What is the greatest waste of money you've seen?

2lazytogetup

350 a week Covid payments and covid payments to businesses


id say for every 1 genuine cause, 2 are milking the system.

Id say in 5 years from now we wont care about the harm done by keeping kids locked up, but the billions we spent giving free money to people milking the system.

touts

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-the-public/search-the-register-of-charities

You're nothing in South County Dublin if your accountant hasn't set your spouse up as the head of a charity.

AndrewJRenko

touts wrote: »

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-the-public/search-the-register-of-charities

You're nothing in South County Dublin if your accountant hasn't set your spouse up as the head of a charity.

Id guess that most heads of charities are somebody's spouse. Would you like to be more specific?

CucaFace

Any work the county council's or city councils do.

I watched the DCC replace the path on a patch on Upper Gardiner street that took over 8 weeks just before covid started. There must have been 10 guys working on this, with most just standing there doing nothing. If everyone there was getting paid €600 a week (which im sure most are getting more) wages alone would have been €48,000 on that job, never mind the cost of the paving slabs, the tar and the 2 trucks that were there also.

If this was done by a private company it would have taken no more then 3/4 days and with half the number of employee's. The area being fixed by the way was tiny. I couldn't believe how long they were at it.

I would guess this is the same for every job the councils do so i can just imagine how much of our money is being wasted constantly.

2lazytogetup

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Id guess that most heads of charities are somebody's spouse. Would you like to be more specific?

not sure about how it relates to a waste of money...?

The board members of alot of charities in Ireland live in expensive houses in leafy south Dublin.

Does the poster mean that paying them a salary (do they get a salary?) is a waste of money as they have alot of money anyway and there is something immoral about earning typical board member rates of money on the board of a charity?

dxhound2005

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

No, it's not - because every stage of the manual process takes place under public scrutiny. Stakeholders are well versed in the control procedures and preventing any interference with votes.

Now tell us how you prevent interference with digital votes from the time the vote is entered at the keyboard please?

Hundreds or thousands of human beings involved in the scrutiny. And you are fully accepting that none of them could do anything underhand. But for some reason you think that other human beings would interfere with a new system. It would only take a few bent types to get together to interfere with the manual system, and you have offered no proof that this cannot happen.

Montage of Feck

auspicious wrote: »

Unviable farm subsidies

The price for food in the supermarkets is less than it costs to produce it.

pgj2015

heretothere wrote: »

Because it looks awful! There is one not too dissimilar to that in my hometown. My local graveyard now all just have simple headstones

Even if it does look awful, its in a graveyard, its not like they built it in your back garden, how often will you see it? That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. first world problems really. if I go to a graveyard, it is to visit a grave of someone I know, I wouldn't let a huge gravestone bother me.

Zak Flaps

touts

2lazytogetup wrote: »

not sure about how it relates to a waste of money...?

The board members of alot of charities in Ireland live in expensive houses in leafy south Dublin.

Does the poster mean that paying them a salary (do they get a salary?) is a waste of money as they have alot of money anyway and there is something immoral about earning typical board member rates of money on the board of a charity?

The Charity Industry is the biggest scam and tax dodge in the country. Paying all these board members is both a waste of money and immoral when there are multiple other "charities" claiming to be doing the same thing for the same people who never seem to get helped.

pgj2015

covid money given to certain businesses last summer, 80% of staff wages in hotels, cafes, restaurants were subsidized by the state, and because of staycations these businesses were never as busy.

steinbock123

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I saw this shared on Facebook recently.



What is the greatest waste of money you've seen?

Where exactly is this grave situated ? .

AndrewJRenko

CucaFace wrote: »

Any work the county council's or city councils do.

I watched the DCC replace the path on a patch on Upper Gardiner street that took over 8 weeks just before covid started. There must have been 10 guys working on this, with most just standing there doing nothing. If everyone there was getting paid €600 a week (which im sure most are getting more) wages alone would have been €48,000 on that job, never mind the cost of the paving slabs, the tar and the 2 trucks that were there also.

If this was done by a private company it would have taken no more then 3/4 days and with half the number of employee's. The area being fixed by the way was tiny. I couldn't believe how long they were at it.

I would guess this is the same for every job the councils do so i can just imagine how much of our money is being wasted constantly.

You know that all of these jobs have been contracted out to private companies for years now?

