Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

Pintman Paddy Losty

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0629/1231914-cabinet-hospitality-reopening-delay/

"NPHET presented some stark warnings to Government last night - the most severe of which predicted hundreds of thousands of cases between July and September and more than 2,000 deaths as a result of Covid-19."

Looks like they're delaying to introduce a vaccinated only indoor dining rule...

My own feeling is, that they will use this as an excuse to delay as they "develop the system". Indoor dining will be open in August for a few weeks at most before the seasonality aspect kicks in and were in another winter lockdown.

is_that_so

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Can't blame them in fairness. The roll out has been somewhere between a joke and criminal.

350K shots last week, similar enough this week, over 40% fully vaccinated, heading for 60% with at least one dose so yeah "somewhere between a joke and criminal".

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

350K shots last week, similar enough this week, over 40% fully vaccinated, heading for 60% with at least one dose so yeah "somewhere between a joke and criminal".

GP's being allowed to hand them out to whoever they like while other older people wait.

is_that_so

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

GP's being allowed to hand them out to whoever they like while other older people wait.

Some GPs handing them out to their patients, based on HSE protocols, largely based on the do not waste mandate, is hardly evidence of the dysfunctional system that you claim. MVCs are following the age groups and timings.

A lot more people are about to get pissed off with the "who you know" roll-out now too with this coming.


https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1409739295053713408

Tenzor07

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

["NPHET presented some stark warnings to Government last night - the most severe of which predicted hundreds of thousands of cases between July and September and more than 2,000 deaths as a result of Covid-19.".

Sacrificing Hospitality/Tourism for some doomsday worst case scenario that may never happen is just criminal... Looks like Holohan has turned the fear factor up to 13 on the dial meaning spineless FFFG won't dare stand up to him..

And the other idea of the Vacc'd only indoors? To be served food and drink by young unvaccinated staff??

Once MMartin bends to the latest diktat from NPHET it will mean that you won't be sitting in your favorite pub this side of Christmas!

Tenzor07

Well, more or less official now.... Pushed out again until the 19th...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/indoor-dining-delayed-until-july-19-while-vaccine-cert-system-is-developed-40591472.html

FlubberJones

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, more or less official now.... Pushed out again until the 19th...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/indoor-dining-delayed-until-july-19-while-vaccine-cert-system-is-developed-40591472.html

FFS this ****ing country is a joke.... If travel gets derailed on the 19th there should be a MASSIVE protest. Its simply unbelievable at this stage

bladespin

This is madness, what has Ireland done that has made it more of a risk here than anywhere else?

Tenzor07

bladespin wrote: »

This is madness, what has Ireland done that has made it more of a risk here than anywhere else?

Just go up the North or book into a hotel, the Delta variant can't get you there, or just go to a house party completely unregulated can't get you there either..

bladespin

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Just go up the North or book into a hotel, the Delta variant can't get you there, or just go to a house party completely unregulated can't get you there either..

Meh, could fly to Brummy with work and back same day, be grand.

HBC08

giveitholly wrote: »

Lads what will happen to all the kegs that have been delivered to pubs/restaurants? Will the breweries take them back or have they a long shelf life?

Yes the breweries that them back.

saabsaab

ShooterSF wrote: »

Jesus no! Have you seen the threads where people were going mad cause someone 38 in Cork got jabbed and they're in Dublin, 40 and not. And thats just to protect yourself from covid, never mind if you added access to indoor drinking onto it. There'd be killings Plus you probably now need a dedicated door person as you're essentially carding everyone coming in like a nightclub. And I haven't had one yet but assume a vaccine cert only has a name on it, no photograph, if so then all these 40+ have to start carrying passports, licenses or age cards again (well for the first time for most of that age group).

It would promote taking the jab. Anyway it won't suit every pub but I've heard that in some areas all over 18 are vaccinated now.

