Scotland vs Wales 6n 2021

thomond2006

What an absolute belter. That game had everything!

PTH2009

Wales will end up winning it all with that luck

prawnsambo

almostover wrote: »

Allowing poaching in a ruck has caused far more injuries than it is worth to the game. I'm thinking of Paul O'Connell, Dan Leavy and today Jack Willis for England. It's a very vulnerable position. And you can't expect the opposition to leave you there and take the ball without trying to clear you out. There should be no hands on the ball once a tackle is completed and to win a turnover you should have to ruck past the ball.

It's part of the law on the tackled player having to release the ball. By rights, any opposition player that gets their hands on the ball (legally) should get the penalty if the tackled player doesn't release it instantly. But that doesn't happen and so you get the impacts. Some refs are getting better at blowing it up quickly, but they all need to do it all the time.

tanko

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Delighted with that. John Barclay on Rugby Union weekly during the week talking about a Grand Slam after 1 game. Being dead serious. Typical Scots, like us, when they are favourites they can’t perform.

The ridiculous hype about Scotland after last week was crazy.
Some of the stuff their players were coming out with was embarrassing, anyone would think they had won the World Cup and the grand slam last weekend.
Back to reality for them.

Two very enjoyable games today - if tomorrow is as exciting I suspect it will favour France.

That's a real setback for Scotland and puts them right back under pressure.

Akrasia

Sanjuro wrote: »

Welsh Grand Slam by playing against 14 men in every game.

I’m no fan of welsh rugby but it’s not their fault that there were 2 red cards given to their opponents in the first games

Would they have won either game without those reds? Nobody knows and it’s irrelevant now

Beechwoodspark

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wales will end up winning it all with that luck

Dunno. Still think it’s French this year

clsmooth

Which English player will be getting sent off in two weeks time?

Burkie1203

clsmooth wrote: »

Which English player will be getting sent off in two weeks time?

Probably not owen farrell

Lucy8080

Look at that bump on A.W.J.s head! Surely that's a H.I.A. , even if the game is over.

almostover

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's part of the law on the tackled player having to release the ball. By rights, any opposition player that gets their hands on the ball (legally) should get the penalty if the tackled player doesn't release it instantly. But that doesn't happen and so you get the impacts. Some refs are getting better at blowing it up quickly, but they all need to do it all the time.

Thats very true too, there is often seconds of grappling for the ball before a referee blows for it. It leaves the poacher in a vulnerable position for too long. The poacher then is subjected to human missiles trying to preserve possession. By right a player should be penalised for holding on even if a poacher doesn't have their hands on the ball. 1 second and let go, if not penalty against you.

TomsOnTheRoof

Hope to God Wales don't win the thing. Cannot stand them. Williams is a dirty little scut.

Sanjuro

Akrasia wrote: »

I’m no fan of welsh rugby but it’s not their fault that there were 2 red cards given to their opponents in the first games

Would they have won either game without those reds? Nobody knows and it’s irrelevant now

Yeah, it's just a bit of banter.

RugbyLover123

tanko wrote: »

The ridiculous hype about Scotland after last week was crazy.
Some of the stuff their players were coming out with was embarrassing, anyone would think they had won the World Cup and the grand slam last weekend.
Back to reality for them.

The media fawning over Hogg and Russell is unbearable. Russell was brutal last week and many had him down as being a pivotal part of Scotland controlling the game when he really is a liability. The Rugby Union weekly were naming all the Scots that should be on the Lions starting team after 1 game! This is why the Scots can never complain about having no test lions, because they are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to backing up their big performances.

sydthebeat

LRZ must have a very sore back after that game

TomsOnTheRoof

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

The media fawning over Hogg and Russell is unbearable. Russell was brutal last week and many had him down as being a pivotal part of Scotland controlling the game when he really is a liability. The Rugby Union weekly were naming all the Scots that should be on the Lions starting team after 1 game! This is why the Scots can never complain about having no test lions, because they are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to backing up their big performances.

Hogg deserves to be fawned over. He's the best fullback in world rugby. Russel once again showing he can't handle the pressure situations however.

theVersatile

Larbre34 wrote: »

We lost to that team.

Yikes.

And now we're in good company

TomsOnTheRoof

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Hope to God Wales don't win the thing. Cannot stand them. Williams is a dirty little scut.

He's a niggly bastard but has class about him also.

e.g. the way that he made the first try for Wales with the pass out.

You'd love him if he was playing for Ireland.

thomond2006

Wales could easily run the table. They've had luck that's difficult to fathom but they've got momentum. LRZ looks like an incredible find, very reminiscent of Stockdale's emergence in 2018. Everything he does is working.

mfceiling

Scotland doing what only Scotland do.

Wales are gonna win the slam.

hawley

Who is the analyst with glasses on Virgin?

sydthebeat

mfceiling wrote: »

Scotland doing what only Scotland do.

Wales are gonna win the slam.

