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Where to move during Covid/tips for covid emigration

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  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    My suggestion: do a lot more homework. :) Having watched many, many people emigrate from various places over three decades, you're firmly in the "red flag" camp. The golden rule of successful emigration is, first and foremost, to be going after something, not running away. All the motivations that you've described are in the running away category - "in a rut", "anxious to change jobs", "got complacent", lockdown restrictions :( ... as well as these comments :

    Emigrating, even for a couple of years, requires a particular mindset if you're not going to end up in exactly the same rut. You need to be motivated to do what it takes, and you need to ready to do the not-easier things. ;)

    Changing jobs and changing country risks being very challenging for someone who hasn't bent over backwards to make it happen. Hanging out with ex-pats is all very well, but if those are your only friends, then you could end up being more alone than you are now in rural Ireland.


    Similarly, choosing somewhere on the basis of the language that's spoken there is no guarantee of a similar culture. I work (on and off) in Alsace, which is a former province of Switzerland, so no shortage of shared vocab - but I really notice the difference in culture when I socialise with the Swiss across the border.


    My home life is not great, and the only way of getting away from it literally is leaving and setting that boundary so I would have to disagree on that (but yes I could obviously do that in Ireland too).
    I will definitely be changing jobs anyway and moving out, but I have lived in 3 Irish cities already, so the main reason for choosing to go abroad really is just a complete change.

    I actually lived in Alsace for a year for college :D And got on fine, but yeah, there was so many expats we all just spoke English as the common language - honestly if I didn't make an effort to speak French then, I'm just being a realist, and know I have not changed my ways on that front - Hence leaning towards going to England too, and as you mentioned, a new country and new job are both big changes, so the language on top of it would be a lot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,828 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    My home life is not great, and the only way of getting away from it literally is leaving and setting that boundary ... so the main reason for choosing to go abroad really is just a complete change.

    If that's your motivation, then go for a complete change - don't try to make the "complete" change fit with your current comfort zones, or you'll end up with 95% of what you're trying to leave! :)

    Why don't you think of going well off the rails, and take up one of the "deserted village" offers in France or Italy: commit to living and working in the place for three to five years and they'll throw a few grand at you and give you a run-down house to renovate.

    Or, if going it alone is too much, think about joining a "solidarity" project, where you get bed and board in exchange for helping with whatever the project is, most commonly some kind of eco-friendly artists' retreat renovation project (there's a good one in Alsace, as it happens - they do a great folk-trad festival in October, amongst other things).


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    My home life is not great, and the only way of getting away from it literally is leaving and setting that boundary so I would have to disagree on that (but yes I could obviously do that in Ireland too).
    I will definitely be changing jobs anyway and moving out, but I have lived in 3 Irish cities already, so the main reason for choosing to go abroad really is just a complete change.

    Being feed up with your current set up is not really great motivation for a move like this. It not much to sustain you when things go wrong as they always do


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    Being feed up with your current set up is not really great motivation for a move like this. It not much to sustain you when things go wrong as they always do

    so I may as well live at home with my parents, forever? :D I have done it with a year, saved double the amount for a house deposit and would like to just experience life abroad for a year or maybe 2, and probably will move back and buy in Ireland then, I like Ireland (just not living at home!) but just want a new experience, it's not too deep.
    Moving out and renting in Ireland alone does not seem financially worth it at all for me, the next step if I am staying here would be to buy, just think I am a bit young personally to get that settled right now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    so I may as well live at home with my parents, forever? :D I have done it with a year, saved double the amount for a house deposit and would like to just experience life abroad for a year or maybe 2, and probably will move back and buy in Ireland then, I like Ireland (just not living at home!) but just want a new experience, it's not too deep.
    Moving out and renting in Ireland alone does not seem financially worth it at all for me, the next step if I am staying here would be to buy, just think I am a bit young personally to get that settled right now.

    Do you have enough money to just go backpacking for a year?

    Then stop somewhere if you like it and look for a job?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    Do you have enough money to just go backpacking for a year?

    Then stop somewhere if you like it and look for a job?

