Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

mightyreds

HBC08 wrote: »

Sigh,
There are limits in a pub or restaurant vaccinated or not.

Yeah no ones allowed in at the minute , so no capacity but as far as i know theres no other plans till July 19th

dominatinMC

MOR316 wrote: »

Huh? I never said anything...I was just replying to your post

The other poster said they're back on the cards. The poster never said they were guaranteed and that was made clear today

They'll probably happen though, given their track record. In my opinion of course

Apologies, read the post wrong


Given we are still in a pandemic, lockdowns are always "on the cards" - in other words a possibility. But with the vaccines being so effective, the probability of another lockdown is extremely low IMO. Anyway, I digress, for this thread is about pubs!

ShooterSF

xl500 wrote: »

Covid pass works in other Countries no problem but our Publicians dont want it

Probably because they couldnt ram their premises way above the numbers allowed

So they're flouting the rules but also don't want a rule brought in that could let *some* people indoors which would be a great mask for letting lots of people who aren't vaccinated indoors if one was to flout the rules because it doesn't let them pack the pubs while following the rules??
That is some all over the shop logic!

MOH

xl500 wrote: »

No the owners of licensed premises have responsibilities as they are running a licensed premises and they are required to run it properly and in accordance with the law why should Gardai have to be going around pubs the owners should be running it in accordance with the law and if not then they could lose license

Did you report transport company to the Gardai

And how do you think the process of losing their license happens? Do you think the all-knowing magic license fairy hands them out to pubs, but takes them back from the naughty ones?

If you've got a problem with a particular pub, you're perfectly free to object to their license renewal to you local Circuit Court. There's even a handy guide on how to do it. Or since the objection might carry more weight from the Gardai, you could save them having to go around pubs by reporting the specific pub with an issue.

Of course, since courts deal in facts, either of those you require actual evidence relating to a specific premises. Rather than general rants about how all publicans are evil moneygrabbers who probably grease people up on the way in so they can jam as many as physically possible inside.


(As far as the transport company goes, given Irish Rail are a monopoly, unfortunately I'm not aware of any similar method by which it's possible to object to them being the operator of a particular route. I suspect if it was they'd be long gone. )

xl500

mightyreds wrote: »

Doesn't make sense, there is no limit on vaccinated people meeting so if they had the cert implemented they can ram as many as they like in.

No they cant every premises has a max number under their license but this is not easy to enforce but with covid pass very easy to see how many have entered so therefore not as easy to be in breach of allowed numbers

I suspect this has a lot to do with the Vitners objections

Tenzor07

xl500 wrote: »

No they cant every premises has a max number under their license but this is not easy to enforce but with covid pass very easy to see how many have entered so therefore not as easy to be in breach of allowed numbers
I suspect this has a lot to do with the Vitners objections

This magic "Covid pass" system just won't be done in Ireland, at least not anytime soon, there's no database or app or set of laws/rules in place for it, so you can keep having a pop at Publicans and the Vintners but it doesn't change the fact that the Government should have a system like this rolled out.

Muahahaha

PTH2009 wrote: »

NPHET should be put back in there box after the stuff that's happening this week

I was chatting with a mate on Wednesday and we were saying the same thing, we thought the furore from publicans, restauranteurs and the public in general about delaying opening up would result in them putting NPHET back in their box.

But then yesterday happened and what we saw was an absolute tour de force by Tony Holohan in seizing back the narrative and scaring the sh1te out of the country all over again. Even look at the headlines on the newspapers today, they are all generated by him. What he did was a remarkable flexing of his power.

