Buying a Pistol

BattleCorp

Nice Ruger MKIII with 4 mags, hard case, holster and 2 mag holsters for sale in the for sale/wanted section here on Boards.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058116782

Grizzly 45

SVI40 wrote: »

Now you tell me!! :pac:

Here's the breakdown.

2 and 3 are legit govt fee of a 100 euros for the paperwork.
230 for uninsured postage is off the scales.
Reckon that's Deutsche post/DHL throwing their weight about with a near-monopoly on moving firearms.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

Ruger make great firearms. I have had a few ruger rifles, one ruger revolver, and one of their pistols, all excellent. But i have to say i find the Ruger .22 semi-auto pistols heavy, especially if long barreled.

Having a MK 2 target bull barrel,I have to say they are a super accurate, once in a lifetime-buy pistol.But disassembly and reassembly is ONE major PITFA to do right. Can see why its probably easier to take the grips off and dunk the whole thing in a flat box tray of Hoppes No 9 bore solvent, blast off any excess with an airline and re-lube essential points.

SVI40

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

2 and 3 are legit govt fee of a 100 euros for the paperwork.
230 for uninsured postage is off the scales.
Reckon that's Deutsche post/DHL throwing their weight about with a near-monopoly on moving firearms.

Agreed. I'll know for the next time. I could have flown over and collected it for less. When it did arrive, the just handed to the kids when they answered the door. No id, no asking for me, nothing. Not a very secure shipment, considering the fee.

Great pistol though, circa 1979 High Standard Victor. Up there with the older S&W 41's.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Having a MK 2 target bull barrel,I have to say they are a super accurate, once in a lifetime-buy pistol.But disassembly and reassembly is ONE major PITFA to do right. Can see why its probably easier to take the grips off and dunk the whole thing in a flat box tray of Hoppes No 9 bore solvent, blast off any excess with an airline and re-lube essential points.

Thats all gone with the new ones, but you can get a kit for the older models, remove one screw and thats it.


https://www.eabco.net/Speed-Strip-Kits-for-Ruger-Mk-I-II-III-and-2245-_p_13702.html

Grizzly 45

PERPETUALLY out of stock that unit on that website.:eek:

Grizzly 45

SVI40 wrote: »

Agreed. I'll know for the next time. I could have flown over and collected it for less. When it did arrive, the just handed to the kids when they answered the door. No id, no asking for me, nothing. Not a very secure shipment, considering the fee.

Great pistol though, circa 1979 High Standard Victor. Up there with the older S&W 41's.

Yup,how my Mk 2 arrived as well. The Victor is a lovely pistol
, the only drawback is you have to feed it a particular brand of ammo that you have formed the mag feeding lips to, it is a bit of a fussy eater on that point.

1874

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

PERPETUALLY out of stock that unit on that website.:eek:

Thats my hopes raised and dashed in minutes,

tudderone

1874 wrote: »

Thats my hopes raised and dashed in minutes,

Probably out of production with the Chinese Lurgy !

SVI40

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yup,how my Mk 2 arrived as well. The Victor is a lovely pistol
, the only drawback is you have to feed it a particular brand of ammo that you have formed the mag feeding lips to, it is a bit of a fussy eater on that point.

Not had that issue with it, shoots SK, Eley, CCI, Blaser, Geco. If you get the original mags, they are fine, but some of the KKK mags just will not work.

Wadi14

The guy that made the Majestic arms speed strip is dead so cant see him making anymore, if I'm not mistaken there a guy has a Ruger for sale here on Boards that has the speed strip kit installed,
I'm nearly sure its the hunter model.

Ohh when we are talking classics I have a Hammerli 215S, fantastically well make pistol

tudderone

Wadi14 wrote: »

The guy that made the Majestic arms speed strip is dead so cant see him making anymore, if I'm not mistaken there a guy has a Ruger for sale here on Boards that has the speed strip kit installed,
I'm nearly sure its the hunter model.

Ohh when we are talking classics I have a Hammerli 215S, fantastically well make pistol

I remember trying to buy one of those from Germany years ago and the usual sh1te happened, dealers not wanting to help you, but wanting to sell you the crap they wanted to sell.

Wadi14

tudderone wrote: »

I remember trying to buy one of those from Germany years ago and the usual sh1te happened, dealers not wanting to help you, but wanting to sell you the crap they wanted to sell.