    I would have enough but it is just not something I am interested to do, I want to continue working and developing my career - I don't want to touch the savings I have made this year - one of the only positives of the last year Lol


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    so I may as well live at home with my parents, forever? :D I have done it with a year, saved double the amount for a house deposit and would like to just experience life abroad for a year or maybe 2, and probably will move back and buy in Ireland then, I like Ireland (just not living at home!) but just want a new experience, it's not too deep.
    Moving out and renting in Ireland alone does not seem financially worth it at all for me, the next step if I am staying here would be to buy, just think I am a bit young personally to get that settled right now.

    Sounds more like cabin fever rather than any think else. Once it's possible again take a few moths to travel around a bit. In the meantime put some time into planning it.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I don't want to touch the savings I have made this year - one of the only positives of the last year Lol


    So how exactly do you see it working then? You are going to have to cover the cost of travel, deposit and rent, possibly clothing depending on the country, insurances, living expenses to until yo find a job and then to cover you until pay day....


    It can often take two months to find a career type job as opposed the typical season work.


    And in some countries it is common to rent apartments unfurnished.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,828 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    would like to just experience life abroad for a year or maybe 2, and probably will move back and buy in Ireland then

    It's hard to understand how your stated desire to experience a completely different way of life can fit with no interest in travel and an intention to buy a house in Ireland in the very near future. :confused:

    So what exactly is it about "life abroad" that you're hoping to experience? Because for most people, the real experience doesn't start until in or after Year 2 - it can take that long to sort out the stuff that Jim2007 mentions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    So how exactly do you see it working then? You are going to have to cover the cost of travel, deposit and rent, possibly clothing depending on the country, insurances, living expenses to until yo find a job and then to cover you until pay day....


    It can often take two months to find a career type job as opposed the typical season work.


    And in some countries it is common to rent apartments unfurnished.

    Because I will be working for at least the next 5 months here and will not put that into house savings, should be plenty. Stopped saving for the house last year also.
    I will be job hunting from Ireland and will not quit my job here until I have employment secured in the country, I would actually love a few months unpaid before I leave here if I can manage to work that out. Anyway the thread has gone very off topic

    Suggestions have been really good so far, I think I will keep an open mind and ensure firstly that the job is something I like and would be the right choice to move my career, but will stick to searching in the UK, Netherlands and maybe Berlin I think, but won't rule other places out yet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    It's hard to understand how your stated desire to experience a completely different way of life can fit with no interest in travel and an intention to buy a house in Ireland in the very near future. :confused:

    So what exactly is it about "life abroad" that you're hoping to experience? Because for most people, the real experience doesn't start until in or after Year 2 - it can take that long to sort out the stuff that Jim2007 mentions.


    A large city is a complete different way of life for me, the only thing comparable here is Dublin, I have considered it, but if I'm going to be paying extortionate rent I'd prefer to broaden my horizens a bit more and try London etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭Oymyakon


    I’ve been following this thread since the start seeing as I am in a similar situation to yourself OP, I have to say the last 3 days I’ve further solidified my desire to move abroad. I’m still thinking the Netherlands given there’s a high demand for my degree there. I’m getting way ahead of myself but I’ve been looking at apartment rentals online and even started doing a bit of Dutch on Duolingo!

    The whole idea is terribly exciting, but I am aware that there can be a case of “the grass is always greener” when it comes to these types of adventures, as I discovered with a move to the USA. The difference then was that I didn’t have employment secured when I went over and that was almost dooming me from the start. I lasted six weeks before calling it quits and coming home.

    I feel like finding a job that you’re interested in that will advance your career is half the battle. Netherlands is so accessible to Ireland by plain, you could almost be home every weekend in non-COVID times if I so desired. But I’m an environmentalist so I try to avoid air travel as much as possible! Anyways, I’m rambling.... just trying to share my perspective, a more hopeful one at that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    Oymyakon wrote: »
    I’ve been following this thread since the start seeing as I am in a similar situation to yourself OP, I have to say the last 3 days I’ve further solidified my desire to move abroad. I’m still thinking the Netherlands given there’s a high demand for my degree there. I’m getting way ahead of myself but I’ve been looking at apartment rentals online and even started doing a bit of Dutch on Duolingo!