Only if they play against 14 men every time

Dave_The_Sheep

If it means Wales think Pivac is the man for the job, I'm ok with this. They were pretty bad, again.

Two and zero though, to be fair. You'd love it were you a Wales fan.

sydthebeat

hawley wrote: »

Who is the analyst with glasses on Virgin?

Ian mckinley

A-Train

hawley wrote: »

Who is the analyst with glasses on Virgin?

Ian McKinley

aloooof

thomond2006 wrote: »

Wales could easily run the table. They've had luck that's difficult to fathom but they've got momentum. LRZ looks like an incredible find, very reminiscent of Stockdale's emergence in 2018. Everything he does is working.

Hope they go Williams at FB with LRZ and Adams back in against England. That looks a tasty back 3.

thomond2006

Finn Russell is box office. I love his attitude. He'll win you games, he'll lose you games but you won't come away un-entertained.

RugbyLover123

mfceiling wrote: »

Scotland doing what only Scotland do.

Wales are gonna win the slam.

Not a hope they’re as lucky in their last 3 games as they have been in their first 2.

Pudsy33

There is no way Wales win a GS. None.

molloyjh

Scotland desperately tried to hand England the game last week but England were too hopeless to take advantage. This week Scotland just made sure.

Feck sake Scotland.

Paul Smeenus

molloyjh wrote: »

Scotland desperately tried to hand England the game last week but England were too hopeless to take advantage. This week Scotland just made sure.

Feck sake Scotland.

They've won a game. We haven't. Let's not be too scornful.

thomond2006

Pudsy33 wrote: »

There is no way Wales win a GS. None.

It's not probable but it's very possible in my view. They host England in two weeks. England are not great, though with another game into the undercooked Saracens players there might be an improvement from them. Italy in Week 4 is a training run. Then it's one game against France!

prawnsambo

clsmooth wrote: »

Which English player will be getting sent off in two weeks time?

What are the odds on it being Owen Farrell?

tanko

Pudsy33 wrote: »

There is no way Wales win a GS. None.

Probably not but they've won Grand Slams in the past that most thought they'd never win.

The Inbetween is mine

Pudsy33 wrote: »

There is no way Wales win a GS. None.

Don't bet on it... Italy are cack... England are unfit and misfiring....the French could be a demoralised side by the time they get to play the Welsh...it's not a forgone conclusion at all

molloyjh

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Don't bet on it... Italy are cack... England are unfit and misfiring....the French could be a demoralised side by the time they get to play the Welsh...it's not a forgone conclusion at all

England were a lot better today than last week. In 2 weeks they'll be better again. Wales have needed red cards in order to win both games. As long as England don't give them that I can't see Wales beating them. They really aren't that good.

I also have no idea how France could be "demoralised" come the final round. They will likely have won at least 3 games and be playing for the title....

prawnsambo

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Don't bet on it... Italy are cack... England are unfit and misfiring....the French could be a demoralised side by the time they get to play the Welsh...it's not a forgone conclusion at all

Well that's some bunch of rugby clichés in one short post. Bravo.

The Inbetween is mine

molloyjh wrote: »

England were a lot better today than last week. In 2 weeks they'll be better again. Wales have needed red cards in order to win both games. As long as England don't give them that I can't see Wales beating them. They really aren't that good.

I also have no idea how France could be "demoralised" come the final round. They will likely have won at least 3 games and be playing for the title....

Quite a few English players carrying some winter weight....we best France Tomo and who knows where their heads are when the play Wales... plus the Welsh have quite a few injured players to return to the squad...it's definitely not clear cut whatsoever

The Inbetween is mine

prawnsambo wrote: »

Well that's some bunch of rugby clichés in one short post. Bravo.

Coming from Prawnsambo..high praise indeed!

prawnsambo

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Coming from Prawnsambo..high praise indeed!

Like my username, I am a rare pleasure.

razorblunt

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's part of the law on the tackled player having to release the ball. By rights, any opposition player that gets their hands on the ball (legally) should get the penalty if the tackled player doesn't release it instantly. But that doesn't happen and so you get the impacts. Some refs are getting better at blowing it up quickly, but they all need to do it all the time.

I agree, the referees need to look at themselves too, the player on the floor can hold on for an age. Generally it will get punished when the poaches survives the first clear out and puts his hands on the floor and it’s a penalty against him. Ball should be presented back and hands away sharpish.

I remember Martin Johnson on the 2001 Lions video saying “put the ball back, trust the boys, they’ll take care of itl. Needs to go back to a similar approach .

thomond2006

Wayne Pivac changed the halfbacks with 30 minutes remaining. It's not often you see it and despite Sheedy missing a relatively easy conversion it seemed to pay off.

razorblunt

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Look at that bump on A.W.J.s head! Surely that's a H.I.A. , even if the game is over.

