Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

Dickie10

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

As thick as he is, as health minister Harris would have been aware that the general consensus was that a vaccine was at least three years away, due to both inventing the damn thing and it going through rigourous safety trials.

Now, as we all know, desperation has meant that these safety trials have been less rigourous than any other vaccine in history. There have been consequences to this, primarily only in women of under circa 50, to which the mantra has changed from "the vaccine is safe" to "the vaccine is very safe". I'll take mine, as men seem to have ha little to reported issues. If I were a young- ish woman I'd be wary, frankly.

But aside from all of that the point still stands- Simon Harris would have been advised in March/ April 2020 that a vaccine was likely 3 plus years away.

Simon Harris was of the opinion that crowded pubs, gigs, live sport, nightclubs could all go into hibernation for three years, maybe more, and sure, that's life.

To add insult to injury he gave the interview to the Indo who put it behind a paywall. Our health minister was having brainfarts on national policy that the majority of people were only given the headline grabbing quote of.

An absolute buffoon of a man. It says a lot about him and his attitude to youthful hijinks that he was health minister while still in his 20's championing minimum alcohol pricing legislation.

Fact of the matter is, none of these people care. Do you think Harris, or Ronan Glynn, or De Gascun, regularly set foot in pubs? When Glynn was filling in for Holohan for a few months he made Tony look like Liam Gallagher in the craic and charisma stakes, I can't exactly imagine him stumbling down Camden St at 4am on a regular basis. Our policy is being directed by advisors and their sycophant politicians who couldn't give a shyte about re opening pubs as they have little personal interest in going to them.

Say what you want about Boris Johnson, from the start of this his demeanor and his actions have been of a man just as eager to get out for a pint as the rest of us are.

pretty much sums it up, they have no interest in being in pubs chewing the fat, listening to music etc, but they do enjoy dining in fine restaurants and artsy gigs, so that will pave the way for the joe soap pub to open but we all know it will be through gritted teeth done grudgingly. they now cant open michelin star restaunts without opening the Auld Trinagle type pub, that really kills them....

crooked cockney villain

Dickie10 wrote: »

pretty much sums it up, they have no interest in being in pubs chewing the fat, listening to music etc, but they do enjoy dining in fine restaurants and artsy gigs, so that will pave the way for the joe soap pub to open but we all know it will be through gritted teeth done grudgingly. they now cant open michelin star restaunts without opening the Auld Trinagle type pub, that really kills them....

Their original plan was to do exactly that last summer, it was only when pubs that did food started arguing that they are technically restaurants and would re open when restaurants did that the government caved in and allowed them open too as they couldn't be bothered getting bogged down in legal argument about what is a restaurant and what is a pub. I'm just surprised they haven't tried saying that all restaurants and gastro pubs can re open but alcohol cannot be sold- I'm fairly sure Scotland did this for a few weeks? Can't imagine many even bothered opening mind.

Make no mistake, if they could have gotten away with it we wouldn't have had a pub open for a single day last summer into autumn.

In the end we got, 10 weeks?

HBC08

The writing was on the wall once the UK delayed by a month.They are our barometer of what happens here a few weeks later and have been all along.
I was a bit confused last week (was it Thurs?) at the NPHET briefing when they were so upbeat.It seemed pretty obvious to me at that stage that the delta variant would be on the rise soon and will be the dominant strain here in a few weeks.
With our vaccination roll out behind theirs and our more conservative approach in general this was only going one way.
My guess is they'll delay reopening for 3 weeks initially and then possibly further.Its a shame and I'm disappointed but that's how it's going to play out.We can't control that but we can control how we react to it. We'll have the usuals on here and over on the loon thread talking about Mehole,mental health,longest lockdown in Europe,demonstrations in the streets,uprisings and nothing will happen except it'll be later in the year when we can have indoor scoops.