Timistry

At this stage it will be 2022 before the pubs open

Tenzor07

bladespin wrote: »

Meh, could fly to Brummy with work and back same day, be grand.

No good for the staff, they can't do that...

Unelected officials on €150,000+ making decisions to keep people out of work without having a clue about how business works.... I mean expecting young unvaccinated staff to go serve vaccinated and unvaccinated indoors and outdoors...
Hotels open for a number of weeks now for indoor dining and no Delta outbreaks..

Ireland the outlier time after time, destroying the economy to keep case numbers low...

thesandeman

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Do kegs go off that quickly? Would have presumed a keg of like a can. Fine if unopened.

3-4 months for the Macro beers. You won't get much more than a month out of craft as most don't contain preservatives.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

350K shots last week, similar enough this week, over 40% fully vaccinated, heading for 60% with at least one dose so yeah "somewhere between a joke and criminal".

Your reminder that the Government didn't bother convening the first meeting of the Vaccination Committee until after a vaccine had already been approved for use.

Incompetent to the point of negligence.

bladespin

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No good for the staff, they can't do that...

Unelected officials on €150,000+ making decisions to keep people out of work without having a clue about how business works.... I mean expecting young unvaccinated staff to go serve vaccinated and unvaccinated indoors and outdoors...
Hotels open for a number of weeks now for indoor dining and no Delta outbreaks..

Ireland the outlier time after time, destroying the economy to keep case numbers low...

That's my point really, I can jump on a plane and fly to the UK to carry essential work, drive around, have a bit of fun then fly back - no need to quarantine or restrict yet, can't go for lunch here, it's laughable tbh.

Tenzor07

Well there ya go, pubs and restaurants to stay closed, or if lucky enough to be able to have a few tables on the footpath outside...

Staff and business owners left sitting at home for 16 months now taking the blame for all this... Flatten curve...done...keep hospital numbers low...done...oh errmmm....stay closed until we vaccinate more... lies..

PTH2009

Fuming i bet they will want to close outdoor hospitality soon

No way will they reopen indoor on the 19th July.

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

It would promote taking the jab. Anyway it won't suit every pub but I've heard that in some areas all over 18 are vaccinated now.

I can't believe it is actually going to happen tbh. I used to work in a place that did pensioner pints and it was embarrassing asking for ID. The idea of asking everyone who enters for ID and a cert to get served sounds horrible and open to more arguments from the type who post here bragging about how they told the staff this and that.

hynesie08

ShooterSF wrote: »

I can't believe it is actually going to happen tbh. I used to work in a place that did pensioner pints and it was embarrassing asking for ID. The idea of asking everyone who enters for ID and a cert to get served sounds horrible and open to more arguments from the type who post here bragging about how they told the staff this and that.

Oh god, I hadn't even factored those muppets in.

" I made a 19 year old girl cry for having the nerve to do her job, ain't I great"

MrMusician18

PTH2009 wrote: »

Fuming i bet they will want to close outdoor hospitality soon

No way will they reopen indoor on the 19th July.

I wouldn't think so. Case numbers have remained relatively stable for a good while now

They will most likely repurpose the EU vaccine passport scheme for this reopening.

MOH

ShooterSF wrote: »

I can't believe it is actually going to happen tbh. I used to work in a place that did pensioner pints and it was embarrassing asking for ID. The idea of asking everyone who enters for ID and a cert to get served sounds horrible and open to more arguments from the type who post here bragging about how they told the staff this and that.

Even an age-based approach would make (marginally) more sense.
Open indoors for e.g. over-50s or over-60s, on the assumption they're old enough to make their own risk assessments if they're not fully vaccinated.
Reduce the age limit by 5 years every week or two as younger cohorts get vaccinated.
Indoor gets to open, at least some older people get to avail of it, without sharing with riskier younger cohorts.

It's got most of the same problems as a vaccine cert in that it's discriminatory and there's a whole host of implementation issues. But at least age-based restriction is an existing concept in pubs. Plus you're not going to have to start hassling pensioners for ID.

