England vs Italy 6n 2021

corny

This is brilliantly inept officiating.

Dave_The_Sheep

May has a history of doing that. That's absolutely jumping a tackle, that's not a dive for the line.

randomname2005

Wow, strange decision to allow that fosbury flop attempt. How far from the line can you 'dive' hoping you can slide in? Crazy

almostover

theVersatile wrote: »

Ah Jesus lads I know we all love Italy but you have to appreciate that's an outstanding finish from May.

Against the rules of the game

schmoo2k

A jump would mean landing on your feet - a dive is hands / head first to the ground...

Arduach

Really annoying thing about team sports. The 'big teams' nearly always get the benefit of the doubt. That last penalty against Italy was disgraceful.

Not calling May's knock on before the first try equally so.

Result..2 tries.

Beginning to think Joy Neville is a token gesture to gender and other issues, not meritocracy.

Jump_In_Jack

So England knocked on before every try, Italy 10 metres out and robbed by a hand in the ruck and given as a knock on.
Disgraceful ineptitude from the TMO and the on field officials.

Strumms

I can’t remember any scenario in sport where consistently over one half of the encounter, one team got so shafted and ridden so routinely and proactively by pure out and out incompetence on behalf on not just the referee, but the whole team of officials.... at this level, it’s worrying.

TomsOnTheRoof

Off the top of my head I can count two or three occasions where that kind of hurdle is penalised. Kalamafoni and Elsom spring to mind.

Larbre34

That wasn't jumping out of a tackle, it was a hail mary bundle job from the Italian winger and May just ran over him basically.

Quinlan suspected it in real time, then he didn't dispute it again from replay.

I repeat, magnificent touchdown.

techdiver

May jumped over the tackle. Penalty in my opinion. Our it another way. Doesn't matter how he landed. Bad call.

randomname2005

Arduach wrote: »

Really annoying thing about team sports. The 'big teams' nearly always get the benefit of the doubt. That last penalty against Italy was disgraceful.

Not calling May's knock on before the first try equally so.

Result..2 tries.

Beginning to think Joy Neville is a token gesture to gender and other issues, not meritocracy.

I think the only solution would be to have multiple tmos analysing everything going on which would be a crap stop start game. No idea how you make refs balance their decisions

thomond2006

Referee errors in open play are one thing, but it's absurd that the May try was awarded after a review.

sydthebeat

Lads, "jumping into the tackle" was always an issue as it was seen as dangerous play as you were lifting your knees and feet to where someone was putting their head.

Jonny may did not do anything dangerous and "jumping into the tackle" is mentioned nowhere in the law book.

It was a great finish

Larbre34

Larbre34 wrote: »

That wasn't jumping out of a tackle, it was a hail mary bundle job from the Italian winger and May just ran over him basically.

Quinlan suspected it in real time, then he didn't dispute it again from replay.

I repeat, magnificent touchdown.

It wasn't blatantly jumping into a tackle.

almostover

I'm absolutely baffled by that. Youngs knocks on at the base of the ruck. Watch May again, he starts below the Italian wingers arms and leaps over them. Abysmal officiating. I'm afraid the ref is out of his depth. The touch judge and the TMO need the p45 too

testtech05

Arduach wrote: »

Really annoying thing about team sports. The 'big teams' nearly always get the benefit of the doubt. That last penalty against Italy was disgraceful.

Not calling May's knock on before the first try equally so.

Result..2 tries.

Beginning to think Joy Neville is a token gesture to gender and other issues, not meritocracy.

While I agree there are things the TMO should have called, I don't think you can blame it all on joy. It has to be said the ref and his linesmen have missed plenty of obvious stuff too.

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

Lads, "jumping into the tackle" was always an issue as it was seen as dangerous play as you were lifting your knees and feet to where someone was putting their head.

Jonny may did not do anything dangerous and "jumping into the tackle" is mentioned nowhere in the law book.

It was a great finish

He's so high in the air if the Italian tackles him it would be an English penalty. It was absolutely against the rules

sydthebeat

AdamD wrote: »

He's so high in the air if the Italian tackles him it would be an English penalty. It was absolutely against the rules

Which law??

Name it or shut up

LuckyLloyd

Strumms wrote: »

I can’t remember any scenario in sport where consistently over one half of the encounter, one team got so shafted and ridden so routinely and proactively by pure out and out incompetence on behalf on not just the referee, but the whole team of officials.... at this level, it’s worrying.

This is a sport that schedules it’s premier competition in such a way that consistently and obviously disadvantages lower ranked teams. This is a sport that knocked an extensive proposal to give more teams a shot at moving up the tiers on the head because it would potentially disadvantage those hanging on at the top tier.

It’s just the way it goes in rugby sometimes - the bigger traditional powers get the benefit of the doubt all the time.

Larbre34

Absolutely nobody talking about this fellas.

It didn't happen.

Scratchly

sydthebeat wrote: »

Name it or shut up

Charming fellow aren't you?

theVersatile

There is literally no reference in the rules regarding players diving for the line. And I don't think anyone could possibly argue that what May did was "dangerous play".

It's a perfectly legal finish.

Lost Ormond want to opine?

Arduach

TV3 or Virgin Media, or whatever they call themselves, won't even show the knock on for the first English try.

Look it's not all the refs fault, Italy have made a lot of errors, but he has had a profound effect on the scoreline.

almostover

sydthebeat wrote: »

Which law??

Name it or shut up

Dangerous play

theVersatile

theVersatile wrote: »

There is literally no reference in the rules regarding players diving for the line. And I don't think anyone could possibly argue that what May did was "dangerous play".

It's a perfectly legal finish.

Lost Ormond want to opine?

So how does the Italian tackle him without getting done for tackling a player in the air?