Avon8

HBC08 wrote: »

The writing was on the wall once the UK delayed by a month.They are our barometer of what happens here a few weeks later and have been all along.
I was a bit confused last week (was it Thurs?) at the NPHET briefing when they were so upbeat.It seemed pretty obvious to me at that stage that the delta variant would be on the rise soon and will be the dominant strain here in a few weeks.
With our vaccination roll out behind , and our more conservative approach in general this was only going one way.
My guess is they'll delay reopening for 3 weeks initially and then possibly further.Its a shame and I'm disappointed but that's how it's going to play out.We can't control that but we can control how we react to it. We'll have the usuals on here and over on the loon thread talking about Mehole,mental health,longest lockdown in Europe,demonstrations in the streets,uprisings and nothing will happen except it'll be later in the year when we can have indoor scoops.

Not sure if its intentional but obviously we're not running a few weeks behind the UK all along. They've had indoor dining since mid may, spectators at events etc. Their push back by a month, which looks like itll go ahead fully in 3 weeks, was to remove all Covid restrictions and social distancing requirements and return to pre covid normal. If we delay until late July, we won't be a month behind the UK, we'll be in the exact same stage they were in mid April, despite our vaccination progress far exceeding where the UK were in mid April.

Not sure what your point is about people complaining either? Have we not had the longest lockdown in Europe? Should we not be compared to the rest of Europe? If Government believe public opinion is in favour of restrictions (as the impression has been all along), they'll feel under no pressure to open up. Thankfully people are now complaining relentlessly and pointing out the contradictions in guidelines and the comparisons with other countries. That's not just happening here, but all over social media, in certain parts of the MSM and with lobby groups. That pressure needs to be sustained

crooked cockney villain

Avon8 wrote: »

Not sure if its intentional but obviously we're not running a few weeks behind the UK all along. They've had indoor dining since mid may, spectators at events etc. Their push back by a month, which looks like itll go ahead fully in 3 weeks, was to remove all Covid restrictions and social distancing requirements and return to pre covid normal. If we delay until late July, we won't be a month behind the UK, we'll be in the exact same stage they were in mid April, despite our vaccination progress far exceeding where the UK were in mid April.

Exactly this.

I'm struggling to see what the Brits are so annoyed about. So freedom day got cancelled- all it really was was no more masks on the bus and being allowed go to nightclubs. Probably for three weeks.

It's a minor annoyance compared to what we are looking at. We haven't even been told we will get a freedom day- various shadowy figures are still claiming we will be wearing masks an social distancing in October, vaccines at 80% or not. Completely at odds with everywhere else.

Eamon Ryan today said he was very confident that international travel would return on July 19th.

I have little doubt that we may have a situation whereby I can fly to Luton, or Bradford, or some other Indian variant spot, and have a few pints, and come home the same day, but won't be allowed inside a pub in my home city.

Staggering stupidity.

HBC08

Avon8 wrote: »

Not sure if its intentional but obviously we're not running a few weeks behind the UK all along. They've had indoor dining since mid may, spectators at events etc. Their push back by a month, which looks like itll go ahead fully in 3 weeks, was to remove all Covid restrictions and social distancing requirements and return to pre covid normal. If we delay until late July, we won't be a month behind the UK, we'll be in the exact same stage they were in mid April, despite our vaccination progress far exceeding where the UK were in mid April.

Not sure what your point is about people complaining either? Have we not had the longest lockdown in Europe? Should we not be compared to the rest of Europe? If Government believe public opinion is in favour of restrictions (as the impression has been all along), they'll feel under no pressure to open up. Thankfully people are now complaining relentlessly and pointing out the contradictions in guidelines and the comparisons with other countries. That's not just happening here, but all over social media, in certain parts of the MSM and with lobby groups. That pressure needs to be sustained

You misunderstand me,whatever amount of weeks we are behind the UK in roll out is amplified by our cautious administration. Therefore when I saw the UK delayed their freedom day by a month I knew that the delta variant was serious and there's no way we'd be reopening as planned.I realise their reopening was the end of all restrictions and ours in less ambitious, we're not exactly comparing like with like but the point stands.

crooked cockney villain

HBC08 wrote: »

You misunderstand me,whatever amount of weeks we are behind the UK in roll out is amplified by our cautious administration. Therefore when I saw the UK delayed their freedom day by a month I knew that the delta variant was serious and there's no way we'd be reopening as planned.I realise their reopening was the end of all restrictions and ours in less ambitious, we're not exactly comparing like with like but the point stands.

