Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

Tazz T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117728257#Comment_117728257

Yeah, but watch the looks ye get if you dander in off the street on your own and sit down at the last eight person table to order a pint

...actually might experiment with this and see what happens. The grouchy old foh at my local didn't want me sitting outside at an unreserved 'barrell' a couple of weeks ago as it was a 'waiting area' for prebooked diners.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117728671#Comment_117728671

Only 6 people tables currently! Well, officially...

But basically that happened in most places before - it was very rare asking strangers to share tables outside of hipster pubs.

Obviously no bar stools or standing customers currently.

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117728700#Comment_117728700

Let's hope that kind of shite is history by the end of October but I'm still a bit skeptical about them allowing normal service esp going into Winter

'One last push for this Winter lads'

crooked cockney villain

Must say no pub I've been into has been particularly packed. After all, the vast vast majority of people under their late 30's aren't allowed drink in them yet. Might pick up by early September when more people's double vaxxed QR will become active 14 days after, but it's a bit depressing looking from what I've seen so far.

Wonder at what point, if any, we will allow in people who for their own reasons, many of them perfectly legitimate, do not want a vaccine. They are of no threat to anybody, how long can this madness seriously continue.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729537#Comment_117729537

The thinking on this is as the vaccination rates go up, cases and hospitalisations should begin to decline. For now one can probably assume that this green cert measure will lapse in October.

MadYaker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117729537#Comment_117729537

The threat posed by unvaccinated people depends on how many there are. Luckily for us uptake here has been very high and the results are clear to see. I think once the vaccine rollout is completed (big vaccination centres closed and it’s just GPS and pharmacies) then most restrictions for non vaccinated will go but probably not before then. That’s only domestically though anyone who wants to travel to other countries and be able to do things there will probably need to be vaccinated.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117733036#Comment_117733036

They say that we need near 90% vaccinated to reach herd immunity with Delta.

Neowise

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735069#Comment_117735069

The 90% can include those who have gained immunity from other means than just vaccination.

Those that have gained immunity by recovering from covid are also part of that 90% figure.

PTH2009

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0809/1239851-covid-uk/

Good for Scotland after all the finger pointing MM done a while back

aziz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735832#Comment_117735832

I wonder has he been back on the phone to Nicola

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735845#Comment_117735845

Don't worry he will bring Tony with him for the next talk

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735449#Comment_117735449

True. Some have recovered and also vaccinated making it harder to calculate that 90% point.

SteM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/delta-variant-renders-herd-immunity-from-covid-mythical

Herd immunity isn't possible with the Delta variant according to the head of the Oxford Vaccine Group.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117736183#Comment_117736183

Bad news if that turns out to be the case.

saabsaab

I wonder would it depend on the major vaccine type used on a population? If it continues without herd immunity it can continue to evolve iinto even more transmissible strains - bad news.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737653#Comment_117737653

Take no notice of that nutcase at Oxford. What does he know about viruses, vaccines and stuff like that. Totally lost the plot over there, i mean what other country would do this ?

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738079#Comment_117738079

That graph seems to show that cases fell after restrictions were lifted? Am I missing something?

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117739952#Comment_117739952

You are not missing anything. Shortly after "Freedom Day" and after a period of increasing cases, the number of daily cases reached a peak and then started falling.

Part of it is because prior to Freedom Day a lot restrictions had already been lifted so that day was not particularly significant. Also there's a lag between changes in restrictions and the change in daily cases. The small rise happening at the moment could be a result of the remaining restrictions being removed on Freedom Day.

The other aspect is that daily cases rising, hitting a maximum and then falling is the normal pattern as a wave passes through the susceptible population. The UK's models most likely predicted that remaining restrictions could be eased and cases would still fall.

Johnson likes to present himself as a bumbling, tousle haired buffoon but behind him, of course, will be very competent mathematical epidemiologists who can make fairly accurate predictions.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117740827#Comment_117740827

I get your points but to predict its peak virtually to the day is surprising!

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117745145#Comment_117745145

I doubt if it down to the day but at this stage they could probably predict that within a relatively short time cases would reach a peak and then start to fall. I think the interesting thing about it is that normally, especially here, such a rise in cases would almost certainly have prompted some sort of increase of restrictions. Then, as case started to fall, that fall would have been attributed to the imposition of restrictions.