I cut out the middle man and bought it myself from Germany. I don't shoot it too much and think I should sell it, but it's difficult to part with it.

Grizzly 45

SVI40 wrote: »

Not had that issue with it, shoots SK, Eley, CCI, Blaser, Geco. If you get the original mags, they are fine, but some of the KKK mags just will not work.

My uncle has one,and its all original with the original mags and that was its hiccup. There are whole threads on High standard boards on this problem.

Just to make sure we are talking about the same pistol?. As there are two there is the original HS "THE VICTOR" and then a later model called just "VICTOR" when HS came back the 2nd time.
We have "The Victor" model.So this might not apply to a "Victor "model. Just to clear up any confusion.:)

SVI40

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

My uncle has one,and its all original with the original mags and that was its hiccup. There are whole threads on High standard boards on this problem.

Just to make sure we are talking about the same pistol?. As there are two there is the original HS "THE VICTOR" and then a later model called just "VICTOR" when HS came back the 2nd time.
We have "The Victor" model.So this might not apply to a "Victor "model. Just to clear up any confusion.:)

Mine is just the "Victor". Same build, with no feed ramp. Agreed, the recommended ammo was CCI standard (very slightly longer according to all the HS forums), but mine has worked with everything so far, with the original mags. Maybe I need to buy a lotto ticket tonight .

jb88

PSXDupe wrote: »

@JB88

No one said the process was difficult, however it is extremely slow. Dealers up north very rarely have new 22LR pistol either. The reason being you can licence full bore pistol just as easy as a rimfire pistol up North.

You also have the fact the you cannot have pistols in the UK so therefore the dealers up North are really only dealing with a small customer base.

If you want a specific pistol, then you need to order it and wait.

I am speaking from experience, I have had pistol licences granted within 2 weeks and 2 more weeks for an import permit from Germany and another week for a pistol to arrive from Germany, totaling 5-6 weeks.

I have also had S&W pistols coming from the USA which took almost 11 months to get here.

It is a complicate enough process for dealers to get the pistol in. For the end user it is the same process as always, get a serial, apply, get your licence and collect your firearm, that doesn't change, just can take a lot longer when it comes to pistols.

When it comes to price, most dealers down south will give you a better price for the same pistol as up north.

Maybe you are dealing with Different guys, I have always found it much easier to import firearms via NI than directly into Ireland, less complication and everyone knows their part, and they are not there to rip you off. In fact I prefer this way if possible, and maybe you are not dealing with the same guys I transact business with, but they generally have an abundance of .22 pistols as well as may other guns which quite simply are not available in ROI and if they are its hugely inflated. "ROI dealer Tax", as I call it, and you wait 6 months to get the gun in before you can even try it in some cases.

Got 2 firearms last summer from UK, took 6 weeks including licence from date of order in the UK until I collected, but hey I know what im doing, its not exactly my first rodeo. 6 weeks from purchase, licence and into my possession.

With a couple of Dealer exceptions in Ireland as an amendment, now I did buy a S&W Model 41 via NI recently at what I would call an absolute steal, to a dealer in Ireland, I have yet to ask for a licence but thats my own delay.
But I only do any significant business with 4 Dealers in Ireland, the rest eithier dont have what I want or are rip off merchants and there are a few.

jb88

PSXDupe wrote: »

@JB88

One point I forgot, a dealer up North cannot simply transfer the pistol to a dealer down South.

The dealer down south still needs an import permit, which still needs a copy of the end users licence. So even if you find a pistol up north, the process is still the same for the dealer down south, still needs an import permit etc.

So when the end user gets their licence, they cannot go pick it up, because it will still take a number of weeks for the transfer to happen (post granting of the licence)

Let me tell you something, If you have a licence for a Gun in Ireland then its considered imported because its on the Garda Pulse system, that entitles you to go and get it. North or south, A licence granted means its already considered imported.

otmmyboy2

jb88 wrote: »

Let me tell you something, If you have a licence for a Gun in Ireland then its considered imported because its on the Garda Pulse system, that entitles you to go and get it. North or south, A licence granted means its already considered imported.