At this stage we essentially have two governments, a political one and a health only one. Holohan has his platform with his daily press conferences and all media present and if he doesnt like what the politicians are saying he uses those pressers to scare people and seize back the initiative. Its pretty remarkable really.

mightyreds

xl500 wrote: »

No they cant every premises has a max number under their license but this is not easy to enforce but with covid pass very easy to see how many have entered so therefore not as easy to be in breach of allowed numbers

I suspect this has a lot to do with the Vitners objections

Ah right I thought we were chatting within the confines of covid restrictions not general restrictions on numbers, I've no argument with that

xl500

Tenzor07 wrote: »

This magic "Covid pass" system just won't be done in Ireland, at least not anytime soon, there's no database or app or set of laws/rules in place for it, so you can keep having a pop at Publicans and the Vintners but it doesn't change the fact that the Government should have a system like this rolled out.

Not having a pop at them just pointing out they are objecting to the covid pass and saying it's unworkable etcetc even if one was ready now to go

So what's they objections if they want to open safely as they say they do then make sure everyone who enters your premises is vaccinated including staff and with the vaccine now being rolled out to younger age groups what's the problem oh of course people would know how many enters the premises can't have that can we

brickster69

News from Northern Ireland

Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

PTH2009

brickster69 wrote: »

News from Northern Ireland

Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

Lucky buggers

stephenjmcd

brickster69 wrote: »

News from Northern Ireland

Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

That's general licensing laws from later this year for some and 2022 for others, nothing to do with covid.

Sure there's a bill to be presented here soon with later licensing hours going forward

hynesie08

brickster69 wrote: »

News from Northern Ireland

Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

Nice to see them finally play catch up.

saabsaab

Should have set up a few pubs as vaccine centres. Two pints of lager and a vaccine please.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Can't help but be very concerned about the sharp upward trend in hospitalisations when looking at the 7 day average. 77% of cases Delta variant.

Looking more and more like we'll see a tightening of restrictions rather than an easing. A shame. A lot of irresponsible publicans serving takeaway pints with no care as to the consequences have only themselves to blame in my opinion. A shame.

saabsaab

At this stage nothing will stop Delta becoming the only form of Covid infection here. Bring on Vax Passes.

Munsterbhoy

Here in limerick what I've seen over the last couple of weeks is that any pub with a smoking area has it converted to outdoor drinking. Pubs that were closed since March 2020 have opened up even 'old man's pubs' . Purely to trade and have some kind of normality.

Cork2021

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Can't help but be very concerned about the sharp upward trend in hospitalisations when looking at the 7 day average. 77% of cases Delta variant.

Looking more and more like we'll see a tightening of restrictions rather than an easing. A shame. A lot of irresponsible publicans serving takeaway pints with no care as to the consequences have only themselves to blame in my opinion. A shame.

Yawn!

saabsaab

Munsterbhoy wrote: »

Here in limerick what I've seen over the last couple of weeks is that any pub with a smoking area has it converted to outdoor drinking. Pubs that were closed since March 2020 have opened up even 'old man's pubs' . Purely to trade and have some kind of normality.

Same in many places.

PommieBast

Muahahaha wrote: »

At this stage we essentially have two governments, a political one and a health only one. Holohan has his platform with his daily press conferences and all media present and if he doesnt like what the politicians are saying he uses those pressers to scare people and seize back the initiative. Its pretty remarkable really.

For me the real issue is them leaving it right to the last minute, after publicans have spent 10-15 grand getting in stock. This is well beyond the level of wishful thinking prevaelant among even politicans so deliberate malace has to be assumed.

fin12

brickster69 wrote: »

News from Northern Ireland

Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

Say il head up for another trip , I’d like to go to a nightclub and if somewhere is open till 2am there will be music.

crooked cockney villain

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Can't help but be very concerned about the sharp upward trend in hospitalisations when looking at the 7 day average. 77% of cases Delta variant.

Looking more and more like we'll see a tightening of restrictions rather than an easing. A shame. A lot of irresponsible publicans serving takeaway pints with no care as to the consequences have only themselves to blame in my opinion. A shame.

