Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

RobitTV

It looks like we have all failed to play our part and do that little bit more. Naughty boys and girls.

timmyntc

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves - I have been adhering to the restrictions more than anyone, its everyone elses fault for letting the side down.

We should get the army in to arrest people for gathering on the beaches and meeting up with their friends

Boggles

RobitTV wrote: »

NPHET defers meeting to look at the data before April 5th decision

NPHET defers meeting so it can include latest data in analysis ahead of reopening decisions

A key meeting of the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) planned for Thursday has been deferred in advance of decisions on reopening parts of society and the economy from April 5th.

Sources said the decision was taken so the latest trends in the data could be taken into account in the final analysis being sent to Government ahead of the decisions on reopening.

Irish Times

PTH2009 wrote: »

Should just come out and say they recommend no change

Well no, they are clearly doing the opposite.

They are playing out whether the recent uptick is a trend to be worried about or a blip before they give advice for the future.

Very wise and welcome move.

Sofa King Great

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Five pop up walk in centres now ffs

If you have symptoms you’re asked not to go to these centres.

Anyone would think their trying to find more cases. Not long ago in January we couldn’t even test close contacts but that didn’t matter we had enough cases at the time.

Now the numbers are dropping we want to find more. What the hell is gonig on in this country. What’s the big need to hold onto covid cases here ...

The shambles from testing,tracing and vaccination continues unabated.

This just highlights the failure that is the contact tracing. Instead of adequately resourcing the contact tracing to look further back in these areas they are hoping they track them just through people wandering in.

The people who are spreading covid in these areas are unlikely to be the ones who stroll in for a random test

Captain_Crash

Is it convenient that on the same day we get “pop up” centres NPHET push back a meeting involving decisions that are critical to so many peoples livelihoods? And say it’s because they need more data?

It’s almost as if they want a fcukload of cases from these pop up testing tents to justify doing f@&k all about living with covid

fin12

I think it could be a good enough sign , nphet know things have to be lifted so it’s killing them to announce it.

If nothing was changing would announce another 4 weeks of lockdown to May 5th like their usual style.

facehugger99

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Five pop up walk in centres now ffs

If you have symptoms you’re asked not to go to these centres.

Anyone would think their trying to find more cases. Not long ago in January we couldn’t even test close contacts but that didn’t matter we had enough cases at the time.

Now the numbers are dropping we want to find more. What the hell is gonig on in this country. What’s the big need to hold onto covid cases here ...

The shambles from testing,tracing and vaccination continues unabated.

Who are these fcuking clowns that are running off to be tested?

With the vulnerable categories vaccinated, "case numbers" will now become the NPHET metric of choice in recommending further lockdowns.

We are destroying the country because some perfectly healthy hypochondriacs are running off to get a test, presumably so they can post about how they survived this deadly disease on social media.

Riodej1578

NIMAN wrote: »

That's a very good question, and one I asked yesterday, except I said 70.


But 60 would be even safer of course.

Pity no-one can ask nphet this question at one of the press conferences? They seem to be a one way flow of information. Are questions ever asked?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those journalists present at the briefings, they have the opportunity but they don't.

I don't need to name names but ye probably know who they are. More interested in boosting their twitter profiles than the more important stuff and challenging NPHET and the government.

fin12

facehugger99 wrote: »

Who are these fcuking clowns that are running off to be tested?

With the vulnerable categories vaccinated, "case numbers" will now become the NPHET metric of choice in recommending further lockdowns.

We are destroying the country because some perfectly healthy hypochondriacs are running off to get a test, presumably so they can post about how they survived this deadly disease on social media.

I know I couldn’t believe so u don’t have to have any symptom and just walk in sure every hypochondriac in the country will be in and out of the place like a revolving door

Hellrazer

Boggles wrote: »

Very wise and welcome move.

Nothing NPHET does could ever be described as "wise" or "welcome"

Boggles

Hellrazer wrote: »

Nothing NPHET does could ever be described as "wise" or "welcome"

Really?

Seriously lad you are better than that, I know you only came out with that soundbite to garner likes.

