Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

46 Long

Overwhelmingly positive replies to this on Twitter. People have quite simply had enough.

https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1363832229621862400

gozunda

Martin567 wrote: »

Was it not clear that I was referring to about June or so when Northern Ireland may have relaxed restrictions far more than here as they will be well ahead on vaccines?

Quote=Martin567 wrote:

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It will be very interesting in a few months

No because by May - an estimated 70-80% of people there will only have recieved their first shot but will not be 'fully vaccinated"

hynesie08

46 Long wrote: »

Overwhelmingly positive replies to this on Twitter. People have quite simply had enough.

https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1363832229621862400

If he's open on the 1st of July, it's 100% because the government has mandated he can.

Martin567

gozunda wrote: »

No ...

You quoted my post in which it appears very clear what I meant! I said a "few" months which surely means a minimum of three i.e. the end of May.

Your link referenced 1 April which is only just over 5 weeks away, certainly not a few months.

Graham

Martin567 wrote: »

We will.

any thoughts as to where we'll find an extra 3 or 4 million vaccine doses? I understand demand is pretty high at the moment.

gozunda

Martin567 wrote: »

You quoted my post in which it appears very clear what I meant! I said a "few" months which surely means a minimum of three i.e. the end of May.

Your link referenced 1 April which is only just over 5 weeks away, certainly not a few months.

As detailed it has been estimated that by May an estimated 70-80% of people will have received their first shot only - so no they will not be "fully vaccinated" as per your comment

Matin567 wrote:

It will be very interesting in a few months if Northern Ireland is more than 70% fully vaccinated...

And agreed 1 April is not a 'few months"

Martin567

Graham wrote: »

any thoughts as to where we'll find an extra 3 or 4 million vaccine doses? I understand demand is pretty high at the moment.

I don't think you understood my post above. I agreed with you that we will need to find these extra doses in order to do likewise with the UK. I have no idea if we can do this or not.

My point is there will be a huge problem in June/July if we are far behind Northern Ireland and they are opening up way more than we are.

retro:electro

46 Long wrote: »

Overwhelmingly positive replies to this on Twitter. People have quite simply had enough.

https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1363832229621862400

People were either afraid to say publicly what their true feelings were or have been worn down so much over the last few weeks due to sheer incompetence and ignorance by the government that they’ve just had enough and don’t care anymore. The granny killer argument doesn’t wash anymore either as many grannies will be long vaccinated and this farce will still be ongoing. A lot were also afraid to voice concerns for fear of being lumped in with the fringe lunatics, which is actually still the insult de jour on here by the same three or four posters who are in favour of keeping restrictions.

Graham

Martin567 wrote: »

I don't think you understood my post above. I agreed with you that we will need to find these extra doses in order to do likewise with the UK. I have no idea if we can do this or not.

My point is there will be a huge problem in June/July if we are far behind Northern Ireland and they are opening up way more than we are.

I agree, it could get messy with the North.

Being realistic, I don't see where we'll get any additional doses unless the UK decide to be particularly neighbourly with their spares.

We're actually doing pretty well on vaccine acquisition via the EU scheme. I don't think we'd stand a chance of securing much out on our own against bigger countries with bigger orders and deeper pockets.

Graham

retro:electro wrote: »

People were either afraid to say publicly what their true feelings were or have been worn down so much over the last few weeks due to sheer incompetence and ignorance by the government that they’ve just had enough and don’t care anymore.

So what exactly is it you're suggesting.

1) We take the UK approach and announce that we hope to reopen everything 5 weeks before 100% of the adult population have been vaccinated (or at least offered a vaccine).

2) We don't take the UK approach, we just reopen everything regardless of vaccination/infection numbers and hope for the best.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

What I think is the uk have skilfully executed a bit of pr

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, setting out a clear plan for the end of restrictions alongside the conditions that need to be met in order for the rescinding of restrictions to continue.

I still observe that restrictions do not work as intended, but even so, clear communication about a path out of restrictions has the effect of giving people hope and ensuring more compliance. It also sends a clear message that the vaccine is considered effective, which will increase uptake and potentially expedite the phases of the path out of restriction.

Utterly bizarre that people would rather sneer at the UK for "PR" than point the finger at the shambles that's happening here, with vague waffle and Friday night leaks being the extent of the information given out about ending lockdowns.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, setting out a clear plan for the end of restrictions alongside the conditions that need to be met in order for the rescinding of restrictions to continue.

