Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

dominatinMC

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40292468.html
Just an opinion, but one which I subscribe to. Potentially good times ahead. Regardless of your view, an interesting read nonetheless, and good to see an uplifting article. Maybe, just maybe, the narrative in the media is changing.

saabsaab

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/two-metre-rule-set-to-be-halved-forpubs-and-restaurants-40455196.html

Nothing we didn't already suspect, but this could banjax a few places.

Sure can't anyone knock out a window at the back or side if needed.

Coillte_Bhoy

saabsaab wrote: »

Attacking the messenger? She is pointing out the way it is going. I like the old style pub but I can see and already have seen many of them going. I doubt many like packed pubs busy yes but packed no. Hard to get to the bar and back without spilling it everywhere!

Did you hear it? She specifically said people dont enjoy packed pubs even if they say they do, thats my issue. You seem to have the same attitude, i have spent years working and drinking in small packed pubs, absolutely loved them as did the clientele, they wouldn't be there otherwise. As ive got older, no i dont go for them anymore but to make the blanket assertion that people dont like them is just absurd

saabsaab

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Did you hear it? She specifically said people dont enjoy packed pubs even if they say they do, thats my issue. You seem to have the same attitude, i have spent years working and drinking in small packed pubs, absolutely loved them as did the clientele, they wouldn't be there otherwise. As ive got older, no i dont go for them anymore but to make the blanket assertion that people dont like them is just absurd

No they don't really, they avoid them. They like busy.

stephenjmcd

saabsaab wrote: »

No they don't really, they avoid them. They like busy.

And your speaking on behalf of pub goers everywhere are you ?

Your assuming everyone in the country has the same view as you. You seem to know what everyone likes and what they don't

saabsaab

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And your speaking on behalf of pub goers everywhere are you ?

Your assuming everyone in the country has the same view as you. You seem to know what everyone likes

Just going by what I see. Anyway such jammed/cramped pubs will be out now with Covid.

stephenjmcd

saabsaab wrote: »

Just going by what I see. Anyway such jammed/cramped pubs will be out now with Covid.

Right so you projected out what you see to the population and tried to make a generalisation. Doesn't exactly work like that. Everyone likes different things. Your personal opinion isn't fact no matter how much you try to present it as such (on various topics too)

Packed is out for the moment, they'll be back don't you worry about that

crooked cockney villain

dominatinMC wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40292468.html
Just an opinion, but one which I subscribe to. Potentially good times ahead. Regardless of your view, an interesting read nonetheless, and good to see an uplifting article. Maybe, just maybe, the narrative in the media is changing.

No doubt a very upsetting read for the legions of miserable, lockdown loving lefties out there. The thought of people enjoying themselves is sacrilige to them.

dominatinMC

saabsaab wrote: »

Just going by what I see. Anyway such jammed/cramped pubs will be out now with Covid.

Have a look at the images from temple bar last night and try to convince people that the Irish don't like a few pints. This is only the beginning, wait until the pubs actually open!

crooked cockney villain

dominatinMC wrote: »

Have a look at the images from temple bar last night and try to convince people that the Irish don't like a few pints. This is only the beginning, wait until the pubs actually open!

Town was packed in general yesterday (shops etc), yes, seemed to be a lot of people getting takeaway pints.

Personally I can't see the attraction in paying 6 quid to drink out of a plastic cup on the street and would go for cans in this scenario, but each to their own. Not overly excited about the outdoor opening given our weather, more excited about an afternoon in Belfast next weekend :pac:

2ndcoming

No one over about 23 enjoys a packed pub. Busy hell yes, but sardines hell no. Reminds me of Space and Amnesia in Ibiza. No thanks.

saabsaab

2ndcoming wrote: »

No one over about 23 enjoys a packed pub. Busy hell yes, but sardines hell no. Reminds me of Space and Amnesia in Ibiza. No thanks.

Yes that's it. I'd say over 30 no one goes into packed pubs anymore.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes that's it. I'd say over 30 no one goes into packed pubs anymore.

You need to get out more often if you think no one over 30 goes into packed pubs anymore

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

You need to get out more often if you think no one over 30 goes into packed pubs anymore

Not happening now anyway! I'll be out when I get the chance.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Not happening now anyway! I'll be out when I get the chance.

