Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

To be fair to the Government they can't save everyone's business. Many were going anyway and the need for the 'beer garden' and other facilities in pubs has been clear for some time.

NIAC Fanboy

Deleted User wrote: »

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

To be fair rates have been deferred since the start.

Probably be deferred again for the summer because a lot of places will only have partial trade.

PTH2009

Places should be allowed create space but not sure how it will work. Pedestrianised streets for weekends

hynesie08

City councils could really help out here, ban deliveries between 12-8 and let cafes and resteraunts use the loading zones for tables and chairs, same with parking spaces. In Dublin Capel, Merrion and south William St should all be pedestrianised.

saabsaab

PTH2009 wrote: »

Places should be allowed create space but not sure how it will work. Pedestrianised streets for weekends

Good idea.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

To be fair to the Government they can't save everyone's business. Many were going anyway and the need for the 'beer garden' and other facilities in pubs has been clear for some time.

How fortunate we are you're not in charge. You can afford to be so blase about it, because they most certainly don't have that luxury.

PTH2009

A cheeky mid week hotel stay is the best bet as i think weekends will be insane as will the prices

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

How fortunate we are you're not in charge. You can afford to be so blase about it, because they most certainly don't have that luxury.

Just stating the facts, this has been happening for a long time now as people's tastes change and many pubs don't. Adapt or die.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

And this is the key question. The answer to be blunt is no. In the rush for people to fall over themselves praising MM, the government have completely sidestepped this issue. There are some nebulous rumours about July, this will inevitably get pushed back to August and beyond. I know three publicans in my home town who cannot reopen for months because they don't have outdoor beer gardens, two of them are on the verge of going under with rates putting them in considerable debt. Some mickey mouse stipend from the government isn't going to patch up that financial hole, they have been abandoned by our esteemed leaders.

Whats the exacts tory with their rates? I thought they have been mostly deferred?

Coillte_Bhoy

PTH2009 wrote: »

Places should be allowed create space but not sure how it will work. Pedestrianised streets for weekends

Agreed and talking about this recently re two local pubs (my 2 locals as it turns out) who have no outdoor space worth talking about but both large gardens behind their premises but are separated by a public road so it seems for licensing and insurance reasons they cannot use these.

Now when i say road, i mean a back lane behind the street, with little or no traffic. I had always though some sort of special temporary license might have been brought in to allow these pubs to use these spaces for beer gardens but seemingly not.

PTH2009

No reason why Toilet facilities cant open in places, just need barriers up blocking seats/tables

Going by a quick gander on FB/Twitter a lot of independent restaurants are not happy about the Hotel decision

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

City councils could really help out here, ban deliveries between 12-8 and let cafes and resteraunts use the loading zones for tables and chairs, same with parking spaces. In Dublin Capel, Merrion and south William St should all be pedestrianised.

That will definetely happen easily so it will....:rolleyes:

]The plan to pedestrianise Merrion Row in Dublin City Centre this summer is “hare-brained” and “not going to happen,” according to councillor Mannix Flynn.

The Sunday Times reports that the council has agreed to pedestrianise Merrion Row, Mary Street and part of Capel Street in a bid to entice people back into town as restrictions are eased.

“We have hundreds of requests from people in Dublin to close off streets and do all sorts of hare-brained ideas but it is not going to happen, I can guarantee you that because it is a main artery,” he said.

Tenzor07

PTH2009 wrote: »

No reason why Toilet facilities cant open in places, just need barriers up blocking seats/tables

PortaPotties squashed in outside on the footpath beside enough tables and chairs for a business to make enough money to pay the bills....

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That will definetely happen easily so it will....:rolleyes:

If mannix flynn is against it, its almost certainly the right decision.

PommieBast

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

To be fair rates have been deferred since the start.

Probably be deferred again for the summer because a lot of places will only have partial trade.

Deferral is not enough. Many businesses are now at the stage where debts are so high that any repayment plan acceptable to creditors would be too much.

castletownman

What's the criteria regarding marquees?

The pub with the most renowned beer garden in Gorey has had a marquee installed in its car-park for almost a year now. Good size to it, and with retractable yawnings in the main beer garden section, definitely scope to fit a good chunk of people in on a wet day alone.

Another two places have outdoor smoking areas with picnic benches and decking, again with overhead cover. And a smaller pub (closest one to me) has a yard that they have never really utilised fully as an outdoor drinking option.

Have already booked a day or two off work

Itssoeasy

I thought I saw a tweet from gavan Reilly about Catherine Martin saying there’d be no limit on pubs but was outdoors or indoors ? I assume outdoors but I can’t find the tweet now. Any clarification on that ?