What makes it more ridiculous is our government comparing the spread there like for like. The spread there started in neighbourhoods full of people from the Indian subcontinent, many living in three generation households. We don't have communities from there with their own enclaves, the spread was never going to be as rapid here.

saabsaab

Dickie10 wrote: »

ah now lads drink limits! come on. BUT i would be 80:20 that the pubs will not open for indoor dining til about august 8th at least , who knows after that. we all know at this stage tony would love to keep them shut forever.

I think it will be before that but there will be some rules. Who knows.

ShooterSF

2 bigger local pubs that refused to open if only outdoor have started posting to Facebook about the excitement of reopening on the 5th. Pics of new menus and the likes so at least the vintners in my area seem confident it is going ahead.

baldbear

ShooterSF wrote: »

2 bigger local pubs that refused to open if only outdoor have started posting to Facebook about the excitement of reopening on the 5th. Pics of new menus and the likes so at least the vintners in my area seem confident it is going ahead.

Not a chance. It'll be nearly August. Pints outdoors. Cans indoors

dodzy

baldbear wrote: »

Not a chance. It'll be nearly August. Pints outdoors. Cans indoors

Every day that passes without an increase in hospital numbers is really the only barometer that should be paid heed to. And every day that cases fail to rise will surely make it harder to push this poxy lockdown out any further.

honirelandboy

Few cans after slaughtering pints -

Who wears shorts shorts

PTH2009

honirelandboy wrote: »

Few cans after slaughtering pints -

Who wears shorts shorts

I wear shorts shorts

baldbear

dodzy wrote: »

Every day that passes without an increase in hospital numbers is really the only barometer that should be paid heed to. And every day that cases fail to rise will surely make it harder to push this poxy lockdown out any further.

Agreed. I don't understand how the UK aren't on the mandatory quarantine list..it makes a mockery of hunting pubs won't be opening. I heard there are 6 million pints ready for the reopening. If they are wasted it will be a national scandal.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Listening to the chatter on the radio and from briefings and I have to say there is no way that indoor drinking is happening. I have heard on the grapevine from a source in FG that a compromise of indoor dining being allowed again with the time limits, so differentiating from wet pubs, which is something at least.

crooked cockney villain

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Listening to the chatter on the radio and from briefings and I have to say there is no way that indoor drinking is happening. I have heard on the grapevine from a source in FG that a compromise of indoor dining being allowed again with the time limits, so differentiating from wet pubs, which is something at least.

Ah your old FG source.

Your troll game is week, fam, as the kidz would say.

Dr T wouldn't allow the time limits option. These lads know it would be unenforced as the Gardai of this country have, aside from the Holy Joes down in Galway, have had it up to here with this nonsense as much as anybody else. I can imagine Garda morale in central Dublin, D15, Ballsbridge must be fairly low given they are tasked with enforcing Covid breaches while being ordered to stand down while BLM wasters are allowed to hold illegal protests with impunity.

While the possibility of three weeks was given, as I said earlier that would make the first open weekend a bank holiday weekend. Not a chance we will be allowed that, it runs the risk of people enjoying themselves and too many pubs that are on their last legs just about surviving.

A five or so week extension from July 5th will be just enough to permanently force a few more old man pubs out of existence just as NPHET wants.

Something I just realised the other day. Due to a combination of Covid cancellations, FIFA corruption and our backwards, sycophantic government, there will be a six year gap, where normally it is two, between the last and next time I will have enjoyed watching international tournament football in the height of summer inside a crowded pub with a few friends (2018 being the last, 2024 being the next. Hopefully). Summer tournaments hold a bit of a reasonance with me pub wise as World Cup summer 2002 was the first time I managed to successfully pass myself off as an adult with any regularity.

Allowing us watch any of the Euros inside was never on the cards. Imagine if we had actually qualified for it (although let's be honest, the chances of us having been in it by July 5th were fairly slim :pac: )

crooked cockney villain

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/martin-and-varadkar-differ-on-reopening-expected-40584487.html

I suppose when election time comes Leo has to explain exactly what differs FG from FF, sluggish re opening will be his card to play.

That stuttering bumbling gobshyte Mehole surely has to come out and say July 26th, no ifs or buts, no matter if we are on 5000 cases a day.