No, what the UK have actually done is announce a set of dates they hope to achieve based on massively higher vaccination rates than we could hope to match in the short term.

I understand why it's frustrating that we can't match the speed/volume of vaccine rollouts here, we're all in that boat.

beauf

Martin567 wrote: »

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My point is there will be a huge problem in June/July if we are far behind Northern Ireland and they are opening up way more than we are.

Dunno if that's true.

We had lockdown down before and were allowing people to travel in and out of the country to places like NI and UK which had little or no restrictions (at that time) and then back to Ireland. No huge problems other than bringing the virus in. Maybe it will be a problem but it wasn't before.

Lot of people in boards and social media talking themselves up into a frenzy. The real world isn't as hyperactive.

retro:electro

Graham wrote: »

So what exactly is it you're suggesting.

1) We take the UK approach and announce that we hope to reopen everything 5 weeks before 100% of the adult population have been vaccinated (or at least offered a vaccine).

2) We don't take the UK approach, we just reopen everything regardless of vaccination/infection numbers and hope for the best.

Why present such a dichotomy of extremes as the only choices available? And if we waited until a few weeks before the entire adult nation was vaccinated to reopen then we would be waiting until September most likely, so yeah let’s not do that. I don’t expect us to be open Monday morning like, we’re not ready for that yet. But it’s not too much to ask for our leaders to show leadership, to give us an actual plan and something to work towards, even with the added caveat that these might have to be pushed back (as they did caveat last summer) but also can be brought forward if things are looking good. You know? Little things like that go a long way with helping people psychologically. Right now we have a bunch of simpering fools who are already rolling back on the ONE thing they had hoped to achieve which is schools next week. It shouldn’t be too much to ask to be given some hope, to be told that “with these projections, numbers should be xyz by this date and we’ll also have xyz vaccinated to so we hope to be able to reopen xyz”. Instead we just have a big LOL NOPE, until April 5th (which will be extended) and while that may keep you going and keep you happy, a year into this living hell, most of us need something more.

gozunda

Graham wrote: »

I agree, it could get messy with the North.

Being realistic, I don't see where we'll get any additional doses unless the UK decide to be particularly neighbourly with their spares.

We're actually doing pretty well on vaccine acquisition via the EU scheme. I don't think we'd stand a chance of securing much out on our own against bigger countries with bigger orders and deeper pockets.

Meanwhile some good news. Looks like we're speeding up vaccination

100,000 people should be vaccinated this week, says HSE chief

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40231262.html

beauf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, .....

Maybe they'll get it right for the vaccines. Up to now with Covid and Brexit they've been a shambles. Boris has been the epicenter for much of that. He's not dull I'll give him that.

beauf

retro:electro wrote: »

Why present such a dichotomy of extremes as the only choices available? And if we waited until a few weeks before the entire nation was vaccinated to reopen then we would be waiting until September most likely, so yeah let’s not do that. I ....

Doesn't really matter what the numbers are. A lot here saying they want out of lockdown before people are vaccinated and regardless of the numbers.

fin12

Graham wrote: »

So what exactly is it you're suggesting.

1) We take the UK approach and announce that we hope to reopen everything 5 weeks before 100% of the adult population have been vaccinated (or at least offered a vaccine).

2) We don't take the UK approach, we just reopen everything regardless of vaccination/infection numbers and hope for the best.

Just open up the f*cking place, we’ve had enough of this sh*t.....

Worth noting that lifting restrictions does not obligate anyone to do anything. People who consider the risk of socialising or being in shops intolerable for whatever reason would still be able to stay home and avoid those things as they have been for the last year.

Graham

retro:electro wrote: »

Why present such a dichotomy of extremes as the only choices available? And if we waited until a few weeks before the entire adult nation was vaccinated to reopen then we would be waiting until September most likely

Thanks, that's exactly where I was heading.

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retro:electro

Graham wrote: »

Just imagine for a second what it would be like knowing in the region of 5 million people are impacted by every single decision you made at work today. Now add onto that the additional pressure of a large chunk of that cohort berating you for every single element of those decisions. Seriously stop and think about that for a few minutes. How does that equate to your most pressured day at work/home ever?
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Well that’s a completely moot point if ever I’ve read one because I didn’t take up a job that serves the public and by its very nature, puts me in the firing line for a large degree of criticism. Berating and criticising politicians is hardly something new, and it’s a part of the job that is well known to them before they hold position. And if my days got to tough and too stressful I’m sure I’d find solace in wiping my tears on some €100 bills from my recent pay rise while the rest of those who I was elected to serve count the pennies

Graham

I am glad now that the effort I put into a proper response to your previous post wasn't wasted.