AndrewJRenko

touts wrote: »

The Charity Industry is the biggest scam and tax dodge in the country. Paying all these board members is both a waste of money and immoral when there are multiple other "charities" claiming to be doing the same thing for the same people who never seem to get helped.

Charity board members aren't paid. They are volunteers.

NIMAN

touts wrote: »

The Charity Industry is the biggest scam and tax dodge in the country. Paying all these board members is both a waste of money and immoral when there are multiple other "charities" claiming to be doing the same thing for the same people who never seem to get helped.

The homeless charities are a perfect example.

We have loads of them in Ireland. Yet they don't seem to sort many issues.

Doesn't the Peter McVerry Trust have hundreds of staff with an €18,000,000 wage bill?

AndrewJRenko

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Hundreds or thousands of human beings involved in the scrutiny. And you are fully accepting that none of them could do anything underhand. But for some reason you think that other human beings would interfere with a new system. It would only take a few bent types to get together to interfere with the manual system, and you have offered no proof that this cannot happen.

Have you ever actually been at an election count? It really sounds like you haven't.

The scrutineers are behind the barriers, so they get to watch, but not touch. They don't have the opportunity to do anything underhand. But they do get to watch every movement of every box.

So maybe you could point out the security flaws of the current system?

The big problem with the new system is the ability to change votes digitally without leaving any trace.

ButtersSuki

Bass Reeves wrote: »

GAA players have been compared on to other athletes over the years. On all matrix's used to hey compare very well. I remember about 10+ years ago ( and there training has changed immensely since) there body fat levels were compared to other athletes. It was higher than runners but lower than field sport athlete's.

If you had read the article that I posted you have seen that these players run farther, sprint more and are as fast as the highest level professional soccer players. Rugby players actually do not compare to the intensity of GAA. Most of the time they are jogging with only very limited sprinting. Yes they may be physically stronger but it is more in the sense of a weight lifter rather than a runner.

The statement made comparing Tadgh Fourlong to a GAA players was totally incorrect. He would not last on a GAA pitch. The only field sport players that are as fit, fast and strong as GAA players are Aussie rules players. The statement made was complete snobbery just like you statement above. I have a fairly good divisions understand of how to compare different types of athletes. GAA players compare well and always have.

30+ years ago profession baseball players were astounded watching hurlers in a training game before an All Star match in the US. Kevin Moran was send home for two weeks from pre training at Manchester United when he first went over in 1978(I think that was the year) as he was too for and was showing up professional players. A South African international coach showed a football match to his players about 25 years ago. He then told the astonished r professional players that these guys did not get paid. A GG football coach Mickey net O Sullivan spend 2-3 months in South Africa teach rugby players how-to jump from a virtual standing position.

Ok, we’ll try this again. Please read my post.

You are now posting unreferenced “examples” from 30-40+ years ago as proof, really? Not to mention that sports science, training, and nutrition have evolved more in the last 30years than at any stage in history.

In my original post I said you were using extremely limited criteria for your classification of an athlete.

% body fat for a player like a Furlong is a daft measure. If Furlong was in the 5-% body fat category he wouldn’t be able to play his position at the level he does. His body fat % for his position compared to another sport is completely irrelevant as a measure of fitness. Have you ever seen an international prop with 4% body fat? No. And there’s a reason for it. Likewise you don’t see inter-county GAA players who look like Furlong.

You do realise that at elite level every sport has sport specific criteria that lead to success in that game?

Strength is a component of fitness too, you do know this, right? Do you know what professional rugby players are expected to be able to bench press and squat relative to their weight? Do you think GAA players are are strong as international rugby players? They’re not, but it doesn’t matter because they’re not required to be to play their game. Indeed if there was a GAA player who trained like a rugby player or vice versa they would soon become unsuitable for their game as the training for each is so different.

Your logic is akin to saying the world’s best 100m swimmer would be crap at GAA and is therefore not fit and not an athlete. Or the world’s best marathon runner is not great at the long jump so therefore isn’t an athlete in your eyes. Or Tom Brady is a crap athlete because he can’t sprint at elite level.

Btw, my primary degree is in Sports Science and I played sport (basketball) at international level. What are your qualifications in this area?

2lazytogetup

NIMAN wrote: »

The homeless charities are a perfect example.

We have loads of them in Ireland. Yet they don't seem to sort many issues.

