How would you rate the governments performance tackling Covid so far

Tenzor07

Bit cynical wrote: »

Too reliant on restrictions and lockdowns.

Of course, Ireland has issued more fines for travelling outside 5k from home than it has Vaccinated people I'd say..

If fines were vaccines we'd be out of this mess sooner.. sadly when the people of the UK will be attending a gig and having beers with friends, we'll all be still sat at home with the Tv and a can of beer...

PintOfView

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Of course, Ireland has issued more fines for travelling outside 5k from home than it has Vaccinated people I'd say..

If fines were vaccines we'd be out of this mess sooner.. sadly when the people of the UK will be attending a gig and having beers with friends, we'll all be still sat at home with the Tv and a can of beer...

Do you think we have truck loads of vaccine just sitting around in warehouses, that we're not using?

DessieJames

jcon1913 wrote: »

I never said anything about airports. Of course we'd have to stop people travelling to and from NI. If we are serious about stopping this then that's what we have to do.


Why should millions of people ( citizens of Ireland ) experience a form of house arrest only to have people swanning around the country spreading Covid - if you have an answer to this please enlighten us.


As for deliveries - we have plenty of drivers here - containers only is the route to go there no roll-on, roll-off allowed - simple really.


But if you want to mess about and tell people some BS that you are actually doing something by stopping travellers from 20 countries out of a potential 200 in the world then go right ahead. Don't expect me to fall for it though.

jesus you need to stop listening to mainstream media and NPHET , it's tragic how many people are absoutely racked with fear and anxiety over all of this, swanning around the country speading covid, thats something you'd ecpect to read in a tabloid newspaper.

I'm not sure you fully understand that N.Ireland is part of the UK , you cant just stop people crossong the border, it's not going to happen now or ever, people from both sides of the border travel for a number of different reasons whether tha be work, school,etc , you do realise the implications if the garda suddendly put a ring of steel around the border.

you seriously need to look at the acrtual facts surrounding travel, they have uused this as a scapegoart since the very start along with pubs and restaurants, if you cant see this then theres no hope for you.

I've just seen the North has the equivalent of 1.3 million vaccinated.

Even the DUP are making a show of us.

jcon1913

DessieJames wrote: »

jesus you need to stop listening to mainstream media and NPHET , it's tragic how many people are absoutely racked with fear and anxiety over all of this, swanning around the country speading covid, thats something you'd ecpect to read in a tabloid newspaper.

I'm not sure you fully understand that N.Ireland is part of the UK , you cant just stop people crossong the border, it's not going to happen now or ever, people from both sides of the border travel for a number of different reasons whether tha be work, school,etc , you do realise the implications if the garda suddendly put a ring of steel around the border.

you seriously need to look at the acrtual facts surrounding travel, they have uused this as a scapegoart since the very start along with pubs and restaurants, if you cant see this then theres no hope for you.

So new cases arrive in on the wind?

The practicalities of it are that we are farting around play acting only half doing the job.

Enough of the BS. stop the lockdown because it’s not a proper effort so why should the whole country suffer building up massive debt to pay out PUP and lots of other supports for business.

PintOfView

Deleted User wrote: »

I've just seen the North has the equivalent of 1.3 million vaccinated.

Even the DUP are making a show of us.

Have you looked at the reason they have more vaccinated?

Happydays2020

jcon1913 wrote: »

So new cases arrive in on the wind?

The practicalities of it are that we are farting around play acting only half doing the job.

Enough of the BS. stop the lockdown because it’s not a proper effort so why should the whole country suffer building up massive debt to pay out PUP and lots of other supports for business.

New cases come down to infections in the community and infections in hospitals. Travel is a tiny portion.

jcon1913

Happydays2020 wrote: »

New cases come down to infections in the community and infections in hospitals. Travel is a tiny portion.

The UK variant which accounts for 95% of cases here did not arrive by itself. That’s a fact.

For Forks Sake

Deleted User wrote: »

I've just seen the North has the equivalent of 1.3 million vaccinated.

Even the DUP are making a show of us.

They have one dose given - that is not "vaccinated"

Vaccinated isn't until the second dose is given, which the UK, and by extension NI, aren't doing until 12 weeks after the first dose, as opposed to 4 weeks here.

Check back in June and we'll compare how both administrations are doing.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

I've just seen the North has the equivalent of 1.3 million vaccinated.

Even the DUP are making a show of us.

UK did half a million today alone. Wouldn't be long once they finish up in getting everyone here done.

https://twitter.com/VaccinationsUK/status/1365331328561000449?s=20

Padre_Pio

jcon1913 wrote: »

The UK variant which accounts for 95% of cases here did not arrive by itself. That’s a fact.

How do you close the border with NI?

How do you police 300 crossings.
How do you deal with people who need to cross the border for various reasons?

jcon1913

Padre_Pio wrote: »

How do you close the border with NI?