Johnson played it differently here. Knowing that there would be a fall shortly after full opening, he went ahead with the opening defying critics who had been predicting carnage. Then when the fall happened he gained politically and his critics lost credibility.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117735832#Comment_117735832

We are a loser country. A servile, booticking little loser country. One reason the mask mandate was lifted in England was because it became apparent a good percentage of people were no longer bothering with them anyway. I went out for pints yesterday, I'd put on my good cologne and thought, **** this, I'm not having the mask rub it off me, I'm **** triple vaxxed (one minor bout of Covid, two vaccines) I was the only one on the bus not wearing it, one girl about 15 even told her fella "he's no mask on I'm not sitting there" (yet she's probably off to a gathering of 15- 30 other teenagers later on that evening. Logic eh).

As a people we are an embarrassment. We get given these rules because we don't challenge them. How can a nurse wearing medical grade PPE spread Covid between several patients but a 5 euro piece of cloth will protect bus passengers?

crooked cockney villain

Must say btw pub was great yesterday, relative normality and not as dead as it was on July 26th as more people are now allowed in. Just wish there had been a big bang come one come all re opening rather than drip feeding it.

mariab21

My town centre was packed at 2.30am last nite, seems that most of the pubs are ignoring the 11.30 closing and rightly so

dominatinMC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756721#Comment_117756721

That's the way it's going to be though, no "Freedom Day" moment but more of a gradual return to normality. Pubs are slowly but surely starting to fill up again from what I've seen and experienced.

As for others lamenting the lack of spontaneity, etc. that was always going to be the case, I don't know why anyone was expecting any different. The rules and regulations are temporary, and slowly people will start ignoring them and using common sense, and eventually they will be removed altogether. For now, I'm just grateful that I can go for a pint indoors and meet a few people, watch matches, and talk a bit of shite! Music and all the rest will come eventually.

crooked cockney villain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117756832#Comment_117756832

Best thing this country can do is give an almighty middle finger to NPHET and the weirdos terrified of the mythical long Covid.

Beasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117757099#Comment_117757099

Provide some verifiable evidence proving Long Covid does not exist or do not post in this thread again

Beasty

crooked cockney villain is now threadbanned

PTH2009

God help pubs all over Mayo (and Dublin) when they win the All Ireland final

Even covid himself would ignore them for that week and have a little holiday (only a joke lads relax)

ShooterSF

I've definitely seen an uptick in trade of the few weeks my new place has been open and staff are getting more accustomed to taking orders, putting them through, grabbing tickets and making drinks and sending them out. It is a huge change to how things were done and reminds me of a stint I did in the States years ago. Honestly I kinda love dealing with a printer and I'll actually miss it when we're back to "2 vodka and cokes, and eh do you know what tom is drinking?" "Who's Tom and why didn't you ask them before coming to the bar?" "Oh and also a pint of guinness".

The rule allowing outdoor live music but not indoor is crazy though and caused so much heartache Saturday night with people going out for a smoke and staying outside and having to be told constantly that they can't congregate there and have to return to a table and if they want to sit outside we can try and hold a table if one opens up. Whoever thought this was a good idea, I dunno.

Mr rebel

Here’s hoping by this time next month we will be back to normal pub trading hours and late night bars. This 11:30pm closing is a killer.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117780515#Comment_117780515

Gonna miss the house parties after the 11.30 closing time 😥

PTH2009

Will they be looking at extending pubs hours with the aim of going back to regular hours

23.30 close is shite

PTH2009

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pubs-update-full-bar-24832647

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808725#Comment_117808725

Literally no actual information in that. What reopening date are they thinking about considering pubs have been open for a month??

PTH2009

Be nice to have the pubs back to proper hours by end of November if not before that but the elephant in the room will be the festivies of the times

October- Mid term/Halloween (there was no pubs open for that time last year)

November/December- full steam ahead Christmas/New Years celebrations but unlike 2020 no need for the €9 meal and no time limit

There will be pent up demand and who can blame people after the last 18 months

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808953#Comment_117808953

Just a quick tip on the pub closing hours go out an hour earlier. Problem solved. It's not ideal but better better than focusing on that point.