Doesn't the Peter McVerry Trust have hundreds of staff with an €18,000,000 wage bill?

id say the board members of charities are being paid. i cant see a scenerio where members sit on the board and get nothing while charity staff on the ground get paid.

ive had hearsay that people working in charities might have initially done it for the right reasons but now just see what is in it for them. wasnt there a leak about David Beckam not happy with the quality of the flight he was provided by a charity.

i give loads to charity ever year. but not because i see it as going to those in need .its because a friend is doing a run so i feel a bit of pressure and also i want to reward the friends run's efforts. Or my kids will be scorned by the locall GAA team if i dont donate to the coaches cause.

whisky_galore

NIMAN wrote: »

The homeless charities are a perfect example.

We have loads of them in Ireland. Yet they don't seem to sort many issues.

Doesn't the Peter McVerry Trust have hundreds of staff with an €18,000,000 wage bill?

Loads of overlapping charadees for same or similar causes. Any old eegit can set one up.
I wouldn't give a red cent to them.

AndrewJRenko

2lazytogetup wrote: »

id say the board members of charities are being paid. i cant see a scenerio where members sit on the board and get nothing while charity staff on the ground get paid.

It is illegal to pay charity board members. They are volunteers.

Some people who think differently to you are happy to serve charities on a voluntary basis.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been looking at websites of wedding decor suppliers and my God, the amount of tacky rubbish some people spend their money on. Flower walls, bird cages, fake trees, bikes, photobooths, doughnut walls.

All rotten looking.

Big weddings in general. Most people over 30 and under 70 grimace when they get a wedding invite and all the tat and crap that people agonise over and spend a fortune on goes largely unnoticed.

dxhound2005

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Have you ever actually been at an election count? It really sounds like you haven't.

The scrutineers are behind the barriers, so they get to watch, but not touch. They don't have the opportunity to do anything underhand. But they do get to watch every movement of every box.

So maybe you could point out the security flaws of the current system?

The big problem with the new system is the ability to change votes digitally without leaving any trace.

But still no proof that your vote got counted, or was not changed before it was counted. Conspiracy theorists, like those in America, make up lies about voting machines, and then challenge everyone else to prove them wrong. Well a conspiracy theorist could equally make up stories that paper votes are being interfered with, and challenge everyone else to prove them wrong.

After all the "scrutiny" in one election, a candidate went to court to challenge the outcome.

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/supreme-court-orders-all-votes-in-listowel-local-elections-to-be-counted-afresh

Bass Reeves

Bass Reeves wrote: »

GAA players have been compared on to other athletes over the years. On all matrix's used to hey compare very well. I remember about 10+ years ago ( and there training has changed immensely since) there body fat levels were compared to other athletes. It was higher than runners but lower than field sport athlete's.

If you had read the article that I posted you have seen that these players run farther, sprint more and are as fast as the highest level professional soccer players. Rugby players actually do not compare to the intensity of GAA. Most of the time they are jogging with only very limited sprinting. Yes they may be physically stronger but it is more in the sense of a weight lifter rather than a runner.

The statement made comparing Tadgh Fourlong to a GAA players was totally incorrect. He would not last on a GAA pitch. The only field sport players that are as fit, fast and strong as GAA players are Aussie rules players. The statement made was complete snobbery just like you statement above. I have a fairly good divisions understand of how to compare different types of athletes. GAA players compare well and always have.

30+ years ago profession baseball players were astounded watching hurlers in a training game before an All Star match in the US. Kevin Moran was send home for two weeks from pre training at Manchester United when he first went over in 1978(I think that was the year) as he was too for and was showing up professional players. A South African international coach showed a football match to his players about 25 years ago. He then told the astonished r professional players that these guys did not get paid. A GG football coach Mickey net O Sullivan spend 2-3 months in South Africa teach rugby players how-to jump from a virtual standing position.

Can you provide evidence to support some of these claims? The Kevin Moran anecdote sounds like an urban legend, like the one about Graham Geraghty that was doing the rounds a few years back.

2lazytogetup

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It is illegal to pay charity board members. They are volunteers.

Some people who think differently to you are happy to serve charities on a voluntary basis.

ive no agenda here and not trying to argue a point. some boards are designated non-profit and thus only directors expenses

did things change since a few charity bosses got in trouble for high rates of pay.

AndrewJRenko

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But still no proof that your vote got counted, or was not changed before it was counted. Conspiracy theorists, like those in America, make up lies about voting machines, and then challenge everyone else to prove them wrong. Well a conspiracy theorist could equally make up stories that paper votes are being interfered with, and challenge everyone else to prove them wrong.

