Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Hooked

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

There was talk yesterday evening that the distance limit might be scrapped entirely. If I had to guess I would say that's just kite flying to set up a "compromise" at 20km/county in a misguided attempt to keep everyone happy by not conceding too much to either the people who want to open entirely or the people who want current restrictions to remain.

As per my reply above - the scrapping of this idiotic "rule" is long overdue.

Not only for our mental and physical well being - but it would let Gardaí get back to doing ACTUAL policing.

People are being forced to congregate in busy parks and local areas. They are opting to visit (indoors) with friends and neighbours. What harm is allowing people the "mental break" to go for a scenic drive, have a remote picnic, visit the garden of a loved one...

Its minimum risk - MAX reward!!!

dalyboy

facehugger99 wrote: »

No idea and don't care.

I've been thinking for myself since Day 1 and will continue to do so.

Exactly
That reminds me. I must go to the florist later to replace the flowers currently resident on my car passenger seat for my fictional wife’s grave .

JeffKenna

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Yes it may actually be best policy to keep them in hospital for containment. The numbers are probably not high enough now to justify a containment facility in and of itself.

And risks of transmission would increase with moving patients from A to B.

Still as we hopefully shift focus from case numbers to hospital metrics, in the interest of transparency HSE report should break down hospital admissions to at least include the number of people presenting and admitted solely for Covid symptoms.

I agree on the metrics, we need transparacy on that.

On the containment facilities, it might sound silly but do some not exist in the TB hospitals built back along? The one I'm familiar with is the Orthopaedic in Cork. Laid out into 12 different blocks with seperate access for each. Staff or patients from each block can't mix.

paw patrol

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Yes it may actually be best policy to keep them in hospital for containment. The numbers are probably not high enough now to justify a containment facility in and of itself.

And risks of transmission would increase with moving patients from A to B.

A fair point - however these stats are being used to justify the current course of actions by the state which leads to all manner of negative results.

This allegation means the hospital stats aren't accurate and tbh since you'd assume NPHET know of this practice , they are dishonest numbers.
A manipulation of numbers to suit their stance. This is fraud.

Hooked

dalyboy wrote: »

Exactly
That reminds me. I must go to the florist later to replace the flowers currently resident on my car passenger seat for my fictional wife’s grave .

LOVE IT!!!

What does your "actual" wife think, assuming you have one?

Akesh

They need to scrap the travel limit altogether. It's complete nonsense. They also will need to open some sectors of the economy to ensure we aren't writing off whole sectors for the 'greater good'.

dalyboy

dalyboy wrote: »

Exactly
That reminds me. I must go to the florist later to replace the flowers currently resident on my car passenger seat for my fictional wife’s grave .

Edgy! Go you

Penfailed

the kelt wrote: »

Are there still simpletons going around claiming that all curfews must be bad and look at us with our 5k restrictions being so lucky! Jesus wept.

We are effectively under curfew just a distance one rather than time and people don’t even see it.

There's no such thing as a distance curfew. You've just made that up.

Klonker

Leinster90 wrote: »

I was just listening fo Stephen Donnelly on Newstalk.

A drinking game whereby you take a shot every time he says the word “conversation” would get you hammered fairly quickly!

I'm fairness to him, he was a lot more optimistic this morning than Ronan Glynn yesterday about opening up.

He was asked about comments from a TD that we should be in level 3 in June and didn't really try to downplay it. Said that if we recieve vaccines as planned we'll be a lot better place so could be a possibility.

Windmill100000

facehugger99 wrote: »

No idea and don't care.

I've been thinking for myself since Day 1 and will continue to do so.

Rebellious talk but have you gone shopping, to the gym, pub, international travel when and where you want? You are still very much restricted even if you break 5km and meet those people willing to meet with you.

Boggles

Pretending to have a dead wife is perfectly normal behavior all right.

Absolutely no need for restrictions.

dalyboy

Hooked wrote: »

LOVE IT!!!

What does your "actual" wife think, assuming you have one?

She has flowers in her car for her deceased husband so I tend to shy away from conversation about it as much as possible. Hehe

dalyboy

Boggles wrote: »

Pretending to have a dead wife is perfectly normal behavior all right.

Absolutely no need for restrictions.

Stopping people travelling more than 5km in a democracy tends to drive the creativity in me.

facehugger99

Boggles wrote: »

Pretending to have a dead wife is perfectly normal behavior all right.

More normal than cowering under your bed for a year over a virus as harmless to the vast majority as Covid.

RobitTV

We are back to Summer 2020 with the same talking points. We are heading for a 'good' summer like last year.

- Publicans want a guarantee that the €9 meal rule won't be a feature of Summer 2021

They’re calling for guarantees that the €9 meal rule will not be a feature once a wider reopening of society begins and are seeking guidance on what percentage of the community needs to be vaccinated before the various stages of reopening can be considered.

Specifically publicans are looking for details around what percentage of the adult population will need to be vaccinated to allow all pubs and hospitality businesses to reopen, as well as what level community transmission must be at.

