nothing. Look at his posting history on this and other threads - he demands evidence to back up every statement by other posters, which he then either ignores or denies, but never provides backup for any of the statements he comes out with himself. He has received warnings recently for it.

Randy is right on this one, you'll get nothing out of me on this. As noted above, I know next to nothing about the Irish theatre scene. I do know that Fishamble have been around for a long time, seems like for ever, so I'd guess they'd have their fingers on the pulse of the issue - much more so than me, or any other poster on the thread - though interestingly the lack of knowledge or information didn't stop anyone from deciding that this outreach initiative was a bad, bad thing.

jmayo wrote: »

Yes there are Irish racists.
I remember a number of years ago seeing racism in broad daylight in an industrial estate in Dublin.
I was shocked and the guy that it was leveled at was slightly bemused as the gimps doing it from the car were telling him to go back to Africa even though he looked Asian and he was.
To me it also highlighted how the ones doing it were as thick as pigshyte.

But the problem now is those gimps can point to the reverse racism and perceived ungratefulness of the likes of Joseph and her ilk and it ends up drawing more people to their mindset.

People who question bogus asylum seekers, the dumping of mainly young male refugees onto unprepared and totally incompatible communities, etc are now labeled as racists.
Anyone that questions the narrative spewed out by the modern left wing, the left leaning media and social media brigades is seen as someone following Mosley or Hitler.

RTE used to try and offer some semblance of balance with the likes of Ian O'Doherty to counter the likes of Liam Cunningham, but they have now given up on even that.

If you demonise, dismiss, ridicule and ultimately abandon people then you will force people to turn to the other side.

This is what happened in the rustbelt in the US and one can see it in places like Pas de Calais where the FN have replaced the left in power.

Why did right wing parties suddenly start to grow in European countries that had been centrist or left for the most part since WWII.

The thing that worries me is that the right, the real right, will rise again simply because the left and centre are so far up their own holes they can't see it.

We have politicians pandering to social media eejits and forgetting their own people.

Trump has been a warning and the worry should not be that Trump will come back, but that the next one courting the worst of his followers will be smart and somewhat competent.
A lot of countries seem to be sleep walking their way back to the 30s.

'perceived ungratefulness' is an interesting concept. Are people supposed to tug their forelock and say yasssir nosir to the big man in the big house or what? I guess that religious charity 'black babies' stuff has a lot to answer for the deeply embedded preference of charity over rights.

weldoninhio

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm not sure I'm seeing the relevance of what is happening in the Nigerian theatre scene to a discussion about Irish NGOs.





Randy is right on this one, you'll get nothing out of me on this. As noted above, I know next to nothing about the Irish theatre scene. I do know that Fishamble have been around for a long time, seems like for ever, so I'd guess they'd have their fingers on the pulse of the issue - much more so than me, or any other poster on the thread - though interestingly the lack of knowledge or information didn't stop anyone from deciding that this outreach initiative was a bad, bad thing.



'perceived ungratefulness' is an interesting concept. Are people supposed to tug their forelock and say yasssir nosir to the big man in the big house or what? I guess that religious charity 'black babies' stuff has a lot to answer for the deeply embedded preference of charity over rights.

Any chance of my question being answered?? I answered yours.

RandRuns

weldoninhio wrote: »

Any chance of my question being answered?? I answered yours.

No chance at all - see above. How this troll is allowed to continue to drag any thread he disapproves of all over the place like this is beyond me.

AndrewJRenko

weldoninhio wrote: »

Any chance of my question being answered?? I answered yours.

I've explained twice that I know next to nothing about the theatre sector, so I'm not in a position to say much about what kind of advantage or disadvantage occurs there. Do you know enough about the sector to state that there is no such disadvantage?

biko

These are some of the NGOs that deal with immigrants into Ireland.

Cross care migrant project
Doras Luimni
ENAR European Network Against Racism
INAR Irish Network Against Racism
MRCI
Irish Refugee council
Immigrant Council of Ireland
Development Perspectives

Not all immigrants of course as most EU immigrants do not bother with this, they just move here.

Cursorily browsing images of the various NGO staff and members two things strike me.
The huge overrepresentation of white females.
No SE Asians, only MENA.

Like asked in UN - is everyone in Ireland in an NGO?


It has become its own taxpayer-funded industry.
The question is - are these people working in your best interests?

randd1

jmayo wrote: »

Yes there are Irish racists.
I remember a number of years ago seeing racism in broad daylight in an industrial estate in Dublin.
I was shocked and the guy that it was leveled at was slightly bemused as the gimps doing it from the car were telling him to go back to Africa even though he looked Asian and he was.
To me it also highlighted how the ones doing it were as thick as pigshyte.

But the problem now is those gimps can point to the reverse racism and perceived ungratefulness of the likes of Joseph and her ilk and it ends up drawing more people to their mindset.