Hanging out on the wing too, should have been hooked.
Between that and Jake Ball giving him a shiner he has a head like a boxers punch bag.

kilns

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's not probable but it's very possible in my view. They host England in two weeks. England are not great, though with another game into the undercooked Saracens players there might be an improvement from them. Italy in Week 4 is a training run. Then it's one game against France!

You are forgetting Wales are god damn awful but for two red cards they would be bottom of the table in crisis with Italy fancying their chances against them

snotboogie

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

The media fawning over Hogg and Russell is unbearable. Russell was brutal last week and many had him down as being a pivotal part of Scotland controlling the game when he really is a liability. The Rugby Union weekly were naming all the Scots that should be on the Lions starting team after 1 game! This is why the Scots can never complain about having no test lions, because they are incredibly inconsistent when it comes to backing up their big performances.

Very harsh on Hogg and Russell haha. I thought Russell was class today, kept finding ways to unlock the Welsh defence, he put them in a position to win the game with the final play. Hogg should have been MOTM.

penybont exile

Well ..... that was enjoyable.

Some bad, some good, (sprinkled with a touch of star dust) ..... but most importantly we got over the line .......just.

This team is almost being built on the battle field ..... we finished the game with a lot of young players on the field ..... to be fair they fought like hell & delivered.

I love the fact that they are 'terrible' etc. We'll be underdogs again in two weeks .... shame they'll be no crowd to see it .... the old enemy in Cardiff for the TC is gonna be some game.

The bench players made a big impact today. Established players now know it's open season on their jerseys. This could be a very exciting time for Welsh rugby over the next couple of years as there are some real prospects getting good experience now or are just under the radar .... soon to arrive.

Great to see Ellis Jenkins back on the field last night too ...... if we can get Anscombe back we'll be in great shape.

Liam, LRZ, North, J Williams, Adams, Sheedy/Biggar, Hardie/Davies ..... Halaholo on the bench ...... not a bad back line for England.

Obviously we've no chance of beating them ..........

prawnsambo

kilns wrote: »

You are forgetting Wales are god damn awful but for two red cards they would be bottom of the table in crisis with Italy fancying their chances against them

Eddie O'Sullivan used to say that you always needed a little bit of luck to win the 6N. He's sitting at home at the moment saying "Not that much, nobody gets that much"

RugbyLover123

snotboogie wrote: »

Very harsh on Hogg and Russell haha. I thought Russell was class today, kept finding ways to unlock the Welsh defence, he put them in a position to win the game with the final play. Hogg should have been MOTM.

Maybe I am being overly critical but I’m not seeing the consistent level of performances that warrant them being talked about in the way they are. I mean Russell is talked by some about being a Lions 10 and best 10 in the world and I’m after seeing Andy Goode on Twitter has Hogg as the second best in the world at the moment after Dupont!

I will admit Hogg was class the last day and good again today but I’ve watched him in almost every game since the re-start for both Scotland and Exeter and his game is littered with small little mistakes like poor passes, kicks out on the full, drop balls, but he will have 1 decent run or a try every few games that covers it all up. I didn’t think he was particularly impressive for Exeter in either of their successes.

Russell is capable of the sublime but for every good thing he does he probably has about 10 brain farts. Funnily enough, leg trip aside, I think the most consistent part of his game is his defence. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near a Lions test team and I don’t think Gatland would either.

They both epitomise Scotland for me. Capable of brilliance but ultimately lack being able to back it up even week after week, never mind tournament after tournament.

Lost Ormond

Deleted User wrote: »

Much of the time a HIA is performed. At the same time if someone shoots at me and misses, I don't need to be checked for gunshot wounds, that doesn't mean I haven't been shot at.

Reckless play is reckless play - if you put a player in serious jeopardy you should be sanctioned.



Some players are idiots who continually fall foul of the same rules.

On HIAs. Quote taken from a facebook group im in and this is from someone who is a doc involved in the game as an independent match day doctor

I am a doctor who evaluates such things as an independent match day doctor. Not only that but I train the team doctors and physios for England Rugby. What happens is at least 5 pairs of eyes pour over the video footage and following clear criteria decide if the patient has suffered a definite head injury, a possible head injury, or often no evidence of a head injury. This video assessment can be triangulated by an on field assessment. If that players team doctor OR the IMDD OR the referee are not sure the patient comes off for an assessment. Commonly video review means that they meet certain criteria where brain injury is so likely they stay off and do not have a formal HIA 1. More commonly if suspected an HIA1 is done and it is very easy to meetvthe criteria for Permanent Removal. My figures suggest more people stay off than return to play. We are very cautious! So, in short, if not taken off then there must be overwhelming evidence of there being no impairment. Further, our work is forensically reviewed to ensure we are practising safe medicine. It is a sophisticated process.

leakyboots

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

Hogg deserves to be fawned over. He's the best fullback in world rugby. Russel once again showing he can't handle the pressure situations however.

He's arguably the best full back in the northern hemisphere for the last decade. Player of the tournament twice and on the way to a third.