The Restaurants Association of Ireland will tell the committee today that hospitality businesses are on the brink of collapse, with 50% of restaurants facing permanent closure.

Journal.ie

_Kaiser_

Klonker wrote: »

I'm fairness to him, he was a lot more optimistic this morning than Ronan Glynn yesterday about opening up.

He was asked about comments from a TD that we should be in level 3 in June and didn't really try to downplay it. Said that if we recieve vaccines as planned we'll be a lot better place so could be a possibility.

I predicted this would what would happen a few days back and the reality is level 3 is meaningless to many as there's still significant restrictions on movement and socialising.

It would help retailers though but likely only short term as the panicking about schools going back and "what happened last year" will probably start late July, so we'll be back in level 5 by mid August I reckon.

Boggles

dalyboy wrote: »

Stopping people travelling more than 5km in a democracy tends to drive the creativity in me.

Telling 'stories' is creative I suppose.

facehugger99 wrote: »

More normal than cowering under your bed for a year over a virus as harmless to the vast majority as Covid.

No one is cowering under their bed though are they? That's a figment of your imagination.

Read this article and see the difference between here and Melbourne. Actually would depress you because they are restoring so many of their freedoms and here are we a year on . Sounds really good over there

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/covid19-restrictions-victoria-masks-no-longer-required-in-retail-settings-gathering-limits-to-increase/news-story/be5af1948079af057ecb91ca5e683403

Windmill100000

Boggles wrote: »

Telling 'stories' is creative I suppose.



No one is cowering under their bed though are they? That's a figment of your imagination.

No they aren't, but wont stop people making up stories on here in an attempt to push a point:D

paw patrol

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Rebellious talk but have you gone shopping, to the gym, pub, international travel when and where you want? You are still very much restricted even if you break 5km and meet those people willing to meet with you.

This is true - But he does (like me) what he can without being self policed by sh1tty rules. I can't speak him but if I knew a pub open I'd go.
I know a few lads with home bars and I've been. Not the same but all good fun.

I'd pay top dollar for a gym that was open via the back door these days.

SAMTALK

facehugger99 wrote: »

More normal than cowering under your bed for a year over a virus as harmless to the vast majority as Covid.

You keep saying people cowering under their beds.
You do realise that people following restrictions are doing so because they believe it's the right thing to do to help us all get out of these restricions as soon as possible.

You seem to be of the view if people dont agree with you they are pro lockdown, but there is actually an inbetween as well.

robbiezero

paw patrol wrote: »

This is true - But he does (like me) want he can without being self policed by sh1tty rules. I can't speak him but if I knew a pub open I'd go.
I know a few lads with home bars and I've been. Not the same but all good fun.

I'd pay top dollar for a gym that was open via the back door these days.

Agreed. I had a lovely evening with a few lads last Friday watching Cheltenham Gold Cup day (and even enjoyed Dundalk racing afterwards). Few cans and take-way pints and pizzas.

Not quite the same as a pub as you said, but it was still great fun. Will do it a few more times before locking down to visit parents again in a month or so.

Windmill100000

paw patrol wrote: »

This is true - But he does (like me) want he can without being self policed by sh1tty rules. I can't speak him but if I knew a pub open I'd go.
I know a few lads with home bars and I've been. Not the same but all good fun.

I'd pay top dollar for a gym that was open via the back door these days.

I really don't see many places willing to defy restrictions and open up now. There was talk about it on here after the beautician in Dublin opened, but that resulted in nothing.

People have done a lot to keep numbers down and I think most people are prepared to keep doing so. I am not seeing anything to show that people will change now as hospital numbers reduce and people get vaccinated.

Of course I 100% could be wrong, this is just my opinion, but I personally don't see anything happening while the situation is improving.

Klonker

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I predicted this would what would happen a few days back and the reality is level 3 is meaningless to many as there's still significant restrictions on movement and socialising.

It would help retailers though but likely only short term as the panicking about schools going back and "what happened last year" will probably start late July, so we'll be back in level 5 by mid August I reckon.

I'd always be worried about how conservative NPHET and the government are but I honestly don't think there is any going back. Level 3, as in retail and restaurants opened with restrictions, similar to last summer really, would be great at this stage in my opinion. It'll only open more from there, maybe pubs in July and then lifting all restrictions by about August/September once all vaccinated.

So I'd take talk of level 3 in June as very encouraging at this stage, compared to NPHET talking about looking forward to an outdoor summer, whatever that means!

Loafing Oaf

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I really don't see many places willing to defy restrictions and open up now. There was talk about it on here after the beautician in Dublin opened, but that resulted in nothing.

As I've said a few times on here, SME owners are about the very last cohort in Irish society to engage in 'civil disobedience'. The hopes of anti-lockdowners that a group of 'heroic' pub/gym owners willing to openly defy the rules would step forward were always a pipe dream IMO...

Stormyteacup

paw patrol wrote: »

A fair point - however these stats are being used to justify the current course of actions by the state which leads to all manner of negative results.