As soon as social distancing is gone,restrictions are lifted and pubs get back to normal you will see pubs packed again like they were before covid

Stormyteacup

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/two-metre-rule-set-to-be-halved-forpubs-and-restaurants-40455196.html

Nothing we didn't already suspect, but this could banjax a few places.

More likely a misrepresentation of guidelines, which previously stipulated a separate entrance and exit ‘where possible’. So if your premises doesn’t have two public assess points then it’s not possible, but you can still operate. Same as smaller retailers already back trading - they may only have one point of access for the public but allowed to trade nonetheless.

saabsaab

Stormyteacup wrote: »

More likely a misrepresentation of guidelines, which previously stipulated a separate entrance and exit ‘where possible’. So if your premises doesn’t have two public assess points then it’s not possible, but you can still operate. Same as smaller retailers already back trading - they may only have one point of access for the public but allowed to trade nonetheless.

Ventilation will be important. So says soem study.

I never liked packed packed pubs but I’d rather that a million times over what she was envisioning.

Dickie10

Deleted User wrote: »

You need to get out more often if you think no one over 30 goes into packed pubs anymore

I think sometimes it just happens that a pub or venue is packed like a pub around crole park an hour before a big match can be like sardines and a sauna! if your in quinns or somewhere your not going to head off somewhere else prob just plow through and get a coupe of pints when you do get the bar.

Same maybe with Galway races where almost every bar and pub are wedged and its kind of the buzz of it all, same when out at the races unless you get owners/trainers bar. sometimes if you enjoy events like that or concerts etc you are in this environment and you just get on wit it. main thing you need at events like that is nearly double the amount of bars they usually have. jesus its lovely to be at an event like that and just walk up to bar and get a drink without being squashed.

UI_Paddy

Packed pubs are absolutely going to return. It's going to take a lot more than just life on hold for many to break a generational habit that's so ingrained in our culture like that. As has been pointed out matches, festivals, and gigs with their respective large social gatherings are really no different in the grand scheme of things.

We may have social distancing in place for some time, but at a certain point when everyone who wants a vaccine has had one COVID will be a distant memory and everyone will be enjoying their old pleasures promising themselves they'll never take them for granted again.

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

As soon as social distancing is gone,restrictions are lifted and pubs get back to normal you will see pubs packed again like they were before covid

You're right, I hope there's a boom in trade for all the hard hit businesses closed for the past 15 months... nothing can beat the atmosphere of a good Irish pub....
There's a few on here that would be "happy" enough to be sat at home in front of RTE1 with a few discount cans of pee from Lidl and let them stay there...

But Ireland is famed for it's pubs and it brings people here from all over the World and has inspired Irish themed bars Globally...

they're not going away despite what the misery guts on here say....

https://www.thejournal.ie/northern-ireland-relax-restrictions-indoor-hospitality-5444082-May2021/

A heartening sight, our neighbours accorded a simple privilege denied to us. Mark the date, let's see if indoor hospitality gets a fair shake here within the next six weeks. I suspect the shenanigans from last summer might repeat themselves with Tony at the helm, "we'll just have a push it out another few weeks as a precaution..."

Pintman Paddy Losty

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/northern-ireland-relax-restrictions-indoor-hospitality-5444082-May2021/

A heartening sight, our neighbours accorded a simple privilege denied to us. Mark the date, let's see if indoor hospitality gets a fair shake here within the next six weeks. I suspect the shenanigans from last summer might repeat themselves with Tony at the helm, "we'll just have a push it out another few weeks as a precaution..."

Hopefully it's safe enough to do so.



Very hard to call at the minute with Indian variant on the horizon. But we live in hope.

dominatinMC

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Hopefully it's safe enough to do so.



Very hard to call at the minute with Indian variant on the horizon. But we live in hope.

And what exactly is so worrying about this variant? Enlighten us..

Pintman Paddy Losty

dominatinMC wrote: »

And what exactly is so worrying about this variant? Enlighten us..

More transmissable.


AZ only 30% effective against it at one dose. It may necissitate pushing back the re-opening until most people have their second dose.

Tenzor07

dominatinMC wrote: »

And what exactly is so worrying about this variant? Enlighten us..