I have no doubt you are a good and genuine person but you appear to have got sucked up in these threads always looking for negative news and inventing scenarios to get worried about. I can see how other posters might get frustrated reading the negativity and react.

Pubs are open now and from reading your other posts you have your pub passport. Go and enjoy yourself and not worry about things outside your control.

The government or NPHET are not out to get you or restrict your freedoms they are just trying to keep hospital levels at a level they can manage nothing more nothing less.

PTH2009

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1432413273593421828?s=19

Oh lord

stephenjmcd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117825261#Comment_117825261

You'll get over it, for want of a better phrase.

A little later than I'd like as well but what can we do about that, nothing. Sure you'll be spoiled for choice that weekend with clubs as well

But in all seriousness In the grand scheme of things there's more important things to be eased first to be honest as much as we'd all like a late pint. If the cabinet want to move that 22nd forward a few weeks though it would be much appreciated (if any of them read boards) but getting closed sectors open and activities that aren't currently allowed would be a priority for me personally over an extra hour in the pub, even though its a pain in the arse

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117825261#Comment_117825261

Get yourself a local, they'll sort you out for a late pint.

For a lad obsessed with drinking, you don't seem to have anywhere to do it.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117825261#Comment_117825261

Hardly a surprise though.

ShooterSF

Not sure how true this is but apparently my local vinters polled owners on the issue and few were in any rush to push for its removal (11.30 kick out). I honestly don't think they can get the staff at the moment. Few can even open 7 days. It isn't like normal times where you can even have a one person show on midweek either. Need to check certs, take phone numbers, take orders and bring them to tables etc. which is making it even harder as the staff you already can't get are needed to do more cumulative hours in the week.

PTH2009

I'd hate the 23.30 close to be permanent

Would kill off nightclubs and late bars but thinks a certain cohert would be content with that

stephenjmcd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117828430#Comment_117828430

Of course it's not permanent, you've literally stated why it's not.

Programme for government includes later licensing hours

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117828430#Comment_117828430

Its not going to be permanent, nowhere has that being suggested, seriously why do you always bring up non existent issues?

Coillte_Bhoy

Has there been any indication of a relaxation and when of the indoor hospitality rules? ie table service only, 6 at a table etc

awec

The 6 to a table thing is the big one for me, I'd wait for the 11:30 thing if it meant getting rid of the 6 rule. The enforcement of this is sporadic but it's irritating when it is enforced.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117828430#Comment_117828430

What colour is the sky in your world?

ShooterSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117828460#Comment_117828460

Haven't heard anything. I could see the table of six thing going easy enough but not sure how much actual impact that would have. It also comes with the unseen issue that the bigger the table is the longer it takes to split bills (but that's only a minor issue) and people have started to move back to using cash which can get messy in that situation. Guilty of that myself a few times recently. It'll be one thing I can't wait to get back to because I'm a paranoid weirdo about bank statements telling people where I spend my money :D

As for table service, I don't see an alternative until social distancing rules are gone and I'd wager they're the last thing to go. Picture a busy Saturday night in your local and the crowd of people waiting to order at the bar and now try and find space to put them into a socially distanced queue which would be a drab affair too. I really don't get the hate for table service tbh. You don't have to leave the table to order a drink and if you get good at it you can order in time to have your next drink arrive as you finish the last one even on busy nights (just order sooner) As someone who only really ever went to pubs on quieter nights cause I had to work the busier ones, the one busy night I'd take off for a friends party it would drive me mad how long people can wait at a bar for a drink

Coillte_Bhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117828604#Comment_117828604

Not too bothered myself though i do prefer sitting at a bar but i used run pub poker tournaments and we hoping to get started again but if the 6 to a table rule and no moving between table rule is still being applied it makes it awkward.

ShooterSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117828625#Comment_117828625

Oh yeah massively prefer sitting at a bar when given the chance!

I feel your pain. I like to go play magic (card game) in a local shop once a week and we still can't but if his shop was a restaurant or a bar 6 of us could sit around a table playing. The niche activities are always likely to suffer from the rules I guess. Never crossed my mind about poker but yeah can see why that would be difficult, hopefully things can get back open soon so those kind of things are back by accident basically.