Yup, the only addition needed is a NI visitors pass to collect it from the NI dealer.

jb88 since you've been around that rodeo a few times, have you ever done a visitors permit for a firearm part from NI?

I've a barrel in mind that I'd like to nab from the UK, get it sent up North and collect it when the liklihood of meeting a checkpoint is lessened.

The shop said the barrel must be listed on the NI visitors permit before they can release it to me, but after chatting to the PSNI they said only the parent firearm needs to be listed.

Wadi14

If the PSNI say the parent firearm, list it, fill in the relevant details on your Form 30/38 ring the dealer in the North and see if he will act as sponsor for you (anyone in the North can do sponsor) , the NI visitors pass is sent to a sponsor in the North not to you.

https://www.psni.police.uk/globalassets/advice--information/firearms/documents/form-30-38---application-for-a-visitor-s-permit-to-enable-possession-of-a-firearm-and-ammunition-in-northern-ireland-by-persons-other-than-gb-.pdf

Download the form and fill in all the relevant parts and your reason, which is collect and travel through NI with the rifle barrel.

You need a copy of your EU pass if you don't have one get one from your local Garda Station.
(make sure the firearm license is current)
and 16 pounds sterling money order or cheque

Once you have all your info entered send the form and copy of EU pass and fee to your sponsor,

What I do with mine is I fill in everything and then get my sponsor to sign it and I post it and my pass comes back to my sponsor. PSNI say send form in 6 weeks prior to the date your want to enter NI, keep that in mind.

DocKS123

Is it possible to take your firearm out of the Irish state? travel to Europe or the USA with it? (When we can travel again)

Wadi14

You can but just don't stick it in your suitcase, you need the proper documentation.

smmember20

DocKS123 wrote: »

Is it possible to take your firearm out of the Irish state? travel to Europe or the USA with it? (When we can travel again)

Its a bit like making an application to own a firearm, when travelling you need a reason to carry the firearms with you.

The EU pass makes transportation of sporting firearms across Europe easier but each country has their own rules. I ahve travelled extensively for competiton to USA and many locations in Europe. The country you are going to needs to be investigated as to the rules they employ, going to NI or the UK you need to get a specific visitors permit, in NI you need a sponsor. In some EU countries you just turn up but show the paperwork related to the competition you are going to.

For USA the paperwork is alittle more involved but you do need evidence of particpation in competition.

Travelling with a firearm on an aricraft you need to declare it ahead of time, it needs to be in a secure locked box which is inspected prior to departure, some airlines do no take firearms and of course like all sporting equipment they relieve you of between €50 and €70 per trip

So the answer is yes you can but you need a reason and the appropriate paperwork

BattleCorp

I'm not sure if the rules are still the same but Aer Lingus would only let me transport ammo in a locked box and the combined weight of the locked box and ammo was only allowed to be 5kg. That ain't a lot of ammo when you take into account the weight of the box.

cookimonster

DocKS123 wrote: »

Is it possible to take your firearm out of the Irish state? travel to Europe or the USA with it? (When we can travel again)

For EU and via Ferry.

Apply for a European Firearms Pass (only valid for the duration of you firearms license)

Check that your firearm is compatible with the country of destination, previously certain military calibres were prohibited in various countries although this has changed certain countries (France comes to mind) prohibit the .223/5.56. Also check function / magazine capacity/ use of moderator etc, etc.

For the likes of France you require a just reason to have the firearms with you this can be done with a valid Frence Huntung Permit or proof of competition (someone else needs to comment on the competition side)

For Irish Ferrys
Most important 'No Ammunition' and the firearm must be 'broken' - for rifles just remove the bolt.
On embarking you declare the carriage of firearms at the check in desk. On this side of the water they may ask you a few questions, check your paperwork and ensure you have no ammo. They can ask to have the firearms locked up in secure accommodation or ask for your car keys when boarded and parked up (yet to happen to me)
On disembarking, just roll off and through usual arrivals checks, no need to declare the firearms and off you go.

On the return journey from France theres a stricter procedure. You report to the check in, declare the firearms and then you'll be asked to report to the terminal desk. Here you'll be quizzed again and asked to sign a declaration. Back to the car, back in the queue, you may be embarked with the others or singled out, don't be surprised to be asked the same question over and over as you go through the embankment process.
On disembarking, just roll off and through usual arrivals checks, no need to declare the firearms and off you go. I was asked by customs what I was carrying, when I said I had firaearms, they were more interested in how much wine I had.