Apparently it's 100% likely to cause worry in those who only listen to RTE news and Tony Hulahoop...

Pop over the border where they're opening indoor pubs and not worried about it...

mightyreds

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Hopefully it's safe enough to do so.



Very hard to call at the minute with Indian variant on the horizon. But we live in hope.

Looks like we're best in class again
"NO its every other country thats wrong"

PTH2009

You can feel the doubt built up in the usual sources about hospitality reopening. A repeat of last summer is very possible, pushing it out further and further so they review data

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

You can feel the doubt built up in the usual sources about hospitality reopening. A repeat of last summer is very possible, pushing it out further and further so they review data

Who are these usual sources? Everything I've seen has been about an announcement on Friday. July 5th still the mooted date.

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

Who are these usual sources? Everything I've seen has been about an announcement on Friday. July 5th still the mooted date.

MM on the CB show didn't seem that confident and referred to the 'outdoor summer' craic

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

MM on the CB show didn't seem that confident and referred to the 'outdoor summer' craic

Every time someone says something you get yourself in a panic about the various scenarios.

Publicans want July 1st, they've been told it's unlikely, why ? Well because there's usually 4 weeks between each opening which brings you to the week beginning the 5th, so your either likely to get the final nod to say yes that week and open the following week or get the nod the week before to open week of the 5th.

Can we at least wait until this Friday comes and goes

UDAWINNER

I presume if indoor dining gets the go ahead for june 2nd that the restaurants are threatening legal actions to be the same with , then indoor drinking will be allowed too, here's hoping

shadyslimshady

I really think they want to milk this as long as they can now until the budget in October where they can justify increasing tax like never before.

hynesie08

UDAWINNER wrote: »

I presume if indoor dining gets the go ahead for june 2nd that the restaurants are threatening legal actions to be the same with , then indoor drinking will be allowed too, here's hoping

That absolute blowhard Adrian Cummins doesn't care about pubs unless they're gastro pubs, and the lawsuit is just his latest attempt to play politician.

stephenjmcd

hynesie08 wrote: »

That absolute blowhard Adrian Cummins doesn't care about pubs unless they're gastro pubs, and the lawsuit is just his latest attempt to play politician.

The lawsuit also won't get off the ground. He's a muppet

crooked cockney villain

PTH2009 wrote: »

MM on the CB show didn't seem that confident and referred to the 'outdoor summer' craic

The only saving grace is to remember MM is a barely coherent stumbling buffoon who would probably muddle his own date of birth if you asked him it. I wouldn't put any stock in any of his ad libbed off the cuff brain farts.

In saying that NPHET would love to turn the screw just one more time, three more weeks past our expected date, that type of thing.

Remember the day before full re opening was due last August it was cancelled due to a sudden, and wildly inconsistent, jump in the figures?

Dickie10

yeah i cant shake this awful feeling that NYPHET simply cant let pubs open before one last kick to head of the pub industry, before they leave the stage. Are they on TV on six 1 news still each evening?

saabsaab

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

The only saving grace is to remember MM is a barely coherent stumbling buffoon who would probably muddle his own date of birth if you asked him it. I wouldn't put any stock in any of his ad libbed off the cuff brain farts.

In saying that NPHET would love to turn the screw just one more time, three more weeks past our expected date, that type of thing.

Remember the day before full re opening was due last August it was cancelled due to a sudden, and wildly inconsistent, jump in the figures?

That was around the start time of our second surge. Sept to Oct 20 as far as I can remember.

opinionated3

Am I hearing correctly that there will be a time limit on how long you can stay in the pubs when they actually are allowed to open? This is madness.

stephenjmcd

opinionated3 wrote: »

Am I hearing correctly that there will be a time limit on how long you can stay in the pubs when they actually are allowed to open? This is madness.

Indoors yeah looks like it, do you really think most places are actually going to keep to it?

Now let's be honest businesses are and were going to set their own limits while capacity is reduced. My local is going with 2hrs 30 mins, why ? Well because with reduced capacity it ensures a steady turnover of trade throughout the day.