Ray Donovan

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I thought I saw a tweet from gavan Reilly about Catherine Martin saying there’d be no limit on pubs but was outdoors or indoors ? I assume outdoors but I can’t find the tweet now. Any clarification on that ?

No idea on upper limits buts it 6 max to a group. Table Service only.

hynesie08

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I thought I saw a tweet from gavan Reilly about Catherine Martin saying there’d be no limit on pubs but was outdoors or indoors ? I assume outdoors but I can’t find the tweet now. Any clarification on that ?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387831934034796546?s=20

Itssoeasy

Ray Donovan wrote: »

No idea on upper limits buts it 6 max to a group. Table Service only.

Yeah but that’s outdoors isn’t it ? I mean yes the places can open but **** it not every place has that luxury.

Tenzor07

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yeah but that’s outdoors isn’t it ? I mean yes the places can open but **** it not every place has that luxury.

Less than 30% of Pubs can offer outdoors drinking, 20% of restaurants outdoors also... still leaves a lot of businesses that will remain closed up for at least the next 8 weeks....

Will also mean the #Staycationers may find themselves with very few places to drink and dine as any premises that are open will be booked out... So will be cans from the local spar and back to your B&B...

PTH2009

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Less than 30% of Pubs can offer outdoors drinking, 20% of restaurants outdoors also... still leaves a lot of businesses that will remain closed up for at least the next 8 weeks....

Will also mean the #Staycationers may find themselves with very few places to drink and dine as any premises that are open will be booked out... So will be cans from the local spar and back to your B&B...

Would the bar in the hotel will be succinct ?

Itssoeasy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Less than 30% of Pubs can offer outdoors drinking, 20% of restaurants outdoors also... still leaves a lot of businesses that will remain closed up for at least the next 8 weeks....

Will also mean the #Staycationers may find themselves with very few places to drink and dine as any premises that are open will be booked out... So will be cans from the local spar and back to your B&B...

That’s my point. Yes pub can open but logistically you’d want to have the outdoor space to open and being that I live on the north side of cork city, most pubs are on main roads or in built up areas where space isn’t a luxury.

Tenzor07

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would the bar in the hotel will be succinct ?

Depends on the town I guess, not all hotels will have a licenced Bar so you'd have to go out anyways... And sure most Hotel bars aren't places I'd like to go to every day of my holiday...

Tenzor07

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That’s my point. Yes pub can open but logistically you’d want to have the outdoor space to open and being that I live on the north side of cork city, most pubs are on main roads or in built up areas where space isn’t a luxury.

Yea was a Pub Landlord from Cork on the "Tonight Show" who was saying they can't open the Pub with a few chairs out on the small footpath...

PTH2009

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yea was a Pub Landlord from Cork on the "Tonight Show" who was saying they can't open the Pub with a few chairs out on the small footpath...

I wonder did these sort of establishments enter the midjs of the decision makers or simply ignored

Ha Long Bay

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yea was a Pub Landlord from Cork on the "Tonight Show" who was saying they can't open the Pub with a few chairs out on the small footpath...

Tenzor07

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Good one, snow in Ireland during the summer wouldn't be completely impossible!

Richard Hillman

Very few pubs would have beer gardens that are viable for the obvious reason that we live in a kip of a country in terms of weather.

Its like owning convertible car in Ireland. You'll get a handful of great days to fully exploit it.

PTH2009

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Very few pubs would have beer gardens that are viable for the obvious reason that we live in a kip of a country in terms of weather.

Its like owning convertible car in Ireland. You'll get a handful of great days to fully exploit it.

Yeah and then trying to get in somewhere

Opening times tbc and I can't see them going back to normal just yet. Last orders 10.30-11pm most likely

Pintman Paddy Losty

Can't see the indoor 'wet' pub opening til after the summer if I'm honest. The theme is going to be outdoors for a long while.

DessieJames

This summer will mostly be spent in N.Ireland , pubs and shops up the North will be absolutely booming this summer with the influx of people from down here going up to enjoy life instead of waiting and wishing your life away here ,already got 3 trips planned in the next 6/7 weeks.:cool:

DessieJames

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Can't see the indoor 'wet' pub opening til after the summer if I'm honest. The theme is going to be outdoors for a long while.

Everyone will head up North, the the thoughts of scrambling to book beer gardens only for it to rain doesnt appeal!!
and please stop calling pubs "wet pubs" worst name ever after "staycation"

mightyreds

Cant see pubs opening at all till its too late any spike in cases there will be panic, as said I'm not spending 900 euro for a few days in Kerry or whatever to gamble on weather.