After all the "scrutiny" in one election, a candidate went to court to challenge the outcome.

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/supreme-court-orders-all-votes-in-listowel-local-elections-to-be-counted-afresh

Perhaps you missed my question :

So maybe you could point out the security flaws of the current system?

Funnily enough, I started out taking your position, about 20 years ago. Then I spent a lot of time digging into the proposed Irish system, and saw how ridiculously weak it was.

I've also spent quite a bit of time at election counts over the years, seeing the controls and integrity of the current system.

But if you believe the current system is flawed, please point out the specific weaknesses or the kinds of attacks that could succeed.

AndrewJRenko

2lazytogetup wrote: »

ive no agenda here and not trying to argue a point. some boards are designated non-profit and thus only directors expenses

did things change since a few charity bosses got in trouble for high rates of pay.

"non-profit" has no legal meaning in Ireland. If you are a trustee or director of a charity in Ireland, you cannot be paid for that role

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-charities/who-is-a-charity-trustee#

ButtersSuki

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Ok, we’ll try this again. Please read my post.

You are now posting unreferenced “examples” from 30-40+ years ago as proof, really? Not to mention that sports science, training, and nutrition have evolved more in the last 30years than at any stage in history.

In my original post I said you were using extremely limited criteria for your classification of an athlete.

% body fat for a player like a Furlong is a daft measure. If Furlong was in the 5-% body fat category he wouldn’t be able to play his position at the level he does. His body fat % for his position compared to another sport is completely irrelevant as a measure of fitness. Have you ever seen an international prop with 4% body fat? No. And there’s a reason for it. Likewise you don’t see inter-county GAA players who look like Furlong.

You do realise that at elite level every sport has sport specific criteria that lead to success in that game?

Strength is a component of fitness too, you do know this, right? Do you know what professional rugby players are expected to be able to bench press and squat relative to their weight? Do you think GAA players are are strong as international rugby players? They’re not, but it doesn’t matter because they’re not required to be to play their game. Indeed if there was a GAA player who trained like a rugby player or vice versa they would soon become unsuitable for their game as the training for each is so different.

Your logic is akin to saying the world’s best 100m swimmer would be crap at GAA and is therefore not fit and not an athlete. Or the world’s best marathon runner is not great at the long jump so therefore isn’t an athlete in your eyes. Or Tom Brady is a crap athlete because he can’t sprint at elite level.

Btw, my primary degree is in Sports Science and I played sport (basketball) at international level. What are your qualifications in this area?

rugby just looks like fat blokes rolling around in the mud,and given the amount of concussion injuries,our youth shouldnt be playing it (adults are free to do as they wish)


Your entire post kinda justifies the view,that players who.juice up,will do better in rugby (and the penalties for doing so,are small enough compared to other sports)

dxhound2005

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Perhaps you missed my question :

So maybe you could point out the security flaws of the current system?

Funnily enough, I started out taking your position, about 20 years ago. Then I spent a lot of time digging into the proposed Irish system, and saw how ridiculously weak it was.

I've also spent quite a bit of time at election counts over the years, seeing the controls and integrity of the current system.

But if you believe the current system is flawed, please point out the specific weaknesses or the kinds of attacks that could succeed.

The false claims about the machines in America were tested in court and thrown out. This has allowed the companies who suffered from the lies to sue those who published them. Have the claims you are making ever been tested in court?

2lazytogetup

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

"non-profit" has no legal meaning in Ireland. If you are a trustee or director of a charity in Ireland, you cannot be paid for that role

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-charities/who-is-a-charity-trustee#

Thanks Andrew, i learn something new everyday.

Ray Donovan

paw patrol wrote: »

NGOs

€5.5 billion a year from the Irish government baby!!! Just to constantly remind me I'm racist against someone.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But still no proof that your vote got counted, or was not changed before it was counted. Conspiracy theorists, like those in America, make up lies about voting machines, and then challenge everyone else to prove them wrong. Well a conspiracy theorist could equally make up stories that paper votes are being interfered with, and challenge everyone else to prove them wrong.

After all the "scrutiny" in one election, a candidate went to court to challenge the outcome.

https://www.irishlegal.com/article/supreme-court-orders-all-votes-in-listowel-local-elections-to-be-counted-afresh

So in a big old search you get a court mandated recount in a council election in Listowel. Which was then recounted. That’s the system working.