I heard a bit on the radio news yesterday, 2- 3 weeks has now become a request of 4 to 5 weeks from some gobdaw off NPHET.

Degag

Apparently the Taoiseach was on the Week in Politics earlier and was a bit more positive about a July 5th reopening.

I think it just proves that there is no point in speculating too much and we just have to wait until the big meeting next week to see what actually happens. Think it's on Tuesday now.

Chuck Noland

https://twitter.com/rtetwip/status/1409107854615777280?s=21


Here’s what he said

crooked cockney villain

Chuck Noland wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtetwip/status/1409107854615777280?s=21


Here’s what he said

The last 24 seconds are the positive part.

Makes no difference. The man is an idiot and will blindly follow what Tony tells him to do. As if that lad will recommend opening pubs.

When it comes to lifting, who actually decides?

Is it a cabinet vote?

Two out of the three coalition leaders?

Or David Brent himself alone?

votecounts

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1409204010918289408

PTH2009

votecounts wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1409204010918289408

We all know the answer to that

Delay delay delay

saabsaab

PTH2009 wrote: »

We all know the answer to that

Delay delay delay

I wouldn't be too sure. High restrictions but re opening? (Will people obey them)

Pauliedragon

This is obviously a pure guess but I'd say it'll be delayed but only for a short period. There will be complete anarchy if if they delay indoor hospitality again by more than a couple of weeks. It's political suicide. MM will be saying to Tony H help me out here I need these places open to give me something to work with. Tony will say ok but 2 weeks at least get the vaccines in as fast as you can in that time and your ok.

Cork2021

PTH2009 wrote: »

We all know the answer to that

Delay delay delay

I don’t know, MM did mention businesses need notice as to when they can open to buy stock etc…
It’s a long shot but I hope the reason he’s getting NPHET to meet tomorrow is so that he can give that notice. The fact they’re bringing forward gives me some hope, if they left it until Thursday Friday then 100% it was being delayed

Tenzor07

My 2 cents? There's no way Hulahan is going to allow indoor dining, he'll put the fear of God into MMartin and there's no way he'll stand up to that...

Indoor dining in September... until they push the rest of the AZ Vacc on the 20's and 30's...

larchielads

Callin it now, closed til after aug bank holiday

Dickie10

yea mid August was my gut feeling for indoor i think we could be lucky to see that, they will literally give hospitality a 2 week summer before schools reopen, OMG . this has turned into one sick sick country.

ShooterSF

Well no one in this thread has to worry about the phrase "its the hope that kills you" pessimists everyone of yas

I'm hoping things reopen, I quit my bar job over xmas, management were not following any safety regulations and I live at home with 2 older parents that I would never get over making them sick. They've both had their 2 doses now and I should be getting my first soon and will be hoping to go back somewhere new if for no other reason than I'm nearly freaking broke! From talking to others in the industry around me they seem more confident than the average boardsie at least...

PTH2009

Binge drinking

Same scenes now as we at 2am on a Saturday

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Binge drinking

Same scenes now as we at 2am on a Saturday

What are you on about?

Andrew00

Indoor to open on the

5th: 6/1
19th: 15/8
26th: 11/10
Any Later: 10/1

That's how I'd price it up

Yester

Arthur's Day to return on the 23rd September: 1759/1

Lefty2Guns

Was in Kerry for 2 nights the week, stayed in Tralee and Killarney. Both hotel bars where packed on both evenings. Not much spacing between tables etc. people standing around tables drinking, which I have no problem with.

Really feel for the restaurants and bars around the country for not being able to open if this is standard across the countries hotels.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

Was in Kerry for 2 nights the week, stayed in Tralee and Killarney. Both hotel bars where packed on both evenings. Not much spacing between tables etc. people standing around tables drinking, which I have no problem with.

Really feel for the restaurants and bars around the country for not being able to open if this is standard across the countries hotels.

That's disgraceful. What was the name of the Hotel?

stephenjmcd

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's disgraceful. What was the name of the Hotel?

As if someone is going to tell you that....

dominatinMC

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's disgraceful. What was the name of the Hotel?

Fawlty Towers

Lefty2Guns

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's disgraceful. What was the name of the Hotel?

I cant remember.

