Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

What's a class based failure to grasp simple concepts?

Is it something to do with the schools opening back up?

Read again: in class based on

FintanMcluskey

One of the TDs on Newstalk saying as far as he is aware a significant number of those in hospital with Covid at present are there as a containment measure and not requiring treatment.

Surely there is better ways to utilise resources in hospitals

Of course if the number in hospital nationwide was about 170 level 5 would be a hard sell

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

How many golf clubs will be liquidated in weeks?

Good to see you back, you were quiet lately

Thought maybe after a year of arguing Ireland wasn’t actually in Europe’s longest strictest lockdown, and recently been proven wrong by a plethora of different published metrics including economic, business closures etc you may have changed username!

lee_baby_simms

Neagra wrote: »

two men i greatly admire, Thomas Sowell and George Orwell, said this about politicians/politics many years ago and it still stands true today.

"No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems -- of which getting elected and re-elected are No. 1 and No. 2. Whatever is No. 3 is far behind".

Thomas Sowell, Economist

“In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia."

George Orwell, Genius

Stop waiting for someone else to give you permission to live your lives, you don't need it.
In the words of the great man himself
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose." - Dr Seuss.

I’ve believed since last summer that lockdowns are very attractive as a strategy for 2 reasons.

1. It’s much easier than having to coming up with any kind of creative solution which governments will ultimately be measured against.

2. If lockdowns don’t work then the blame can be shifted onto the public very easily. We’ve seen this happen repeatedly already.

Stormyteacup

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

One of the TDs on Newstalk saying as far as he is aware a significant number of those in hospital with Covid at present are there as a containment measure and not requiring treatment.

Surely there is better ways to utilise resources in hospitals

Of course if the number in hospital nationwide was about 170 level 5 would be a hard sell

This is the first time I’ve heard of this being addressed publicly.

It’s been asked here many times how many in hospital are very sick with Covid and needing treatment - obviously ICU patients are very sick people.

But with hospital transmissions presumably still a factor, and with current spare capacity in general wards, along with other treatments paused, there must be less pressure for turnover of beds.

I would think that if you test positive for Covid in hospital yet don’t need treatment for it, it’s perhaps better to keep you where you are rather than release you to general population or back to a residential facility?

I guess those figures could be 20 out of 360 but like you say it could be half of them either, we just don’t know. Important information to have.

Perhaps a journalist could ask how many patients Covid positive in hospital are getting treatment for Covid symptoms that they couldn’t have at home?

FintanMcluskey

Paul Murphy on Newstalk in favour of housing those who are homeless

Paul Murphy in support of the recent reclaim the streets protest

Paul Murphy not in favour of construction returning April 5th as it’s too dangerous

Lockdown logic indeed

iamwhoiam

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

One of the TDs on Newstalk saying as far as he is aware a significant number of those in hospital with Covid at present are there as a containment measure and not requiring treatment.

Surely there is better ways to utilise resources in hospitals

Of course if the number in hospital nationwide was about 170 level 5 would be a hard sell

Could it be that they are care home or long term residence patients who would spread it further if discharged ? Sometimes there is a logical reason now and then with the HSE ( not often I admit !)

lee_baby_simms

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Paul Murphy on Newstalk in favour of housing those who are homeless

Paul Murphy in support of the recent reclaim the streets protest

Paul Murphy not in favour of construction returning April 5th as it’s too dangerous

Lockdown logic indeed

A great champion of working people. Keeping them out of work indefinitely.

Leinster90

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

A great champion of working people. Keeping them out of work indefinitely.

Most of his supporters dont work anyway, so it makes little difference to them.

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Paul Murphy on Newstalk in favour of housing those who are homeless

Paul Murphy in support of the recent reclaim the streets protest

Paul Murphy not in favour of construction returning April 5th as it’s too dangerous

Lockdown logic indeed

Your first mistake Fintan is assuming any logic to what Paul Murphy says. I can't remember him ever having a coherent thought or idea in his political life.

Leinster90

I was just listening fo Stephen Donnelly on Newstalk.

A drinking game whereby you take a shot every time he says the word “conversation” would get you hammered fairly quickly!

facehugger99

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

A great champion of working people. Keeping them out of work indefinitely.

Murphy's voter base is the unemployed and uneducated.

Any policy which improves these conditions is detrimental to his chances of re-election.

the kelt

Paul Murphy!

A Uniter of those defending lockdown policies and those in favour of easing.

A modern day hero uniting the great divide, straddling the chasm of the public discourse that has enveloped this great nation for nigh on 12 months.

Not the person we want, but the person we need in our time of great peril, the man who is looked upon fairly by both sides, where both sides agree unanimously in the belief, the belief that he is a complete bellend!

“Paul Murphy, good for something at least”

Think I just drafted his next election slogan!

Boggles

facehugger99 wrote: »

Murphy's voter base is the unemployed and uneducated.

No wonder he is in favor of the "protests".

TonyMaloney

darconio wrote: »

We locked down the whole country indefinitely to protect a small percentage of the population.
Now that this small percentage is getting vaccinated we are still forced into a lockdown that, according to the expert, is not even enough.
Next step is curfew and martial law.
Could anybody explain me what's the logic behind this nonsense?

Hilarious that this fear mongering rubbish is so popular here. If George Lee came out with it you'd all explode in fits of rage.

There's been no mention of a curfew from NPHET or the gov.
As for martial law, they're going to have to go on one hell of a recruitment drive if they intend to use the military to police your fictitious curfew.