Will they be asking regulars to leave ? Just like last year no they won't

Ferris_Bueller

Yeah the latest sounds like the time limit will apply for indoor dining and pubs. I agree that a lot of places will probably choose to ignore it or not implement it, but it's a stupid decision. It worked to some extent last year combined with the substantial meal rule but if there will be a time limit on just drinking then that will surely encourage pub crawls, pre drinking, after parties etc.

I wouldn't be bothered with going out for 2 hours and then home, I'm sure most people are the same. It doesn't annoy me hugely as it's easy enough to move onto another pub but what is the point of it at this stage.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Indoors yeah looks like it, do you really think most places are actually going to keep to it?

Now let's be honest businesses are and were going to set their own limits while capacity is reduced. My local is going with 2hrs 30 mins, why ? Well because with reduced capacity it ensures a steady turnover of trade throughout the day.

Will they be asking regulars to leave ? Just like last year no they won't

You sound almost disappointed that some publicans will be taking certain liberties. Could one genuinely begrudge them after the hell they've been through over past 15 months? Most maligned sector in Ireland, abandoned by the government and subject to derisory nonsense like "Covid loves alcohol". And they've a few hurdles to negotiate yet as the indoor debate could potentially rumble on for months. I'll be returning to my regular haunt on June 7th, least I can do to support the local economy. Call it a civic duty, the good news is that I am far from alone.

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You sound almost disappointed that some publicans will be taking certain liberties. Could one genuinely begrudge them after the hell they've been through over past 15 months? Most maligned sector in Ireland, abandoned by the government and subject to derisory nonsense like "Covid loves alcohol". And they've a few hurdles to negotiate yet as the indoor debate could potentially rumble on for months. I'll be returning to my regular haunt on June 7th, least I can do to support the local economy. Call it a civic duty, the good news is that I am far from alone.

Disappointed that some publicans will be taking certain liberties? Eh no. Its their business, they can do as they please, setting your own booking slots when you've limited capacity makes business sense. I'll be supporting local pubs regardless of whatever they go with from the 7th June and going forward.

I think you've misread the post to be honest.

opinionated3

Hoping most publicans ignore this stupidity and operate as normal. The old normal.

Degag

Can’t say i agree with time limits potentially coming back. Just let pubs open and trade and stop the messing about.

Dickie10

Again with this there will be a huge divide between the busy city and town centre pub and the rural or even quiet urban pub. I think they will be world apart. in some instances the quiet rural pub wont even bother with outdoors in 2 weeks if its a wet evening and its a secluded place. Gardai wont be around inspecting pubs this time. Probabaly the one or two PR inspections for the news cameras and catching some poor unfortunate.

ShamNNspace

Dickie10 wrote: »

Again with this there will be a huge divide between the busy city and town centre pub and the rural or even quiet urban pub. I think they will be world apart. in some instances the quiet rural pub wont even bother with outdoors in 2 weeks if its a wet evening and its a secluded place. Gardai wont be around inspecting pubs this time. Probabaly the one or two PR inspections for the news cameras and catching some poor unfortunate.

You're forgetting the nosey curtain twitcher with a hotline to the local Garda station, they dwell amongst us still

Dickie10

not many around me thank God, and you would have your fill of beer sitting in at the fire before the gardai land at 12 oclock the next day.

Tenzor07

stephenjmcd wrote: »

My local is going with 2hrs 30 mins, why ? Well because with reduced capacity it ensures a steady turnover of trade throughout the day.
Will they be asking regulars to leave ? Just like last year no they won't

I can see the time limits making sense for some restaurants, however for Pubs asking the regulars to move on doesn't make sense... It's better to have the same people sat there all day buying drinks than constantly moving people on, sanitizing tables every couple of hours..

Even for restaurants, if people are lingering on after their meal but ordering a few bottles of wine and beers etc. then there's more profit from Alcohol sales i'm sure...

Dickie10

i know in a village beside me, a curtin twicher called the gardai 3 times to call out to a pub last summer she said were getting in take away food and most people not having any food at all and no time limits, gardai landed out the next evening at 6 pm say tuesday evening, about 4 men inside all social disatnced eating a chipper, she called them the following week they landed out at 4pm it wasnt open, called them again a few days later and they landed at 7pm midweek evening, 3 or 4 men again inside , nothing out of place. they stopped coming out after that told the publican ignore her.