Midleton Very Rare

mikeecho

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looking to pick up a bottle of this for a present, wasn't expecting the demand to be so high. Does anyone know anywhere with it in stock currently? Preferably not for sky high prices.

A bottle of 2020 or 2021.?

2021 will be back in shops in the coming months.

Some time in July for the next batch and the remainder in October is what I've heard. There will be higher quantities available too.

Effects

mikeecho wrote: »

After auction fees etc.. you'll be at a loss.

So the recent auction results:
€470, €500, €520, €450, €430, €380, €460.

mikeecho

Effects wrote: »

So the recent auction results:
€470, €500, €520, €450, €430, €380, €460.

They'll drop soon enough.. 2021 will be back on the shelves again in a few months.. and again for Christmas.

Effects

mikeecho wrote: »

They'll drop soon enough.. 2021 will be back on the shelves again in a few months.. and again for Christmas.

Doesn't matter if they drop later on in the year. If I had put my bottle in the auction when i thought about it, I'd have a tidy profit to spend on other whiskey to drink.

ContinentCat

Anyone have updates on when to expect the next batch of very rare 2021 to be released?

Prefect_1998

ContinentCat wrote: »

Anyone have updates on when to expect the next batch of very rare 2021 to be released?

Anywhere you can pre order for when it is released.

Also a pre order for 2022?

When the last batch was released we were told July for the next one, now we are being told September before it's out again.

mikeecho

AFAIK , they are making sure that they have stock for the Xmas/ corporate market.

It'll be interesting to see that the 2022 roll out will look like.

Whiplashy

Got a bottle of the 2016 when it was released and kept it for a special occasion. Only found it again recently. Wondering if it's worth holding onto for another few years? From a quick Google it seems to have been the last release before they modernised the bottle and box. Wondering if that would make it more collectible?

Ian OB

Change in packaging happened in 2017. Its possible to get that year in both packaging styles.

If after 5 years you haven't touched it you may as well sell it.

Thundercats Ho

Picked up a bottle of the MVR 2021 in Glasgow airport last night for £135GBP

sceach16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811340#Comment_117811340

None in Gatwick!

omicron

Has there been another release of MVR 2021? There were 3 bottles in stock in Manchester airport duty free today, £132 and 5 pounds off at the till for some special offer they were doing.

It was due out in September, but looks like it's been delayed until closer to Christmas.

MVR2021

I’m looking for a bottle of mvr2020. Have anyone seen it anywhere? Tia

sceach16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083067#Comment_118083067

Try Irish Whiskey Auctions (www.irishwhiskeyauctions.ie) or Celtic Whiskey Auctions https://www.celticwhiskeyauction.com/en/list/15/3 or Whiskey Bidders https://www.whiskeybidders.com/ Expect to pay 500 ish plus fees.

Prefect_1998

any 2021 sightings in irish shops yet ?

partyguinness

I bought my 2012 on the ferry in 2013 for €110.00. It retails on line now for £750.00 and my 2016 at £450.00.

ec18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151796#Comment_118151796

James fox had them online last week

Prefect_1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151918#Comment_118151918

thanks for that, if they got stock the trickle must must have started.

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152062#Comment_118152062

There was a delay in getting the last of the 2021s out

The invite had Brian Nations name on it, they had to replace them all.

Prefect_1998

The invite ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152789#Comment_118152789

oleras

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152923#Comment_118152923

To a tour of the distillery.

Prefect_1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153040#Comment_118153040

I suppose they can't have an ex employee inviting them to a visit

mikeecho

Next up .... The race for MVR '22

February I've been told, and again a split release to allow for some to be available for the Xmas market.

I don't think anyone drinks it anymore.

Shame, cos it's nice to sample different years, side by side.

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151796#Comment_118151796

I picked up two last week.

I phoned ahead to ask if they had them in stock and I was told that they had 10, but that they weren't on display.

Now I can't name the establishment, but I do get preferred treatment, as I've been buying MVR from them since the early 2000's.

Prefect_1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154155#Comment_118154155

I think buying 2 would be best bet, 1 to drink over the year and one to put away ?

the beer revolu

Has anyone here who's gone in to collecting MVR over the last couple of years ever actually sold a bottle of whiskey?

I see lots and lots of people buying these but I wonder if the bottles will ever find their way back onto the market.

I really am rather baffled at this current trend.

head82

I enquired in Gibney's Off License, Malahide. None on display but assistant told me they had three bottles available.. at €450 a bottle!

I'd have thought it illegal for a retail outlet to blatantly price gouge at this level.

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118160877#Comment_118160877

Why would it be illegal to sell at a price that a skewed marked dictates?

People are buying these in the hope of selling them for more than they pay for them. Why a different set of rules for a retailer?

It might be bad pr for a retailer to sell above rrp but it certainly isn't illegal and I find it rather odd that people think it might be or should be!

head82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164119#Comment_118164119

I don't know if it is illegal for a retailer to sell at such an inflated price.. approx. 2.5 times the RRP in this particular instance.