The conspiracy theories about the voting machines are part of the problem. It is precisely because they are not transparent that they can be assumed to be hacked.

And apparently the Russians did try interfere in 2016 with the machines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/russian-hacking-elections.html

But... speed.

ButtersSuki

Deleted User wrote: »

rugby just looks like fat blokes rolling around in the mud,and given the amount of concussion injuries,our youth shouldnt be playing it (adults are free to do as they wish)


Your entire post kinda justifies the view,that players who.juice up,will do better in rugby (and the penalties for doing so,are small enough compared to other sports)

That’s what you took from my post? Wow.

I can watch and admire almost all sports, but your GAA-bias is bordering on ignorance. I wasn’t defending rugby (my post was a counter post to the limited view expressed that athletes were defined by the narrowest of criteria) and I certainly don’t endorse doping of any kind but you and the other GAA-head with his unreferenced anecdotes from 40 years ago are so backward in your thinking and logic about elite sport it’s laughable.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

"non-profit" has no legal meaning in Ireland. If you are a trustee or director of a charity in Ireland, you cannot be paid for that role

https://www.charitiesregulator.ie/en/information-for-charities/who-is-a-charity-trustee#

But management and the CEOs do get paid of course. The boards aren’t day to day managers.

whomitconcerns

steinbock123 wrote: »

Where exactly is this grave situated ? .

Looks like French writing.. But Gypsy inscription to Saint Sarah. Mad looking yoke

Joe Schmo

NIMAN wrote: »

The homeless charities are a perfect example.

We have loads of them in Ireland. Yet they don't seem to sort many issues.

Doesn't the Peter McVerry Trust have hundreds of staff with an €18,000,000 wage bill?

From 2019 annual accounts filed by Peter Mcverry Trust: https://pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2019-PMVT-CLG-Signed-Audited-Accounts.pdf

Appears to have assets (buildings, cars) of €68.3m (2016 figure: €19.6m)
Yearly income of €46.7m, ~60% state funded (2016: €17.6m, ~50% statue funded, ~50% donations)
CEO earned €110-120k, 27 employees earned €60-80k (2016: CEO earned 98k, 7 employees earned €60k-€80k)
Approx 627 other employees earning less than €60k. (2016: #290)
Total wage bill: €26m (2016: €11.6m)

In 2016 8,000 people accessed its services. The charity had over 760 beds that year. That works out at over €23,000 per bed.
In 2019 6,184 people accessed it services. The charity had over 1,600 beds that year. That works out at over €29,000 per bed. 76% of services users were male. The charity assisted over 400 people to exit homelessness.

Disclaimer: I don't donate to homeless services but I am active in charity sector and see it as very worthwhile for society.

L1011

Ray Donovan wrote: »

€5.5 billion a year from the Irish government baby!!! Just to constantly remind me I'm racist against someone.

The majority of that funding is to agencies providing services the state should be, but isn't providing in the healthcare and homeless sectors.

NIMAN

Joe Schmo wrote: »

From 2019 annual accounts filed by Peter Mcverry Trust: https://pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2019-PMVT-CLG-Signed-Audited-Accounts.pdf

Appears to have assets (buildings, cars) of €68.3m (2016 figure: €19.6m)
Yearly income of €46.7m, ~60% state funded (2016: €17.6m, ~50% statue funded, ~50% donations)
CEO earned €110-120k, 27 employees earned €60-80k (2016: CEO earned 98k, 7 employees earned €60k-€80k)
Approx 627 other employees earning less than €60k. (2016: #290)
Total wage bill: €26m (2016: €11.6m)

In 2016 8,000 people accessed its services. The charity had over 760 beds that year. That works out at over €23,000 per bed.
In 2019 6,184 people accessed it services. The charity had over 1,600 beds that year. That works out at over €29,000 per bed. 76% of services users were male. The charity assisted over 400 people to exit homelessness.

Disclaimer: I don't donate to homeless services but I am active in charity sector and see it as very worthwhile for society.

This line is interesting.

The Trust is often in the media, berating the government for the homelessness problems.

Yet the government give them money to help with it, so surely they need to take a look at themselves too? And thats not forgetting all the other homeless charities the Gov gives money to.