You frequently ask people to explain to you what's going on. Many, myself included, have tried to show you what the data suggests would happen if we opened up now. But you either don't have the capacity or more likely the will, to understand any of it.

rob316

If I wrote what I thought of paul murphy my whole post would be ********************************

JeffKenna

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

One of the TDs on Newstalk saying as far as he is aware a significant number of those in hospital with Covid at present are there as a containment measure and not requiring treatment.

Surely there is better ways to utilise resources in hospitals

Of course if the number in hospital nationwide was about 170 level 5 would be a hard sell

I'm not sure I agree. During the first wave these people were placed back into nursing homes and look at the damage that caused.

Captain_Crash

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree. During the first wave these people were placed back into nursing homes and look at the damage that caused.

Maybe.... just maybe they learnt their lesson! I know it’s a long shot with it being the HSE we’re talking about, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day!

RobitTV

Some people actually take (privately school educated - champion of the working class) Paul Murphy seriously. Quite sad how he has grown in prominence when his ideas have been on the bizarre side for years.

2014 - Does the Socialist Party really want to nationalise Dell? - Journal.ie

His ever changing left wing alliance in 2014 wanted to nationalise Dell

average_runner

the kelt wrote: »

Paul Murphy!

A Uniter of those defending lockdown policies and those in favour of easing.

A modern day hero uniting the great divide, straddling the chasm of the public discourse that has enveloped this great nation for nigh on 12 months.

Not the person we want, but the person we need in our time of great peril, the man who is looked upon fairly by both sides, where both sides agree unanimously in the belief, the belief that he is a complete bellend!

“Paul Murphy, good for something at least”

Think I just drafted his next election slogan!

Maybe add never worked a day of his life but still had all the money he wanted

average_runner

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree. During the first wave these people were placed back into nursing homes and look at the damage that caused.

Most TD's don't have a clue what is happening in fairness

dalyboy

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree. During the first wave these people were placed back into nursing homes and look at the damage that caused.

Only that was before. This is now. ie, we have residents jabbed with a vaccine in the nursing homes that has a 100% success in stopping serious illness from CV19

Feria40

Stormyteacup wrote: »

This is the first time I’ve heard of this being addressed publicly.

It’s been asked here many times how many in hospital are very sick with Covid and needing treatment - obviously ICU patients are very sick people.

But with hospital transmissions presumably still a factor, and with current spare capacity in general wards, along with other treatments paused, there must be less pressure for turnover of beds.

I would think that if you test positive for Covid in hospital yet don’t need treatment for it, it’s perhaps better to keep you where you are rather than release you to general population or back to a residential facility?

I guess those figures could be 20 out of 360 but like you say it could be half of them either, we just don’t know. Important information to have.

Perhaps a journalist could ask how many patients Covid positive in hospital are getting treatment for Covid symptoms that they couldn’t have at home?

It would be one for a brave journalist to run with all right.

My wife works for a public hospital. There a number of patients in her hospital with Covid as opposed to because of Covid.

Everyone arriving in hospital in tested on day one with follow up tests every 3rd day.

You have expectant mothers arriving in and testing positive for Covid, many are completely unaware and are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that they assumed to be related to being pregnant, tired etc!

The same goes for those arriving in A&E and requiring admission, tested straight away even if the ailement they presented with is completely unrelated.

Of course there are serious cases in the hospitals but I would love to see a real breakdown of the numbers. With cases in the community being stuck at circa 500 a day it's natural that more cases would inadvertently be picked up in clinical settings

Morries Wigs

the 5km thing what do we reckon 20 km or county ??

SnuggyBear

Morries Wigs wrote: »

the 5km thing what do we reckon 20 km or county ??

Makes no difference to most people anyway. If they change it to 10k or whatever it will just show how out of touch with reality they are.

Stormyteacup

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree. During the first wave these people were placed back into nursing homes and look at the damage that caused.

Yes it may actually be best policy to keep them in hospital for containment. The numbers are probably not high enough now to justify a containment facility in and of itself.

And risks of transmission would increase with moving patients from A to B.

Still as we hopefully shift focus from case numbers to hospital metrics, in the interest of transparency HSE report should break down hospital admissions to at least include the number of people presenting and admitted solely for Covid symptoms.

Doctor Jimbob

Morries Wigs wrote: »

the 5km thing what do we reckon 20 km or county ??

There was talk yesterday evening that the distance limit might be scrapped entirely. If I had to guess I would say that's just kite flying to set up a "compromise" at 20km/county in a misguided attempt to keep everyone happy by not conceding too much to either the people who want to open entirely or the people who want current restrictions to remain.

Hooked

Corholio wrote: »

It seems an idea floated for the restrictions is for being able to meet 1 other household outdoors while exercising and there being no actual distance limit i.e 5k limit scrapped.

This, in it's absolute simplicity - would give SO MANY people the mental and physical "freedom" without much (if any) risk to increasing cases...

But, by being so simple an idea - that benefits both sides of the issue - it'll be the LAST thing this idiotic government decide to do.

dalyboy

Morries Wigs wrote: »

the 5km thing what do we reckon 20 km or county ??

The 5km thing was a crumb from the stolen liberty cake which they can increase on 5th April to 10-20km or county wide to masquerade as “caring for mental health” or as a “reward for our hard work” .
Crowd of charlatans

facehugger99

Morries Wigs wrote: »

the 5km thing what do we reckon 20 km or county ??

No idea and don't care.

I've been thinking for myself since Day 1 and will continue to do so.