But come on.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

As I've said before the reason the restrictions were taken to heart is because simple theories of cause and effect are easy for the average person to comprehend, so you get people saying "Its not rocket science!" and then the theories of causality become baseline assumptions through which other phenomena are judged. Confirmation bias ratifies the restrictions each time the numbers drop. When the numbers don't drop, the restrictions haven't been followed properly. "Socialism hasn't been tried yet"

Extremely dodgeball territory for you raind to be using highly emotive labels like 'denier' when discussing these restrictions, since you seem to understand things like falsifiability and empirical proof. Whereas people who usually use this phrase are generally pure-ignorant leftist demagogues.

How can any reasonably intelligent individual not see that more people meeting results in more transmission? Its also clear that any measures, short of locking everyone away, will have a limit of effectiveness as certain levels of meeting cannot be avoided. A plateau will be reached - which we are now seeing ( in combination with some easing)

I also used the labels "denier" and "alarmist". I dont discriminate between the two extremes of bullsh*itter"

fin12

Boggles wrote: »

Really?

Seriously lad you are better than that, I know you only came out with that soundbite to garner likes.

But come on.

If u enjoy the misery then I guess everything they do come our would be very welcome.

OwenM

OwenM wrote: »

Disingenuous drivel as usual.

Balance is required and if anyone wanted evidence that the balance is wrong it's the news from last night that the HSE don't plan to resume cancer screening (as an example) until the end of the year.

Balance is not required - two opposing views on every topic dont have equal validity - "Now lets bring in Jefferson Davis to present the equally valid point that slavery is good for society".

You both judge the content of the opinion and the provenance of the speaker.

Pitch n Putt

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Five pop up walk in centres now ffs

If you have symptoms you’re asked not to go to these centres.

Anyone would think their trying to find more cases. Not long ago in January we couldn’t even test close contacts but that didn’t matter we had enough cases at the time.

Now the numbers are dropping we want to find more. What the hell is gonig on in this country. What’s the big need to hold onto covid cases here ...

The shambles from testing,tracing and vaccination continues unabated.

Would just be so much better if we ignored it.

Christ

hynesie08

fin12 wrote: »

If u enjoy the misery then I guess everything they do come our would be very welcome.

The ones who enjoy the misery have shown themselves in the last page of replies, giving themselves migraines with the mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories about how nphet are conspiring to lock us down.

Doctor Jimbob

fin12 wrote: »

I know I couldn’t believe so u don’t have to have any symptom and just walk in sure every hypochondriac in the country will be in and out of the place like a revolving door

Testing of people without needing referrals will lead to better monitoring of the spread of the virus.

It's also likely that having centres like this will reduce the percentage of positive tests, which will give ammunition to anyone in government pushing for more reopening.

This is a good thing no matter what side of the debate you fall on.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Well no, they are clearly doing the opposite.

They are playing out whether the recent uptick is a trend to be worried about or a blip before they give advice for the future.

Very wise and welcome move.

Exactly - dont want to over react to a trend that may only be a blip, and in a few days we will know one way or the other.

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

I'm not saying you're wrong but do we actually know that?

South Africa had one of the harshest lockdowns in the world.

So did UK. There is political noise about their only starting a week later than other countries but nonetheless it was and is very harsh.

The UK also had the 'Eat Out To Help Out' thing. Places were rammed.

JRant

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Jesus, Fintan, it's been a year. Restrictions protect health care systems and help avoid postponement of treatment.

You can argue that they're not worth it economically if you like, but you can't say that they're not done to protect health systems. This is pretty basic stuff.

Well you can't say they have been a success so. Waiting lists doubled, oncology backlog of at least 9 months but looking like 2 years. But sure, let's pretend restrictions were a roaring success.

Penfailed

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

What are you worried about Stu ? since you are immune to captain tripps and all ...

Niche...but I like it!

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

NPHET defers meeting to look at the data before April 5th decision

NPHET defers meeting so it can include latest data in analysis ahead of reopening decisions

A key meeting of the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) planned for Thursday has been deferred in advance of decisions on reopening parts of society and the economy from April 5th.