This allegation means the hospital stats aren't accurate and tbh since you'd assume NPHET know of this practice , they are dishonest numbers.
A manipulation of numbers to suit their stance. This is fraud.

Absolutely manipulation.

Nothing new - for the first few weeks of this crisis people were allowed to believe that the number of deaths in the headlines had died in the previous 24 hours.

It was months before we were given information about the ages of those most affected by serious illness or which underlying illnesses put someone most at risk.

Recovery rates not made public until pressure was applied.

Risk methods of transmission were well known while a panel of scientific experts stood by saying nothing as the media explained to a frightened population how to wash down your weekly shop and to be careful while passing the gravy boat.

Stats are accurate and useful from a purely scientific measuring point of view but have been allowed to become headlines without context or qualification - much fear could have been mitigated by transparency.

paw patrol

Windmill100000 wrote: »

I really don't see many places willing to defy restrictions and open up now. There was talk about it on here after the beautician in Dublin opened, but that resulted in nothing.

You aren't wrong. But people are now making their own alternatives in a "non official" capacity like home bars and house parties (for example).
I guess my point is the black market is providing what is forbidden by the state. The black market acting as it always was and will be.

Windmill100000 wrote: »

People have done a lot to keep numbers down and I think most people are prepared to keep doing so. I am not seeing anything to show that people will change now as hospital numbers reduce and people get vaccinated.

I not so sure. i see plenty now visiting others in their homes.
Parks/Beaches are packed with little care for social distance. I do know people obeying the rules but they are doing it out of fear of contracting covid rather than anything to do with the "common good".

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Of course I 100% could be wrong, this is just my opinion, but I personally don't see anything happening while the situation is improving.

i agree, given the recent comments I don't see much happening.
I guess where we diff is that i don't see it improving no matter what we do...covid is here to stay and we must live with it. As I said yesterday we will all be exposed in time.

darconio

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Hilarious that this fear mongering rubbish is so popular here. If George Lee came out with it you'd all explode in fits of rage.

There's been no mention of a curfew from NPHET or the gov.
As for martial law, they're going to have to go on one hell of a recruitment drive if they intend to use the military to police your fictitious curfew.

You frequently ask people to explain to you what's going on. Many, myself included, have tried to show you what the data suggests would happen if we opened up now. But you either don't have the capacity or more likely the will, to understand any of it.

It was of course an exaggeration Tony, but after spending one year in lockdown, more than half of which in full level 5, and they are still telling us that the april surge will collapse the health system, I am not sure what they could implement if not more restrictions.
But you either don't have the capacity or more likely the will, to understand any of it.

https://www.thejournal.ie/coronavirus-22-march-5388039-Mar2021/

Of the cases notified today:

258 are men / 262 are women
79% are under 45 years of age
The median age is 28 years old
242 in Dublin, 36 in Meath, 30 in Offaly, 29 in Kildare, 25 in Wicklow and the remaining 158 cases are spread across 20 other counties.

I will ask you again: based on the above numbers when can we start putting in place a plan of "living with covid"?
How many vulnerable live in Ireland? because last time I checked it has the youngest population in Europe, what else are we supposed to do to make sure the non-vulnerable can have a resemblance of normal life? 0 covid isn't it? Sorry, not going to happen, in the meantime they have destroyed the livelihood of an entire nation, many families reached the point of no return and many business will never reopen.

SnuggyBear

RobitTV wrote: »

We are back to Summer 2020 with the same talking points. We are heading for a 'good' summer like last year.

- Publicans want a guarantee that the €9 meal rule won't be a feature of Summer 2021

They’re calling for guarantees that the €9 meal rule will not be a feature once a wider reopening of society begins and are seeking guidance on what percentage of the community needs to be vaccinated before the various stages of reopening can be considered.

Specifically publicans are looking for details around what percentage of the adult population will need to be vaccinated to allow all pubs and hospitality businesses to reopen, as well as what level community transmission must be at.

The Restaurants Association of Ireland will tell the committee today that hospitality businesses are on the brink of collapse, with 50% of restaurants facing permanent closure.

Journal.ie

Will the pubs be even open in the summer is a better question to be honest.

Bridge93

I think what pisses me off the most is the lack of practical thinking being shown by those in charge. Vaccines are annoying but somewhat stuck by the EU and its dealings and lockdowns are awful obviously.

But i just cant understand the thinking of NEPHET and the Givt to fight on with the same message. They keep saying they know people are fed up and tired of lockdown. Then show it. I find it infuriating how they clearly know people arent listening anymore yet instead of trying to find a practical solution to keep cases as low as possible while accepting the reality of the situation, they just parrot the same message 4/5/6 months later about not leaving the house/5km etc etc. Look outside your ****ing windows and join the real world. Your message has lost, re-evaluate and come back with something that might work because Level 5 will not anymore, people are done

Dubliners have been allowed to leave the county something like 5 of the last 180 days. And they just expect people will be able to deal with this stuff indefinitely without any hope offered?