You absolutely nailed the points I was trying to make without it coming across as a general rant whatsoever.

beauf

beauf wrote: »

Maybe they'll get it right for the vaccines. Up to now with Covid and Brexit they've been a shambles. Boris has been the epicenter for much of that. He's not dull I'll give him that.

He's not dull or stupid. His carefully crafted "bumbling buffoon" facade shrouds an adulation-seeking narcissist with serious daddy issues. But if his quest for recognition and adulation leads to the UK getting out of this mess earlier, then sure I think they'll take it and possibly even forgive his earlier blunders because of it.

ingo1984

jams100 wrote: »

So disappointed by the opposition parties we have in our country.

I watched the tonight show and Louise O'Reilly was on and it seemed she broadly agreed with everything the government has done bar the quarantining issue.

All she kept pointing out was the lack of clear communication by the government. Can these people not read the room??? Its no longer a communications issue but an issue of quality of life, alot of people like myself want to play a game of golf, meet a friend for a walk etc.

How can they see an issue with going 10k as opposed to 5k?
How can they see an issue with playing a game of golf over a walk in the park?
How can they not see what the current level of restrictions are doing to people?

I dont think I'll bother voting in general elections anymore...there's just no point

Anyway, if anyone out there is struggling your definitely not alone, this last few weeks/months have been soul destroying, reach out if your struggling, don't suffer in silence
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1) government are digging their own graves, opposition don't need to grind the axe into them.

2) any sane opposition party doesn't want to be in the next government and be responsible for cleaning up the financial mess well be in.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. What the UK government has done is treat its citizens like the adults they are and communicate honestly with them, setting out a clear plan for the end of restrictions alongside the conditions that need to be met in order for the rescinding of restrictions to continue.

I still observe that restrictions do not work as intended, but even so, clear communication about a path out of restrictions has the effect of giving people hope and ensuring more compliance. It also sends a clear message that the vaccine is considered effective, which will increase uptake and potentially expedite the phases of the path out of restriction.

Utterly bizarre that people would rather sneer at the UK for "PR" than point the finger at the shambles that's happening here, with vague waffle and Friday night leaks being the extent of the information given out about ending lockdowns.

There is a lot of the problem on this thread summed up in one word. Anyone who doesn’t always agree with the narrative being set on the thread is “sneering”. They are “lockdown merchants”. They are “living in fear”. “Curtain twitchers” or whatever other labels are used. It’s all about anger and put downs. Very little, “I believe you are wrong and here’s why”

Del Griffith

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Worth noting that lifting restrictions does not obligate anyone to do anything. People who consider the risk of socialising or being in shops intolerable for whatever reason would still be able to stay home and avoid those things as they have been for the last year.

Giving people the freedom of choice to make their own risk assessment. That's wild.

dublinbando

Del Griffith wrote: »

Giving people the freedom of choice to make their own risk assessment. That's wild.

Imagine thinking people were sensible grown adults and able to assess risk for themselves. :pac:

dublinbando

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a lot of the problem on this thread summed up in one word. Anyone who doesn’t always agree with the narrative being set on the thread is “sneering”. They are “lockdown merchants”. They are “living in fear”. “Curtain twitchers” or whatever other labels are used. It’s all about anger and put downs. Very little, “I believe you are wrong and here’s why”

Of course there is anger, the government has rescinded our freedom indefinitely, and there's a cohort of citizens who are perfectly fine with that? and want more freedom taken away too?

Del Griffith

Del Griffith wrote: »

Giving people the freedom of choice to make their own risk assessment. That's wild.

100% agree on the right of people to make their own risk assessment. We did see what happens when people made their own risk assessments before Christmas though. "Sure twill be grand to go to that house-party, I dont have it", "sure twill be grand to meet my group of friends from 4 different households for a meal down the local food pub, we are not sick", "sure it will be grand for half the town to book into the local hotel so we can get pissed and watch the match, it is the All-Ireland after all","sure it will be grand for Tom, Mark and John to travel back from London when they are in the middle of a surge", " Sure twill be grand"

dublinbando

dublinbando wrote: »

Of course there is anger, the government has rescinded our freedom indefinitely, and there's a cohort of citizens who are perfectly fine with that? and want more freedom taken away too?

Who?