But the whole concept is ridiculous.

Tenzor07

The highest paid politicians and most expensive Government in Europe for just over half thet population of London and this is the utter cr*p they come out with:

https://www.thejournal.ie/stephen-donnelly-indoor-dining-unvaccinated-workers-5480515-Jun2021/


You can't go have a beer or a burger indoors if you're under 30 and unvaccinated but you can go serve that beer and burger if you work at a hotel to someone over 40 or 50 indoors!!:rolleyes:

Pintman Paddy Losty

Sounds bloody great for me. Fully vaccinated as of last week. Wife is much younger so she has just got her appointment for her first. Pints for the Pintman while she is at home.

Be great to have my local gastropub without the trendy snotty youngsters in it. (Except the young birds serving my grub of course)

saabsaab

Sure over half the population is vaccinated now. No bother for over 50's and the medical staff I'll bet a few pubs would do well enough on it.

ShooterSF

MOH wrote: »

Even an age-based approach would make (marginally) more sense.
Open indoors for e.g. over-50s or over-60s, on the assumption they're old enough to make their own risk assessments if they're not fully vaccinated.
Reduce the age limit by 5 years every week or two as younger cohorts get vaccinated.
Indoor gets to open, at least some older people get to avail of it, without sharing with riskier younger cohorts.

It's got most of the same problems as a vaccine cert in that it's discriminatory and there's a whole host of implementation issues. But at least age-based restriction is an existing concept in pubs. Plus you're not going to have to start hassling pensioners for ID.

But the whole concept is ridiculous.

Marginally probably But yeah imagine being 52 and going to meet some mates for pints and getting ID'd and having to go home to get your passport. You'd be shredded by your mates. It really is absurd to me.

PommieBast

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They will most likely repurpose the EU vaccine passport scheme for this reopening.

All signs I see is that the Irish state doesn't even have a vaccine passport scheme to repurpose.

is_that_so

PommieBast wrote: »

All signs I see is that the Irish state doesn't even have a vaccine passport scheme to repurpose.

Well, it won't be available in the EU until 1 July so you're right!

Degag

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I wouldn't think so. Case numbers have remained relatively stable for a good while now

They will most likely repurpose the EU vaccine passport scheme for this reopening.

Can't see a reopening on the 19th either being honest unless there is a major fallout due to today's decision.

LIke, i don't know much about the vaccine passport and how long it is along the process but in general trying to come up and implement a process just to get a certain cohort into a pub in ~2 weeks seems a) implausible and b) ridiculous.

jakiah

No chance theres a reopening on the 19th, the NPHET letter talks about rising cases until October, then we'll be in a seasonal outbreak. Its game over.

saabsaab

ShooterSF wrote: »

Marginally probably But yeah imagine being 52 and going to meet some mates for pints and getting ID'd and having to go home to get your passport. You'd be shredded by your mates. It really is absurd to me.

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

License? Probably I guess but again it is a matter of remembering it. Personally I leave mine in the car in case I'm stopped as you have to have it when driving by law.
Cert doesn't have a photo as far as I understand so that can't be used as ID. Even the articles mentioning it are saying certificate PLUS identification. Also leads to the question what happens if you lose your cert with a few drinks on you.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

There'll be a little business in fake cards now

aziz

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't nearly everyone have a drivers license? Or bring your vaccination card.

Why should I,

Have we turned into North Korea

PommieBast

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, it won't be available in the EU until 1 July so you're right!

I will be gobsmacked if Ireland actually manages to start issuing them within36 hours.

saabsaab

aziz wrote: »

Why should I,

Have we turned into North Korea

You don't have to. You may not be allowed in. I suggest a badge (maybe sponsored by the Vintners) a large 'V' with a small 2 to show double vaccination be handed to regulars.

saabsaab

ShooterSF wrote: »

License? Probably I guess but again it is a matter of remembering it. Personally I leave mine in the car in case I'm stopped as you have to have it when driving by law.
Cert doesn't have a photo as far as I understand so that can't be used as ID. Even the articles mentioning it are saying certificate PLUS identification. Also leads to the question what happens if you lose your cert with a few drinks on you.