:pac::pac:

I actually pity you. Imagine being scared of this thing.

crooked cockney villain

brickster69 wrote: »

News from Northern Ireland

Pubs and Hotels can apply to open until 2am up to 104 nights per year;
Smaller pubs will be able to open to 1am up to 104 nights per year;
Drinking-up time will be increased to 1 hour;

While NPHET and MM quake at the threat of a mild flu Northern Ireland pubs can have music back on from Monday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57644502#:~:text=Live%20music%20is%20not%20currently,venues%2C%20hospitality%20or%20at%20weddings.

I pray MM gets sued for every cent he has and ends up living in a hostel on Gardiner St.

crooked cockney villain

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

:pac::pac:

I actually pity you. Imagine being scared of this thing.

Double hard man.

Lesalare

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. Mods please move if so.

Hello all - quick Q. What is the go in Dublin City centre re. pubs at present and how easy is it to get a seat outside? Do you have to book pubs too like restaurants?

I have to meet someone later and I'd like to head to a pub in town with outdoor awning/rain proof etc but I don't want to get in to find we are turned away from everywhere. I know Bradys in Terenure you have to have a booking for out back in their beer garden.

Any advice from people who have been going in for a drink in town on a weekend recently?

Thanks a mill.

hynesie08

Most of capel st is walk up only, porterhouse on Nassau st as well, the Murray's/fibbes/living room triangle is 50/50 I think.

It'll be busy, but you'll get something

Lesalare

hynesie08 wrote: »

Most of capel st is walk up only, porterhouse on Nassau st as well, the Murray's/fibbes/living room triangle is 50/50 I think.

It'll be busy, but you'll get something

Thanks for that

Beasty

Threads merged

Tenzor07

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

A lot of irresponsible publicans serving takeaway pints with no care as to the consequences have only themselves to blame in my opinion. A shame.

Don't tell anyone but I saw a checkout girl in Tesco sell someone a 24 pack of Heino..Shussshhh.... don't want her to lose her job!!

votecounts

All this talk of the pubs opening indoors on the 19th for the full vaxxed or a negative test. Will these tests be subsidised or can you go to one of the walk in centres for free.Also aren't they only valid for 72 hrs, could prove very expensive depending how often you go out.
Any thoughts.

hynesie08

votecounts wrote: »

All this talk of the pubs opening indoors on the 19th for the full vaxxed or a negative test. Will these tests be subsidised or can you go to one of the walk in centres for free.Also aren't they only valid for 72 hrs, could prove very expensive depending how often you go out.
Any thoughts.

Tests have always been free.

votecounts

hynesie08 wrote: »

Tests have always been free.

They are not free when you are travelling abroad.

PommieBast

votecounts wrote: »

All this talk of the pubs opening indoors on the 19th for the full vaxxed or a negative test.

The fundamental flaw in the system is Ireland not having any actual certification system in place, and probably never will. Just getting an ordinary passport is 16 months and counting..

Neddyusa

hynesie08 wrote: »

Tests have always been free.

Certainly not free, I see from another thread here, we'll soon have spent half a billion euros on them so far (over a hundred euros for every man, woman and child)

saabsaab

Last year I saw US figures re Covid spread. May not relate to here exactly but it showed that Bars were the second highest source of Covid infection.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Last year I saw US figures re Covid spread. May not relate to here exactly but it showed that Bars were the second highest source of Covid infection.

Thats the US. When the bars were open here were they the cause for rise in numbers. No they werent

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats the US. When the bars were open here were they the cause for rise in numbers. No they werent

Not saying you are wrong but did we have figures on that?

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Not saying you are wrong but did we have figures on that?

I cant remember where i seen numbers before but they were fairly low in the hospitality trade

dodzy

Neddyusa wrote: »

Certainly not free, I see from another thread here, we'll soon have spent half a billion euros on them so far (over a hundred euros for every man, woman and child)

You know well that’s not what was meant in the original question.

xl500

Deleted User wrote: »

I cant remember where i seen numbers before but they were fairly low in the hospitality trade

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

MOH

xl500 wrote: »

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

At Christmas. When shops are jammed, airports are fully of people coming home, people are visiting each other in droves, but in your mind the only contributing factor was pubs? Lol.