Sources said the decision was taken so the latest trends in the data could be taken into account in the final analysis being sent to Government ahead of the decisions on reopening.

Irish Times

One line immediately jumped out at me:

"Covid-19 positivity in nursing homes is 0.18%, its second lowest level ever"

Heartening news, which reiterates that the vaccines are a resounding success among the most vulnerable. Also, it's no coincidence that hospital and ICU admissions are falling away.

Keeping these developments in mind, there is a concrete argument for the case metric being increasingly obsolete. Say you have 500 positive swabs on a particular day, and none of these individuals require hospitalisation then why are we tied to an extended lockdown. You are disproportionately punishing the vast majority for a tiny minority. At this point I feel NPHET should be disbanded in the coming weeks, government finally taking the reins proper and focusing on the economic imperative. We have had enough of single issue policy, let's reconsider the "greater good" and get the country back on its feet.

KrustyUCC

NPHET won't be disbanded as then the government wouldn't be able to hide behind their 'advice'

Windmill100000

facehugger99 wrote: »

Who are these fcuking clowns that are running off to be tested?

With the vulnerable categories vaccinated, "case numbers" will now become the NPHET metric of choice in recommending further lockdowns.

We are destroying the country because some perfectly healthy hypochondriacs are running off to get a test, presumably so they can post about how they survived this deadly disease on social media.

Maybe they care for people with underlying conditions or have them themselves? You may not care if you are tested, but many do care and would want to know. All the ranting in the world won't change that.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Who are these fcuking clowns that are running off to be tested?

With the vulnerable categories vaccinated, "case numbers" will now become the NPHET metric of choice in recommending further lockdowns.

We are destroying the country because some perfectly healthy hypochondriacs are running off to get a test, presumably so they can post about how they survived this deadly disease on social media.

People who dont just think of themselves and dont want to potentially pass it to vulnerable relatives, work colleagues or send into school with their kids

Boggles

facehugger99 wrote: »

Who are these fcuking clowns that are running off to be tested?

People who have to work and have to engage with society or live with others that do.

Windmill100000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People who dont just think of themselves and dont want to potentially pass it to vulnerable relatives, work colleagues or send into school with their kids

I also would think those working would need proof to be paid if off work with covid. Suggesting those getting tested (and being confirmed positive) are doing something wrong is beyond ridiculous.

namloc1980

facehugger99 wrote: »

Who are these fcuking clowns that are running off to be tested?

With the vulnerable categories vaccinated, "case numbers" will now become the NPHET metric of choice in recommending further lockdowns.

We are destroying the country because some perfectly healthy hypochondriacs are running off to get a test, presumably so they can post about how they survived this deadly disease on social media.

You need to get a test or have suspected Covid to get the enhanced Covid sick pay. Not just clowns in your fantasy world.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

One line immediately jumped out at me:

"Covid-19 positivity in nursing homes is 0.18%, its second lowest level ever"

Heartening news, which reiterates that the vaccines are a resounding success among the most vulnerable. Also, it's no coincidence that hospital and ICU admissions are falling away.

Keeping these developments in mind, there is a concrete argument for the case metric being increasingly obsolete. Say you have 500 positive swabs on a particular day, and none of these individuals require hospitalisation then why are we tied to an extended lockdown. You are disproportionately punishing the vast majority for a tiny minority. At this point I feel NPHET should be disbanded in the coming weeks, government finally taking the reins proper and focusing on the economic imperative. We have had enough of single issue policy, let's reconsider the "greater good" and get the country back on its feet.

Those most likely to end up in hospital and ICU have by and large not been vaccinated yet - 55-75 year olds and pre-existing conditions. Hospital numbers are still falling because its only about a week ago that cases plateaued and there is a two week lag. The fall has slowed in line with the reduced rate of decline in cases. Thankfully these measures will begin to diverge over the next few weeks as more vaccines are rolled out.

lee_baby_simms

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One line immediately jumped out at me:

"Covid-19 positivity in nursing homes is 0.18%, its second lowest level ever"

That’s fantastic news and certainly speaks to vaccine efficacy worries amongst the elderly that many of us had.