As a by the by, I looked into the land bridge option but couldn't get a clear answer as how to pass through the UK with firearms. If I was hunting or competing there then there was no issue the process is self explanatory but passing through via land bridge..... nothing. I even got in touch with the UK Homeoffice to no prevail. A lad I know travelled through the UK via land bridge onto mainland Europe for a competition, but they travelled with an UK club who sorted all the needs.

smmember20

cookimonster wrote: »

For EU and via Ferry.

Apply for a European Firearms Pass (only valid for the duration of you firearms license)

Check that your firearm is compatible with the country of destination, previously certain military calibres were prohibited in various countries although this has changed certain countries (France comes to mind) prohibit the .223/5.56. Also check function / magazine capacity/ use of moderator etc, etc.

For the likes of France you require a just reason to have the firearms with you this can be done with a valid Frence Huntung Permit or proof of competition (someone else needs to comment on the competition side)

For Irish Ferrys
Most important 'No Ammunition' and the firearm must be 'broken' - for rifles just remove the bolt.
On embarking you declare the carriage of firearms at the check in desk. On this side of the water they may ask you a few questions, check your paperwork and ensure you have no ammo. They can ask to have the firearms locked up in secure accommodation or ask for your car keys when boarded and parked up (yet to happen to me)
On disembarking, just roll off and through usual arrivals checks, no need to declare the firearms and off you go.

On the return journey from France theres a stricter procedure. You report to the check in, declare the firearms and then you'll be asked to report to the terminal desk. Here you'll be quizzed again and asked to sign a declaration. Back to the car, back in the queue, you may be embarked with the others or singled out, don't be surprised to be asked the same question over and over as you go through the embankment process.
On disembarking, just roll off and through usual arrivals checks, no need to declare the firearms and off you go. I was asked by customs what I was carrying, when I said I had firaearms, they were more interested in how much wine I had.

As a by the by, I looked into the land bridge option but couldn't get a clear answer as how to pass through the UK with firearms. If I was hunting or competing there then there was no issue the process is self explanatory but passing through via land bridge..... nothing. I even got in touch with the UK Homeoffice to no prevail. A lad I know travelled through the UK via land bridge onto mainland Europe for a competition, but they travelled with an UK club who sorted all the needs.

Entry to France for competition: you need EU pass and a letter from the competition organsier with details of the competition.
If looking to travel through UK you cannot with a pistol, even transiting through London for example with a pistol could land you in jail!!

SVI40

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not sure if the rules are still the same but Aer Lingus would only let me transport ammo in a locked box and the combined weight of the locked box and ammo was only allowed to be 5kg. That ain't a lot of ammo when you take into account the weight of the box.

Yep, still the same. From a pal of mine who works in the transport industry and specialises in dangerous goods, the actual rules are for 5kg of powder, not ammo. But, because they had no way of knowing how much power was in a loaded round, they just said ammo instead.

I've a letter from Aer Lingus stating the 5kg is not inclusive of the storage box, but, depending who is the supervisor that day, they may, or may not accept the letter. For me, it's the difference between 200 and 250 rounds. So far, I've always been allowed be a bit over. The only time I had a issue was when I was taking 500 empty cases as well as the loaded ammo, they, (Lufthansa) would not take them, as they were in a bag with my firearms and not in ammo boxes.

jb88

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Yup, the only addition needed is a NI visitors pass to collect it from the NI dealer.

jb88 since you've been around that rodeo a few times, have you ever done a visitors permit for a firearm part from NI?

I've a barrel in mind that I'd like to nab from the UK, get it sent up North and collect it when the liklihood of meeting a checkpoint is lessened.

The shop said the barrel must be listed on the NI visitors permit before they can release it to me, but after chatting to the PSNI they said only the parent firearm needs to be listed.

Dealer in NI told me when I handed him my Irish Licences, "Well its imported now". Picked up my 2 guns and left.

All this boards scare tactics, half these guys havent a clue, get advice from the NI dealer if he can get what you want and buy it from him. Gotta find the right one though.

otmmyboy2

jb88 wrote: »

Dealer in NI told me when I handed him my Irish Licences, "Well its imported now". Picked up my 2 guns and left.