Tazz T

Andrew00 wrote: »

Indoor to open on the

5th: 6/1
19th: 15/8
26th: 11/10
Any Later: 10/1

That's how I'd price it up

What price will you give me on they keep putting it back until cases are high enough not to open at all. Same as last year.

pjohnson

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's disgraceful. What was the name of the Hotel?

The Overlook Hotel.

saabsaab

pjohnson wrote: »

The Overlook Hotel.

Sounds familiar. People don't listen. It would be a good idea to open a Covid friendly pub now indoors. Vaccinated only, you could have it for over 40's anyone else has to prove their vaccination.

Tenzor07

saabsaab wrote: »

Sounds familiar. People don't listen. It would be a good idea to open a Covid friendly pub now indoors. Vaccinated only, you could have it for over 40's anyone else has to prove their vaccination.

Won't happen here, guaranteed.... The Israeli's did it early but their society is different.

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Won't happen here, guaranteed.... The Israeli's did it early but their society is different.

Pity.

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

Sounds familiar. People don't listen. It would be a good idea to open a Covid friendly pub now indoors. Vaccinated only, you could have it for over 40's anyone else has to prove their vaccination.

Jesus no! Have you seen the threads where people were going mad cause someone 38 in Cork got jabbed and they're in Dublin, 40 and not. And thats just to protect yourself from covid, never mind if you added access to indoor drinking onto it. There'd be killings Plus you probably now need a dedicated door person as you're essentially carding everyone coming in like a nightclub. And I haven't had one yet but assume a vaccine cert only has a name on it, no photograph, if so then all these 40+ have to start carrying passports, licenses or age cards again (well for the first time for most of that age group).

giveitholly

Lads what will happen to all the kegs that have been delivered to pubs/restaurants? Will the breweries take them back or have they a long shelf life?

giveitholly

giveitholly wrote: »

Lads what will happen to all the kegs that have been delivered to pubs/restaurants? Will the breweries take them back or have they a long shelf life?

The small businessmen who have bought perishable food and drink will have to absorb the financial loss after the Government reneged on its reopening date for the third time. For many - particularly small rural pubs, often the single social space in a village - the financial loss will lead to bankruptcy and the closure of the business.

The second time the Government banned bars from reopening, owners had less than a hundred hours notice that the reopening date was going to be reneged upon.

ShooterSF

b0nk1e wrote: »

The small businessmen who have bought perishable food and drink will have to absorb the financial loss after the Government reneged on its reopening date for the third time. For many - particularly small rural pubs, often the single social space in a village - the financial loss will lead to bankruptcy and the closure of the business.

The second time the Government banned bars from reopening, owners had less than a hundred hours notice that the reopening date was going to be reneged upon.

Are you sure? I know with the first lock down suppliers worked with bars to take a lot of stock back or partially refund costs to help them out. It is not in the interest of Diageo or Heineken for the local rural pub to go out of business that's for sure.
Although the last time, the notice was pathetic I'll agree on that! Anyway all in the air till tomorrow!

thesandeman

b0nk1e wrote: »

The small businessmen who have bought perishable food and drink will have to absorb the financial loss after the Government reneged on its reopening date for the third time. For many - particularly small rural pubs, often the single social space in a village - the financial loss will lead to bankruptcy and the closure of the business.

In fairness to Heineken, Diageo and pretty much every other supplier they all agreed to take back everything during the lockdowns.
They even gave credit for part used kegs.
They'll make it back in their own way but they can't be blamed for much in that regard.
Certain insurance companies on the other hand........

Pintman Paddy Losty

Do kegs go off that quickly? Would have presumed a keg of like a can. Fine if unopened.

ShooterSF

ShooterSF wrote: »

Jesus no! Have you seen the threads where people were going mad cause someone 38 in Cork got jabbed and they're in Dublin, 40 and not. And thats just to protect yourself from covid, never mind if you added access to indoor drinking onto it. There'd be killings Plus you probably now need a dedicated door person as you're essentially carding everyone coming in like a nightclub. And I haven't had one yet but assume a vaccine cert only has a name on it, no photograph, if so then all these 40+ have to start carrying passports, licenses or age cards again (well for the first time for most of that age group).

Can't blame them in fairness. The roll out has been somewhere between a joke and criminal.