How do you police 300 crossings.
How do you deal with people who need to cross the border for various reasons?

You stop people traveling for non-essential reasons. How many people are checked crossing the border right now?

Maybe very few. Which proves my point- they are playing around with this instead of taking the decisive action that is needed.

Eggs For Dinner

jcon1913 wrote: »

The UK variant which accounts for 95% of cases here did not arrive by itself. That’s a fact.

And once it got here we were happy to pass it around at lightning speed to our friends, families and neighbours because we're too selfish by not sticking to the rules and blame Johnny Foreigner

drunkmonkey

Padre_Pio wrote: »

How do you close the border with NI?

How do you police 300 crossings.
How do you deal with people who need to cross the border for various reasons?

You don't, let the British do it. Not much point all them being vaccinated and we undo all their hard work with the ballyshannon variant.

jcon1913

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

And once it got here we were happy to pass it around at lightning speed to our friends, families and neighbours because we're too selfish by not sticking to the rules and blame Johnny Foreigner

At no point did I blame foreigners.

But victim blaming/shaming is a thing too you know.

It’s all our fault- yeah?

My view is that the hard decisions have not been taken- easier to enforce a lockdown than close borders.

Anyway nothing I’ve read here has changed my mind on this.

Mr. teddywinkles

Padre_Pio wrote: »

How do you close the border with NI?

How do you police 300 crossings.
How do you deal with people who need to cross the border for various reasons?

By the sounds of it. It will be the other way around in a few months

DessieJames

jcon1913 wrote: »

So new cases arrive in on the wind?

The practicalities of it are that we are farting around play acting only half doing the job.

Enough of the BS. stop the lockdown because it’s not a proper effort so why should the whole country suffer building up massive debt to pay out PUP and lots of other supports for business.

Evidently it was broght in to the country, no one is disputing this, but theres no evidence to suggest it came via Dublin airport, it could have been a truck driver through the ports, or come via N.Ireland, this scaremongering and mass hysteria about travel is downright and utter nonsense of the highest order, and is a smokescreen from the government to deflect their complete and utter failure to control this.

ill agree with you on one point, the lock down should be stopped imemdiately, people are sufefring mpore now than at any other point.

Cluedo Monopoly

If the government does not want to introduce mandatory hotel quarantines, then say why you don't want to do it and don't do it. End of story.

If the government does want to introduce mandatory hotel quarantines, then say why and get it done asap (months ago).

But if you do want to do it, do it right - don't do it half arsed. Don't create a list of mostly obscure countries in Africa and South/Central America and leave out major Covid countries like USA. What's the point otherwise?

PintOfView

DessieJames wrote: »

Evidently it was broght in to the country, no one is disputing this, but theres no evidence to suggest it came via Dublin airport, it could have been a truck driver through the ports, or come via N.Ireland, this scaremongering and mass hysteria about travel is downright and utter nonsense of the highest order, and is a smokescreen from the government to deflect their complete and utter failure to control this.

ill agree with you on one point, the lock down should be stopped imemdiately, people are sufefring mpore now than at any other point.

Do truck drivers not have to have negative covid tests these days?

You say there's no evidence a particular variant was brought in via Dublin Airport.
Yes, the virus didn't get its little passport stamped so we've no direct evidence!
However what do you think is more likely, that someone from Belfast coming to Dublin, brought a South African variant, or someone landing in Dublin from literally anywhere in the world, including South Africa (and no offence to South Africans, it's just an example)?

Quick look and direct flights into Dublin today were/are from Boston, NY, Chicago, Dubai, Rome, Paris, Madrid, London, Glascow, Romania, Bulgaria.
Also, Skyscanner still works, and you can book a flight from literally any other country in the world to get here via one of those airports.

Will everyone coming be free of Covid? I think not!
Will everyone coming in self quarantine for two weeks? I think many will, but certainly not all
Will those carrying covid self quarantine for two weeks? Same as prev, some will, but not all.

So it's likely that Dubin airport will continuously seed some virus into the country if there is no mandatory quarantine.
Will some of those people travel via Belfast instead? Probably some, but less than would arrive directly.

Our half hearted approach to this up to now has given us multiple lockdowns and a population that is getting more agitated and restless.
At a minimum, for the moment, until enough people have been vaccinated, it makes sense to me to quarantine all incoming travellers.

It's hardly a coincidence that China did this nearly a year ago, and have been effectively covid free for most of that year,
and have managed to catch and stamp out any new infections arriving!

ShineOn7

Vincent Browne for President



https://twitter.com/vincentbrowne/status/1365654304854577152

Manach

While it is only a relatively small percentage, the housebound are still one of the most vulernable groups. In spite of numerous assurances from the HSE and other bodies that they would not be left behind and plans are in being put in place, there has been no actions over the past several weeks with HSE stating it is a GP issue and vice versa. That no governmental stakeholder is providing clarity or communications makes it appear that they are more interested in the perception of action rather that the performance.