All this boards scare tactics, half these guys havent a clue, get advice from the NI dealer if he can get what you want and buy it from him. Gotta find the right one though.

Got a recommendation for a decent NI dealer?
If you'd prefer to PM it to me please do, I've rang around a few and gotten a series of different answers from each

tudderone

https://gundeal.co.uk

smmember20

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

Got a recommendation for a decent NI dealer?
If you'd prefer to PM it to me please do, I've rang around a few and gotten a series of different answers from each

RELOAD SHOP, based in NITSA, 10KM north of Newry has a great selection of anyting you want, Ruger in particular prices very good, see a MKIII for sale 350stg not a bad price and looks good. Has a 617 (rare find) also....................

smmember20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/116455888#Comment_116455888

Interesting piece of advice: I was reviewing the thread as a person I know wants to import a pistol, a .22 pistol is categorized as a Section B firearm in legislation therefore the following applies:

Individuals importing firearms - The Department of Justice

http://www.justice.ie › JELR › Pages › eu_individuals_i...

2. 
   

For firearms listed as Category B (PDF - 88KB) you will need to obtain a document entitled an Article 7. This is issued by a superintendent of An Garda ...

This applies to the initial acquisition and where the firearms license becomes an import document is if you are travelling with the firearm into or out of the country.

The article 7 Authority actually relates to EU transfer of firearms, so I do not know how it is affected by Brexit. The article 7 is usually applied for after the license has issued but can be applied for also after the license has been issued for some time, in compliance with the legislation, refer to the legislation.

An import license issued by DOJ is effectively the same and in my experience is easier to get as it is sometimes like pulling hens teeth to go through the layers of understanding by the FO and the district office to get an Article 7 from the super.

In essence JB88 if you did not get an article 7 or an import cert for your pistols imported from NI, despite having a firearms license you are actually in breach of the legislation, you can still now apply for the Article 7 to be fully compliant, I'd hate to speculate on the legal status of an imported pistol just because it is on pulse!!! Sorry to be a pain in the side but it could come back to bite!!!

PS if in possession or transporting a pistol in NI you need a PSNI Firearms Visitors Permit.

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117743152#Comment_117743152

Its deemed imported when it goes on Pulse, thats what a grant letter does, it gives you the authority to now own that firearm regardless of where it is. In NI as soon as a dealer signs it off his books as he has been shown and give a copy of a licence then it can automatically be transferred to a Dealer in ROI, the dealers look after that paperwork if there is any.

You just need to find the right people who know what they are doing in this case. Nothing ever bites me. Im the one doing the biting if there is any to be done

Cass

A few things that need clarifying.

jb88 - Its deemed imported when it goes on Pulse

No its not. Its deemed licensed to the person, hence registered, when its on PULSE. It is only imported when the importation process has been completed either by the individual or the RFDs if a person uses that method.

jb88 - thats what a grant letter does,

No it doesn't. A grant letter is a notification of a successful application which upon payment of the license fee you get the actual license. A grant letter is not a license.

jb88 -  it gives you the authority to now own that firearm regardless of where it is.

Nope. It permits you to possess that firearm in the 26 counties, only. A license is not proof of ownership.

The information in this thread is going from bad to outright dangerous and illegal. Telling people that all they need to do is to produce a Southern Ireland firearms license to a Northern Ireland (or any out of country) dealer and for that dealer to say "its imported now" is wrong not to mention illegal and dangeous. You need to import the firearm legally which means through the proper channels and getting the proper import forms. If an RFD is importing for you then all that is taken care of, but for an individual they will need the import documentation, and if traveling across the border to collect the firearm they will need a NI visitor's pass to possess the firearms as an Irish license counts for spit outside of Ireland.

Lastly, for a man that is quick with the mouth to criticise this forum and the members of it for "scare" tactics that are actual legal requirements, and then insult the rest by saying they don't know what they are talking about, to come out with the sheer amount of illegal and downright wrong nonsense you've just posted is somewhat staggering.

Cass

MODERATOR NOTE.

I'm closing this thread to review the so called "information" posted in it. The last few post have me worried that the same illegal "advice" has been posted prior to the resurrection of this thread and as such may lead people to either believe or follow a course of action that may land them in trouble.