    The whole idea is terribly exciting, but I am aware that there can be a case of “the grass is always greener” when it comes to these types of adventures, as I discovered with a move to the USA. The difference then was that I didn’t have employment secured when I went over and that was almost dooming me from the start. I lasted six weeks before calling it quits and coming home.

    I feel like finding a job that you’re interested in that will advance your career is half the battle. Netherlands is so accessible to Ireland by plain, you could almost be home every weekend in non-COVID times if I so desired. But I’m an environmentalist so I try to avoid air travel as much as possible! Anyways, I’m rambling.... just trying to share my perspective, a more hopeful one at that.

    Oh great to hear! Glad it has helped someone :) At the moment with my job I have a commitment (actually a course we are doing within work, that I would need to pay a substantial amount for if I leave early!) so I can't look into specific jobs yet but I am browsing to get an idea.
    I really think waiting until April at least if not later would probably be the best option in any case, assuming the summer should be relatively strict restrictions/lockdown free in most countries (just going by last summer, if it's worse than last summer while we have vaccines, then things have gone very wrong!).
    Would just make it a lot easier to find accommodation and start a job if things aren't in the highest lockdown level.

    Yes I am definitely trying to stay level headed too about it, but excited :) I know a lot from college that have spent a few years abroad and loved it, then came home, that's what I'm really envisioning for me but who knows if I will like it I could stay.

    Ah yeah I think having the job before going will make all the difference this time, it's great that remote interviews are probably the norm now anyway, so not being in the country for a physical interview should not go against us!
    It's good to have had that experience though in the US, to learn from this time around, knowing what went wrong and what not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    would like to just experience life abroad for a year or maybe 2, and probably will move back and buy in Ireland then, I like Ireland (just not living at home!) but just want a new experience, it's not too deep.
    In this case, the ideal scenario would be moving abroad with your Company.
    Do you work for a Multinational ? Couldn't you investigate if they do 1 or 2-Years secondments abroad ?
    A good website for English speaking vacancies is: https://www.jobsinnetwork.com/jobs/IT%20Technology


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    otnomart wrote: »
    In this case, the ideal scenario would be moving abroad with your Company.
    Do you work for a Multinational ? Couldn't you investigate if they do 1 or 2-Years secondments abroad ?
    A good website for English speaking vacancies is: https://www.jobsinnetwork.com/jobs/IT%20Technology

    That would be an option but I want to change jobs, have been in this one for years and its just very unenjoyable now - also theres a hiring embargo at the moment with the company, I will keep an eye out in a few months but the job options usually are not suitable for my qualifications either, they are very strict about moving jobs internally or moving 'up a level'


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭zweton


    What area of i.t are you in?


  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Bodjhrjekekr


    zweton wrote: »
    What area of i.t are you in?

    Tech support


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭zweton


    Tech support

    Meant to say there's a very good slack group called grow remote, its a mix of irish and people from all over i often see remote support roles go up if you want to take a look. Lots of other useful info too though. growremotecommunity.slack.com


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 daseder


    I have a city that suits you in all respects except for the strictness of restrictions. I think you would like to live in Vienna. This is a big city, relatively safe with a high standard of living. There are developed IT and logistics companies there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,402 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Berlin would be ideal - I've been here eight years and my German is still pretty basic. Plenty of tech/IT jobs. Other cities in Germany, you'd need German (except for Hamburg possibly).

    Downside - winter here is bloody cold ( -10 just before Christmas) and there's a big flat/room shortage.

    Other suggestion would be Amsterdam, but I don't know about the housing/Job situation.

    EDIT - just seen thread is a year old. Oh well, might still be useful...!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    And how does locating to a red state, with predominantly older voters with a requirement for the the public spent to be targeted to stratify their needs suit your lifestyle? I know of one family were not happy with the situation and moved on due to limited childcare and schooling options.



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