Its not the lack of taxpayers money thats the main issue, thats for sure. We spend plenty on the homeless.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Strength is a component of fitness too, you do know this, right? Do you know what professional rugby players are expected to be able to bench press and squat relative to their weight? Do you think GAA players are are strong as international rugby players? They’re not, but it doesn’t matter because they’re not required to be to play their game. Indeed if there was a GAA player who trained like a rugby player or vice versa they would soon become unsuitable for their game as the training for each is so different.

This seems incorrect to me.

Important point being relative here, I would hazard a guess that a large proportion of intercounty GAA players bench/squat more relative weight in the current era than rugby players at international level.

Sure rugby players bench/squat more absolute weight but that wasn't the point.

That seems intuitive as GAA players BF% is probably lower as already highlighted in Furlong's case.

Take Cian Healy who held the squat record circa 2016 for the Irish team at 300kg while weighing approx 125kg so 240% of his BW.

I know multiple intercounty athletes weighing in around 80kg that squat 200kg which is 250%.

Again anecdotal but I don't think it's true that international rugby players are definitely stronger in relative terms than intercounty GAA stars.

ButtersSuki

Jefferson Most Easel wrote: »

This seems incorrect to me.

Important point being relative here, I would hazard a guess that a large proportion of intercounty GAA players bench/squat more relative weight in the current era than rugby players at international level.

Sure rugby players bench/squat more absolute weight but that wasn't the point.

That seems intuitive as GAA players BF% is probably lower as already highlighted in Furlong's case.

Take Cian Healy who held the squat record circa 2016 for the Irish team at 300kg while weighing approx 125kg so 240% of his BW.

I know multiple intercounty athletes weighing in around 80kg that squat 200kg which is 250%.

Again anecdotal but I don't think it's true that international rugby players are definitely stronger in relative terms than intercounty GAA stars.

Omg. I don’t think you could miss the point more if you tried.

I’m out.

touts

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Charity board members aren't paid. They are volunteers.

Have you ever looked at the accounts of a charity. Over 70% of the money raised by the Father Peter McVerry Trust gets spent on wages for staff.

And they are one of the good ones.

Also the board members who don't get paid are "Non Executive members". The ones who get paid are "Executive members". Just check out Morning Ireland. Every day there will be 3-4 "Executive Chairs" of some charity on talking about something. It's how they justify pulling in €200k a year. There were two or three of them on one segment alone this morning all heading up charities basically doing the same thing (rehabilitating prisoners).

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Omg. I don’t think you could miss the point more if you tried.

I’m out.

I understand your overarching point and I don't necessarily disagree with it.

You just made your point poorly, using the relative strength of international rugby players over intercounty GAA players is just not a good argument.

mithAine

No doubt that it’s New Zealand is really the only nation running the app successfully without any error and results are clear and fully transparent. Need to learn from such country and adapt the way they do and stick to that by improving with time. No data as to how many time it’s downloaded and actively using it.

AndrewJRenko

touts wrote: »

Have you ever looked at the accounts of a charity. Over 70% of the money raised by the Father Peter McVerry Trust gets spent on wages for staff.

And they are one of the good ones.

Also the board members who don't get paid are "Non Executive members". The ones who get paid are "Executive members". Just check out Morning Ireland. Every day there will be 3-4 "Executive Chairs" of some charity on talking about something. It's how they justify pulling in €200k a year. There were two or three of them on one segment alone this morning all heading up charities basically doing the same thing (rehabilitating prisoners).

What do you think PMV should be spending their money on other than salaries? The nature of the service requires lots of staff.



You've got it wrong again ed Morning Ireland. Presuming you're referring to this article; https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21909093, it interviewed Fíona Ní Chinnéide: Executive Director of Irish Penal Reform Trust (salary €75k in 2019 Annual Report) and Meave Lewis, CEO of One in Four (salary €100k in 2019 Annual Report). Neither of these are 'Executive Chair' and neither sit on the board of their organisations. It also interviewed Mark Wilson of the Probation Service, who is a public servant.

So you got the roles wrong and got the salaries badly wrong.

AndrewJRenko

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The false claims about the machines in America were tested in court and thrown out. This has allowed the companies who suffered from the lies to sue those who published them. Have the claims you are making ever been tested in court?

We're not talking about USA. We're talking about Ireland, and the NEDAP systems, with the future governance of the country in the hands of a Microsoft Access database.