Strumms

Arduach wrote: »

Really annoying thing about team sports. The 'big teams' nearly always get the benefit of the doubt. That last penalty against Italy was disgraceful.

Not calling May's knock on before the first try equally so.

Result..2 tries.

Beginning to think Joy Neville is a token gesture to gender and other issues, not meritocracy.

If you can’t make the right calls, looking on a monitor with the ability to demand copious angles, options, of slow motion replays to enable you to make the correct decision....you have no business being there quite simply... she is atrocious. Italians will just get on a plane tonight..” look, what can we do we were buttfûcked, multiple times “... no sanctions for the official, same again, next year, through the year.

corny

testtech05 wrote: »

While I agree there are things the TMO should have called, I don't think you can blame it all on joy. It has to be said the ref and his linesmen have missed plenty of obvious stuff too.

Real time V slow motion replays.

OldRio

I can't believe the obvious knock ons have been missed by the officiating team.
Shocking.

Lost Ormond

adam240610 wrote: »

This is an absolute disgrace of a game, bad for the sport

Leave out the hysterics

Deub wrote: »

Half time. England 8 - Italy 8 - Ref 12

Dont embarrass yourself

Arduach wrote: »

Really annoying thing about team sports. The 'big teams' nearly always get the benefit of the doubt. That last penalty against Italy was disgraceful.

Not calling May's knock on before the first try equally so.

Result..2 tries.

Beginning to think Joy Neville is a token gesture to gender and other issues, not meritocracy.

Whats that based on and Joy Neville in TMO seems to get involved far more than many other TMOs do.

thomond2006 wrote: »

Referee errors in open play are one thing, but it's absurd that the May try was awarded after a review.

It isnt. What law is broken?

sydthebeat wrote: »

Lads, "jumping into the tackle" was always an issue as it was seen as dangerous play as you were lifting your knees and feet to where someone was putting their head.

Jonny may did not do anything dangerous and "jumping into the tackle" is mentioned nowhere in the law book.

It was a great finish

Spot on

theVersatile wrote: »

There is literally no reference in the rules regarding players diving for the line. And I don't think anyone could possibly argue that what May did was "dangerous play".

It's a perfectly legal finish.

Lost Ormond want to opine?

Its perfectly legal. Great score

thomond2006

So you can hurdle a tackle as long as it's not dangerous?
Right.

Strumms

Arduach wrote: »

TV3 or Virgin Media, or whatever they call themselves, won't even show the knock on for the first English try.

Look it's not all the refs fault, Italy have made a lot of errors, but he has had a profound effect on the scoreline.

Noticed that, then turned them off, no one of the panel / production team though it relevant, Jesus, TV3/ Virgin though. Who is surprised.

fitz

thomond2006 wrote: »

So you can hurdle a tackle as long as it's not dangerous?
Right.

I don't get it either.
Just because he happened to not knee the tackler in the face doesn't change the fact that he jumped over the tackler, surely?

Lost Ormond

thomond2006 wrote: »

So you can hurdle a tackle as long as it's not dangerous?Right.

He didnt do that. He was tip toing the line and went into air to remain in the field of play and as he was going for a score. thats legal.

randomname2005

Looked like Lawes went straight past the ball onto the ground.

Brilliant scramble defence from England on the break there.

theVersatile

AdamD wrote: »

So how does the Italian tackle him without getting done for tackling a player in the air?

How does one do that for a regular dive? Do you want to ban diving for the line completely?

Arduach

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Leave out the hysterics


Dont embarrass yourself


Whats that based on and Joy Neville in TMO seems to get involved far more than many other TMOs do.


It isnt. What law is broken?


Spot on


Its perfectly legal. Great score

Go back to Hoganstand, you'd spot you a mile away

Scratchly

Think to Farrell’s credit he was trying to stop the English reaction

fitz

Lost Ormond wrote: »

He didnt do that. He was tip toing the line and went into air to remain in the field of play and as he was going for a score. thats legal.

Seems a very flimsy interpretation...if there wasn't a tackle coming in he wouldn't have been jumping to stay in play.

bilston

Yeah I think that's right...he was trying to get the England players off, yet Adamson gives him a ticking off.

razorblunt

First half dozen rucks in this half England sealed off almost all of them.

testtech05

Interesting to see England get so annoyed about a bit of ribbing after a penalty given against Itoje..... They aren't exactly shy in doing it themselves

aloooof

Monty Ioane is a quality winger, in fairness to him.

TomsOnTheRoof

sydthebeat wrote: »

Which law??

Name it or shut up

9.27: Contrary to sportsmanship. Preventing an attempt to tackle would constitute this.

9.11: Dangerous play could also cover it.

beggars_bush

razorblunt wrote: »

First half dozen rucks in this half England sealed off almost all of them.

They do it every single time

Faugheen

How does Farrell get away with the way he talks to the referees?

bilston

awec wrote: »

Italy are awful

Maybe...but I thought last week they looked a bit more threatening with the ball, and actually they looked even better this week.

But they are as loose as anything in defence

Larbre34

thomond2006 wrote: »

So you can hurdle a tackle as long as it's not dangerous?
Right.

This debate was had in the 2017 Lions with Kieran Read.

One mans vault is another mans dive for the line, or otherwise becomes a tackle in the air.

There is no law against jumping out of a tackle. If May boots the winger in the face as a result there, and the winger spits a few teeth or breaks his nose, then the ref can only penalise May under unsportsmanlike conduct, which as we know is a crock of shyt at the best of times.

No ref was going to deny May that score if there was no damage done to the Italian defender engaged in a hail mary slide, and there wasn't. End of story.

bilston

Faugheen wrote: »

How does Farrell get away with the way he talks to the referees?

I think the point he was making was fair...but he was too animated about it...he is lucky he wasn't marched back another 10.