But I would have expected some code of practice in place for retail outlets to comply with. Regardless of the product. If the RRP means nothing, then it's basically a 'free-for-all' and any retailer can charge whatever the hell they like.

Again, in this particular instance, does anyone know of any other off-licences (excluding auction houses).. O'Briens etc., charging way over the odds for this product?

And not everyone is purchasing these to sell on at a profit. There are numerous reasons for people wanting to obtain a bottle.. complete a collection, commemorate a birth or GOD forbid.. drink the damn thing!

the beer revolu

It's just market forces. If people are willing to pay €450 for a bottle, then, I say fair play to anyone who gets that price.

I'd certainly feel like a fool selling these for €180 and then seeing them for sale for multiples of that price moment's later.

As for your "free for all comment", that's exactly what a free market is. A retailer is free to charge whatever the hell they like and you are free to purchase or not. Thankfully, we don't have price fixing on alcohol. If fools want to pay €450 for a fairly ordinary bottle of whiskey then there will be people willing to sell it to them - whatever their reason for buying. Blame the fools.

head82

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164615#Comment_118164615

I get your point regarding a retailer allowed ask whatever price they want for a particular product. Even though it doesn't sit easily with me considering that retailer has paid a (I assume a fixed) wholesale price for same product. I wasn't aware there was no fixed price on sales of retail alcohol.

But in this case, are the 'fools' not Midleton/Jameson Distilleries.. or whoever the parent company are now.. losing out?

They must be obviously aware that their product commands a premium price and yet they still wholesale at relatively ~ €200.

Your personal opinion of the product maybe somewhat damning/lacking, but that does not diminish individuals choice for wishing to obtain a bottle at a reasonable retail price over the counter. I still maintain my point that a retail outlet asking 2.5 times the RRP is GOUGING.

Doodah7

You asked if it is illegal? it is not.

Is it gouging? Absolutely and it would preclude me from giving that business any of my money now or in the future.

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118160356#Comment_118160356

Yeah, I got a bottle earlier in the year in an off licence. Brought it straight to have it auctioned. Made a decent amount considering the whole thing took me 30 minutes. When the money from the auction landed in my account, I immediately spent it on whiskey to drink and enjoy.

Prefect_1998

got a bottle in dublin this morning

Midleton is back in Dunnes from today in extremely limited quantities. Price increase to €200 as well.

Black Sheep

If it's gouging when an off-licence sells MVR at a price which reflects what the public are willing to pay for it, rather than the RRP, then is it gouging when a member of the public does a same?

Curious what people who think either or both is price gouging would propose the answer is...

If the off-licence was required to sell closer to RRP, then it seems like most bottles would still be bought by collectors or people seeking to flip at a higher price. There is still going to be a shortage of availability for these people who want to buy MVR at a 'reasonable price' (Although it always seems that people's idea of what a 'reasonable price' is turns out to be a price from the past, when demand was lower, inflation was lower, and it's invariably a lower price of course, no one ever reluctantly accepts that a 'reasonable price' is a higher one..).

jamesd2013

What's happening with the certs for the 2nd release of 2021?my cert is a different name to the distiller name on the bottle

irelandrover

I managed to order one from theloop at Dublin airport for when im passing through at Christmas. They still seem to have some available on their website.

the beer revolu

This is a genuine question and not in any way taking the piss, at all - I am genuinely puzzled at the recent surge in collecting of this whiskey. It is particularly aimed at those who have started collecting since 2020.

Why?

Why this whiskey over thousands of others?

I understand that all sorts of people collect all sorts of things but I get puzzled when huge numbers of people start to collect the same thing.

I'd really appreciate it if someone who started collecting in 2020 could tell me the reason why. And why now?

Covid lockdowns must have played a part in it.

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220111#Comment_118220111

I'm sure it has, but why? What is it about the lockdowns that made this particular whiskey so attractive to so many people who never spent that kind of money on a bottle before.

AlfaZen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220181#Comment_118220181

Seeing the price some of the older years get in the secondary market might have convinced some to "invest".

The Whiskey bandwagon has certainly increased over the last 4 to 5 years.

They might change the name next year from Very Rare to Kinda Rare.

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219988#Comment_118219988

For me i got one for my first born in 2018 as it was the one irish collectors whiskey i knew. So i had to get the same for my second born this year. Although id be very interested to hear about other suggestions you'd have as well as id like to start a collection for myself as well

the beer revolu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118220424#Comment_118220424

Thanks for your answer. That's the kind of reason that people have always collected Middleton - probably because it's one of the few whiskies with a bottling year on it. I'm really not into the idea of collecting consumables - whiskey is for drinking, not collecting, imo.

If I were to collect, though, I'd probably concentrate on Distillery first releases (of their own liquid) or extremely limited releases.

PHG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118219152#Comment_118219152

They're gone now

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118221440#Comment_118221440

its still there when i check.

PHG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118221608#Comment_118221608

I just checked now. Wasn’t there around 11am for me but back again. Bought one for travelling over Xmas