People who question bogus asylum seekers, the dumping of mainly young male refugees onto unprepared and totally incompatible communities, etc are now labeled as racists.
Anyone that questions the narrative spewed out by the modern left wing, the left leaning media and social media brigades is seen as someone following Mosley or Hitler.

RTE used to try and offer some semblance of balance with the likes of Ian O'Doherty to counter the likes of Liam Cunningham, but they have now given up on even that.

If you demonise, dismiss, ridicule and ultimately abandon people then you will force people to turn to the other side.

This is what happened in the rustbelt in the US and one can see it in places like Pas de Calais where the FN have replaced the left in power.

Why did right wing parties suddenly start to grow in European countries that had been centrist or left for the most part since WWII.

The thing that worries me is that the right, the real right, will rise again simply because the left and centre are so far up their own holes they can't see it.

We have politicians pandering to social media eejits and forgetting their own people.

Trump has been a warning and the worry should not be that Trump will come back, but that the next one courting the worst of his followers will be smart and somewhat competent.
A lot of countries seem to be sleep walking their way back to the 30s.

The vast majority of the west is white. Yet apparently these days, being white is wrong and you should be ashamed of being born white.

Yep, absolutely nothing wrong at all could possibly come from telling billions of people they should be ashamed of their skin colour.

Butson

biko wrote: »

These are some of the NGOs that deal with immigrants into Ireland.

Cross care migrant project
Doras Luimni
ENAR European Network Against Racism
INAR Irish Network Against Racism
MRCI
Irish Refugee council
Immigrant Council of Ireland
Development Perspectives

Not all immigrants of course as most EU immigrants do not bother with this, they just move here.

Cursorily browsing images of the various NGO staff and members two things strike me.
The huge overrepresentation of white females.
No SE Asians, only MENA.

Like asked in UN - is everyone in Ireland in an NGO?


It has become its own taxpayer-funded industry.
The question is - are these people working in your best interests?

Are all of the above organisations funded by the Irish Taxpayer?

Tombo2001

Yet another 'discussion' on racism in the Current Affairs/ IMHO thread......as ever, the same voices, the same points of view.

Always comes back to the same issue for me. What is the demographics of boards.

RandRuns

randd1 wrote: »

The vast majority of the west is white. Yet apparently these days, being white is wrong and you should be ashamed of being born white.

Yep, absolutely nothing wrong at all could possibly come from telling billions of people they should be ashamed of their skin colour.

Yet strangely these people never want to push diversity in huge countries like Nigeria, which is nearly 100% black.

TomTomTim

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Yet another 'discussion' on racism in the Current Affairs/ IMHO thread......as ever, the same voices, the same points of view.

Always comes back to the same issue for me. What is the demographics of boards.

Complains about racism, yet is moaning about the demographic posting about the topic. SELF AWARENESS LEVEL -100

AndrewJRenko

biko wrote: »

These are some of the NGOs that deal with immigrants into Ireland.

Cross care migrant project
Doras Luimni
ENAR European Network Against Racism
INAR Irish Network Against Racism
MRCI
Irish Refugee council
Immigrant Council of Ireland
Development Perspectives

Not all immigrants of course as most EU immigrants do not bother with this, they just move here.

Cursorily browsing images of the various NGO staff and members two things strike me.
The huge overrepresentation of white females.
No SE Asians, only MENA.

Like asked in UN - is everyone in Ireland in an NGO?


It has become its own taxpayer-funded industry.
The question is - are these people working in your best interests?

Are you suggesting that there should be a quota for employment of SE Asians perhaps, or positive action measures to help them to address this gap?

Is ENAR actually in Ireland?

Esho

weldoninhio wrote: »

Whats that got to do with the question I asked?

I've never met an Irish playwright of any colour. There's your question answered, any chance of you answering mine??

Apart from the guy who wrote a play with Roddy Doyle and then sued him?

Esho

biko wrote: »

These are some of the NGOs that deal with immigrants into Ireland.

Cross care migrant project
Doras Luimni
ENAR European Network Against Racism
INAR Irish Network Against Racism
MRCI
Irish Refugee council
Immigrant Council of Ireland
Development Perspectives

Not all immigrants of course as most EU immigrants do not bother with this, they just move here.

Cursorily browsing images of the various NGO staff and members two things strike me.
The huge overrepresentation of white females.
No SE Asians, only MENA.

Like asked in UN - is everyone in Ireland in an NGO?


It has become its own taxpayer-funded industry.
The question is - are these people working in your best interests?

The MRCI does excellent work in identifying the poor working conditions and injustices of foreign born workers - generally in the tough jobs that Paddy doesn't work in anymore.
Also instances of pretty much modern day slavery here.

No one else is doing that work.

Not happy to see anyone shafted by a crappy employer, be they black, white or multicoloured.

And noone in there is earning a big bucks either, as far as I know.

I have a huge amount of respect for their work.