I'll spend it up north and enjoy outdoor drinks if its sunny but will also like the option of indoor if the weather is bad.

hynesie08

DessieJames wrote: »

Everyone will head up North, the the thoughts of scrambling to book beer gardens only for it to rain doesnt appeal!!
and please stop calling pubs "wet pubs" worst name ever after "staycation"

Sure about that? 200 quid room/train before you get a sniff of an indoor pint? Not for me or the majority of people I know.

mightyreds

hynesie08 wrote: »

Sure about that? 200 quid room/train before you get a sniff of an indoor pint? Not for me or the majority of people I know.

Ah i'll go for an outdoor pint or meal if i'm heading away for 1 night or into the nearest town but I wouldn't be looking to staycation down south.
I'm exactly the type they were trying to entice to spend local I've saved a fortune WFH for 13 months now.

I'm not going to spend it on a staycation here and gamble on weather i'd rather spend it and have a choice up north.

If I was heading into Dublin to do some shopping I'll eat outdoors but to be honest it was extremely difficult last year to do this with limited space.

But your right i wouldn't head north just for a pint inside I'd rather just stay home with a few bottles.

MOR316

hynesie08 wrote: »

Sure about that? 200 quid room/train before you get a sniff of an indoor pint? Not for me or the majority of people I know.

Depends what way you look at it.

I myself am heading up North in June. Not for indoor pints, but to get away as I haven't been out of here in over two years. Indoor pints are just a bonus (I'd be drinking anyways regardless)
Plenty of people in that mindset too.
There is also a minority who will just purely go for a piss up

Again, depends on one's perspective

thebronze14

mightyreds wrote: »

Cant see pubs opening at all till its too late any spike in cases there will be panic, as said I'm not spending 900 euro for a few days in Kerry or whatever to gamble on weather.

I'll spend it up north and enjoy outdoor drinks if its sunny but will also like the option of indoor if the weather is bad.

Likewise...Booked a trip around the East cost of the North for a week in late July..Have friends living around the province so will defo call up for another few visits

thebronze14

hynesie08 wrote: »

Sure about that? 200 quid room/train before you get a sniff of an indoor pint? Not for me or the majority of people I know.

Can do it a hell of a lot cheaper than that to be fair!

hynesie08

MOR316 wrote: »

Depends what way you look at it.

I myself am heading up North in June. Not for indoor pints, but to get away as I haven't been out of here in over two years. Indoor pints are just a bonus (I'd be drinking anyways regardless)
Plenty of people in that mindset too.
There is also a minority who will just purely go for a piss up

Again, depends on one's perspective

Completely agree, if gigs or live theatre kick off up there, I'll be the first in the queue for the enterprise, but tbh the idea of a planned drinking weekend really does nothing for me anymore.

hynesie08

thebronze14 wrote: »

Can do it a hell of a lot cheaper than that to be fair!

I like me comfort.

saabsaab

I look forward to a few pints in a local with a few vaccinated others soon. Outside is grand and a bit of rain won't bother me.

PTH2009

Outdoor Pubs reopening on a bank holiday Monday is a little odd and i do wonder did they forget that particular Monday was a bank holiday ??

Roll on June, May is going to be a long month

Ray Donovan

PTH2009 wrote: »

Outdoor Pubs reopening on a bank holiday Monday is a little odd and i do wonder did they forget that particular Monday was a bank holiday ??

Roll on June, May is going to be a long month

Expect it to be pushed to the 8th!!

PTH2009

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Expect it to be pushed to the 8th!!

If it is jesus its some comedy show were been run by

'Lads sorry but we made an error and places can reopen outdoors from the 8th June, our bad'

saabsaab

PTH2009 wrote: »

If it is jesus its some comedy show were been run by

'Lads sorry but we made an error and places can reopen outdoors from the 8th June, our bad'

It's probably going to be pushed out to the 12 July.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Outdoor Pubs reopening on a bank holiday Monday is a little odd and i do wonder did they forget that particular Monday was a bank holiday ??

Roll on June, May is going to be a long month

People still have work the next day.

thebronze14

hynesie08 wrote: »

I like me comfort.

Fair enough! We are staying in a mix of hotels, pods and if we can't find accomodation on Rathlin we're bringing the tent this summer:D

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

It's probably going to be pushed out to the 12 July.

I don't think there's any doubt at all that Holohan is already desperately trying to sow the seeds of postponing pub opening out. Any spike in cases and he'll be ready with the concernometer clicking up to 11.

finbarrk

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Depends on the town I guess, not all hotels will have a licenced Bar so you'd have to go out anyways... And sure most Hotel bars aren't places I'd like to go to every day of my holiday...

Imagine booking a hotel that doesn't have a bar? Not me anyway.