So again, can you point out any particular security flaws in the Irish manual voting system please?

ohnonotgmail

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But still no proof that your vote got counted, or was not changed before it was counted. Conspiracy theorists, like those in America, make up lies about voting machines, and then challenge everyone else to prove them wrong. Well a conspiracy theorist could equally make up stories that paper votes are being interfered with, and challenge everyone else to prove them wrong.

and hopefully they would be laughed at. the votes are counted under the scrutiny of members of all parties. as secure as you can reasonably make it.

ButtersSuki

ButtersSuki wrote: »

That’s what you took from my post? Wow.

I can watch and admire almost all sports, but your GAA-bias is bordering on ignorance. I wasn’t defending rugby (my post was a counter post to the limited view expressed that athletes were defined by the narrowest of criteria) and I certainly don’t endorse doping of any kind but you and the other GAA-head with his unreferenced anecdotes from 40 years ago are so backward in your thinking and logic about elite sport it’s laughable.

I havnt mentioned gaa in my post?

Rugby is not a proper sport...people cheer,when their team kicks the ball outta play :pac:



Its not an enjoyable spectacle to watch from a casual viewer POV

KevRossi

steinbock123 wrote: »

Where exactly is this grave situated ? .

Romania I'd say. Writing looks like Romanian, or some Romance language very close to it and the building in the background would be typical of central/north/west Romania.

touts

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What do you think PMV should be spending their money on other than salaries? The nature of the service requires lots of staff.



You've got it wrong again ed Morning Ireland. Presuming you're referring to this article; https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21909093, it interviewed Fíona Ní Chinnéide: Executive Director of Irish Penal Reform Trust (salary €75k in 2019 Annual Report) and Meave Lewis, CEO of One in Four (salary €100k in 2019 Annual Report). Neither of these are 'Executive Chair' and neither sit on the board of their organisations. It also interviewed Mark Wilson of the Probation Service, who is a public servant.

So you got the roles wrong and got the salaries badly wrong.

Can you please clarify which of charity/charities you work for.

Roadhawk

In my opinion, the greatest waste of money in today's society in my opinion has to be the "investment" into cycling infrastructure.

I know this topic has great positive media momentum but the truths have yet to unfold. Its all well and good installing shiny new equipment all over the country but Im not confident knowing how councils have maintained cycling infrastructure in the past. It is poorly designed in most areas and It appears to be a "build it and they will come" mentality, and if the masses don't come will the infrastructure really be an investment?

jmayo

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It is illegal to pay charity board members. They are volunteers.

Some people who think differently to you are happy to serve charities on a voluntary basis.

Do they get expenses ?

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What do you think PMV should be spending their money on other than salaries? The nature of the service requires lots of staff.

You've got it wrong again ed Morning Ireland. Presuming you're referring to this article; https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21909093, it interviewed Fíona Ní Chinnéide: Executive Director of Irish Penal Reform Trust (salary €75k in 2019 Annual Report) and Meave Lewis, CEO of One in Four (salary €100k in 2019 Annual Report). Neither of these are 'Executive Chair' and neither sit on the board of their organisations. It also interviewed Mark Wilson of the Probation Service, who is a public servant.

So you got the roles wrong and got the salaries badly wrong.

Ehh WTF does the Penal Reform Trust do for us ?

The problem is there are too many teat suckling NGOs out there.
It has become an industry in itself with NGOs touting for business.
If you are an NGO involved in an area, it is not often in your interest to solve an issue.
For one if you are an NGO involved in the asylum industry, it is very much in your interest to keep the numbers flowing and not to send bogus ones home.

Yes some NGOs do some great work, but a lot of it is a con on the general public.

Someone shakes a bucket in your face with the old sob story and one thinks that their 5 or 10 euro is going to really help some poor homeless person, some poor devil with mental health issues, someone starving in Africa, some real refugee fleeing ISIS.

When really in the grand scheme of things the vast majority of that 5 or 10 euro gets gobbled up by admin staff, by reasonably well paid executives, by advertising, by staff being sent to college (look up Mcvery trust to see how many they send for further education if you really want).
No one thinks yeah here is 10 euro so the charities boss can make a 6 figure sum this year, but that is happening in a lot of the charities.

Anyone remember how all that money raised by Irish Red Cross a number of years ago for tsunami victims ended up sitting in an account in Tipperary for over three years.
BTW it was 163,000 if anyone is interested.

Also the whole NGO movement in Ireland has really replaced the church as the states way of absolving themselves of really doing stuff they should.
And the taxpayer still ends up paying for it.