Bring both? If you lose it, you lose it. What happens when you lose your wallet or anything of value?

aziz

saabsaab wrote: »

You don't have to. You may not be allowed in. I suggest a badge (maybe sponsored by the Vintners) a large 'V' with a small 2 to show double vaccination be handed to regulars.

Are you taking the piss or just insane

Tenzor07

saabsaab wrote: »

You don't have to. You may not be allowed in. I suggest a badge (maybe sponsored by the Vintners) a large 'V' with a small 2 to show double vaccination be handed to regulars.

I know what "V" i'd give to that suggestion! :rolleyes:

ShooterSF

saabsaab wrote: »

Bring both? If you lose it, you lose it. What happens when you lose your wallet or anything of value?

Well if you lose your license or passport you report it lost and get it replaced. Can you do that with a vaccine cert? I genuinely don't know.

And this is what you are asking staff to deal with (and I don't disagree with him/her I didn't apply to be the vaccine cop):

aziz wrote: »

Why should I,

Have we turned into North Korea

saabsaab

aziz wrote: »

Are you taking the piss or just insane

Neither. I hope. My predictions so far have been fairly accurate.

aziz

saabsaab wrote: »

Neither. I hope. My predictions so far have been fairly accurate.

So insane it is then,just like the government

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I know what "V" i'd give to that suggestion! :rolleyes:

A V2

Dickie10

i dont think any of us are surprised by this, like i predicted mid august for two weeks to save the summer before schools are back. not a hope anything will open before the August bank holiday

thebronze14

To answer the original question. No. It does not look like the Rovers will ever return

xl500

If the publicians behaved responsibly then we could probably be open much earlier

Look around you the ones that are open now "outdoor" a lot of them are flouting the rules

I see everywhere no distance between tables Outdoor areas completely Enclosed no ventilation etc etc

People are comparing us to other European Countries which are open the difference is there are rules regarding face masks numbers etc and they are enforced, here is a joke and look at Christmas we all know pubs were really taking the piss

You see the Vitners reps on TV you would think butter wouldn’t melt but the reality on the ground is very different

Just go into Galway City Dublin City or any Town for that matter and see how the rules at the moment are being universally ignored by the so called responsible publicans

All this is also being observed by NEPHET and the Politicians

Now if you agree with the rules or not is another question but at the moment they are the rules

The only way way we can open up is with strictly enforced rules but that won’t happen in Ireland so we all suffer because of some

finbarrk

I think its the customers that are flouting the rules mostly.

robbiezero

xl500 wrote: »

If the publicians behaved responsibly then we could probably be open much earlier

Look around you the ones that are open now "outdoor" a lot of them are flouting the rules

I see everywhere no distance between tables Outdoor areas completely Enclosed no ventilation etc etc

People are comparing us to other European Countries which are open the difference is there are rules regarding face masks numbers etc and they are enforced, here is a joke and look at Christmas we all know pubs were really taking the piss

You see the Vitners reps on TV you would think butter wouldn’t melt but the reality on the ground is very different

Just go into Galway City Dublin City or any Town for that matter and see how the rules at the moment are being universally ignored by the so called responsible publicans

All this is also being observed by NEPHET and the Politicians

Now if you agree with the rules or not is another question but at the moment they are the rules

The only way way we can open up is with strictly enforced rules but that won’t happen in Ireland so we all suffer because of some

No wonder cases and hospitalizations and deaths are through the roof. Oh wait....

Nphet didnt even know people were drinking in the city last month so i doubt they have a clue whats going on in the hospitality industry (or in general)