Meanwhile, during the summer hospitality opened with nothing else much changing at the same time.
July 3rd, end of first week of being open. 7-day average was 12
July 24, three weeks later. 7-day average was ...... 16

And that's despite the fact that the number of tests rose 250% over the same period.

Tenzor07

MOH wrote: »

At Christmas. When shops are jammed, airports are fully of people coming home, people are visiting each other in droves, but in your mind the only contributing factor was pubs? Lol..

Exactly, that's "NPHET Science" Pubs bad cause cases...

nothing to do with the fact that people were going to each others homes, staying indoors due to restrictions.. and winter also so people go outdoors less anyways.. but yea lets blame a well regulated hygienic pub/restaurant environment.. Only in Ireland!

xl500

MOH wrote: »

At Christmas. When shops are jammed, airports are fully of people coming home, people are visiting each other in droves, but in your mind the only contributing factor was pubs? Lol.

Meanwhile, during the summer hospitality opened with nothing else much changing at the same time.
July 3rd, end of first week of being open. 7-day average was 12
July 24, three weeks later. 7-day average was ...... 16

And that's despite the fact that the number of tests rose 250% over the same period.

Pubs did not open in summer


https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0705/1233094-buncrana-covid-latest/

This is what's happening in an area where the pubs are open now as they essentially are using north to socialise and cases are going crazy and it'not shops etc as they are open in south so reason cases are high is direct result of pubs in north being visited by people around donegal

MOH

xl500 wrote: »

Pubs did not open in summer


https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0705/1233094-buncrana-covid-latest/

This is what's happening in an area where the pubs are open now as they essentially are using north to socialise and cases are going crazy and it'not shops etc as they are open in south so reason cases are high is direct result of pubs in north being visited by people around donegal

I'm talking about summer 2020, when the same hospitality opened as opened in December 2020 which you're claiming was the cause of the increase at Christmas.

Or you were - you've now moved on to an article from last weekend which has absolutely nothing to do with pubs in this country. You seem to be once again deciding that pubs are the issue, although the only mention in the entire article is a single vague sentence claiming that "people have enjoyed indoor hospitality in Derry". Which, last time I checked, was not in the Republic.

crooked cockney villain

xl500 wrote: »

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

Eh, no. Think you will find that was because MM did absolutely nothing, not a bit, to prevent tens of thousands of Irish expats returning from London at a time when an estimated 1 in 30 Londoners had contracted the Kent variant. Borders should have closed but nah, "mUh mEntAl hEaLth!" cried the London lot.

A decision for which Martin should be in prison, and the names of every single entitled gobshyte who came back infected should be published in the national media. They set us back 7 plus months.

Frankly I believe our Taoiseach was manipulated by figures who wanted the virus to spread. You know who they are.

The contrast in the hate campaign against the people who attended Cheltenham vs the ones who came home from London is baffling. Just your usual rich people hatred.

xl500

xl500 wrote: »

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

Have you got evidence to show them 2000 cases a day were linked to hospitality

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Exactly, that's "NPHET Science" Pubs bad cause cases...

nothing to do with the fact that people were going to each others homes, staying indoors due to restrictions.. and winter also so people go outdoors less anyways.. but yea lets blame a well regulated hygienic pub/restaurant environment.. Only in Ireland!

To be fair the stats for Covid sources were very suspect as in only 1% cases related to travel last year! People don't tell the truth and also what they couldn't pin into a category was entered as 'Community transmission'

xl500

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have you got evidence to show them 2000 cases a day were linked to hospitality

Well only that they went down when pubs were closed again

xl500

xl500 wrote: »

Well only that they went down when pubs were closed again

Show me the proof where hospitality was linked to the rise in numbers because you havent got it