Oranage2

Ha, Stephen Donnelly is one of the worst wafflers in government. The know it all is constantly been shown up.

is_that_so

Manach wrote: »

While it is only a relatively small percentage, the housebound are still one of the most vulernable groups. In spite of numerous assurances from the HSE and other bodies that they would not be left behind and plans are in being put in place, there has been no actions over the past several weeks with HSE stating it is a GP issue and vice versa. That no governmental stakeholder is providing clarity or communications makes it appear that they are more interested in the perception of action rather that the performance.

Reid mentioned these and said that would be taken care of, one would assume by by public vaccination teams. Such individuals would likely split off into different vaccination groups anyway. We're still only doing the over 80s.

Manach

is_that_so wrote: »

Reid mentioned these and said that would be taken care of, one would assume by by public vaccination teams. Such individuals would likely split off into different vaccination groups anyway. We're still only doing the over 80s.

Mr. Reid and others have stated this, repeatedly. But no plans are in place, nor communicated to the GPs, local public health stakeholders or to the carers for those over 85 group.

is_that_so

Manach wrote: »

Mr. Reid and others have stated this, repeatedly. But no plans are in place, nor communicated to the GPs, local public health stakeholders or to the carers for those over 85 group.

They will be told when they need to be told. McCraith has more than once stated how fluid the supply issue is. The logical thing to me is that they get those who can do so to GPs and MVCs first, then address any in this group who are in the over 70s. Remember there are a lot of moving parts - they are also doing other categories and first or second doses for HCWs and NHs.

Manach

is_that_so wrote: »

They will be told when they need to be told. McCraith has more than once stated how fluid the supply issue is. The logical thing to me is that they get those who can do so to GPs and MVCs first, then address any in this group who are in the over 70s. Remember there are a lot of moving parts - they are also doing other categories and first or second doses for HCWs and NHs.

"They will be told when they need to be told." is utterly patronising hogwash and betrays an elitist attitude of the administration knows best. It does not. This lack of communication, of focus on the needs of the most vulnerable and the inability to lay out any actions that will trigger the vaccination for the housebound is rank incompetence.

is_that_so

Manach wrote: »

"They will be told when they need to be told." is utterly patronising hogwash and betrays an elitist attitude of the administration knows best. It does not. This lack of communication, of focus on the needs of the most vulnerable and the inability to lay out any actions that will trigger the vaccination for the housebound is rank incompetence.

It's really not. There is no point communicating a plan for vaccination when it is unclear when exactly it can happen at this moment in time, it doesn't mean there isn't one. We do have a general indicator of when the over 85s, 80s and 70s will be done. The hubris of GPs and others assuming they should know all of this is more of an issue in terms of managing expectations and anxieties.

Manach

is_that_so wrote: »

It's really not. There is no point communicating a plan for vaccination when it is unclear when exactly it can happen at this moment in time, it doesn't mean there isn't one. We do have a general indicator of when the over 85s, 80s and 70s will be done. The hubris of GPs and others assuming they should know all of this is more of an issue in terms of managing expectations and anxieties.

It really is.

The core concept of modern patient care is informed choice. That no parameters have been set in place and so be communicated to this vulnerably group means than no rational care choices can be made. The mythical HSE plan has not been communicated to any internal stakeholder, at least those that I have spoken with, and the data seems to be more driven by quantity than quality of service. This is driving the housebound and their family's anxiety, that the stock phrase used over the past several weeks by Mr. Reid "No one left behind" is so much rhetorical hot-air.

is_that_so

Manach wrote: »

It really is.

The core concept of modern patient care is informed choice. That no parameters have been set in place and so be communicated to this vulnerably group means than no rational care choices can be made. The mythical HSE plan has not been communicated to any internal stakeholder, at least those that I have spoken with, and the data seems to be more driven by quantity than quality of service. This is driving the housebound and their family's anxiety, that the stock phrase used over the past several weeks by Mr. Reid "No one left behind" is so much rhetorical hot-air.

TBH this complaint has been aired at least half a dozen times by GPs, the INMO, HCWs, pharmacists and others since the start of the year. All, in due course, were informed. It will be the same here and if the people concerned are in the over 80s they will get to them very soon, over 70s thereafter. Others will follow with their own groups.

jcon1913

DessieJames wrote: »

Evidently it was broght in to the country, no one is disputing this, but theres no evidence to suggest it came via Dublin airport, it could have been a truck driver through the ports, or come via N.Ireland, this scaremongering and mass hysteria about travel is downright and utter nonsense of the highest order, and is a smokescreen from the government to deflect their complete and utter failure to control this.

ill agree with you on one point, the lock down should be stopped imemdiately, people are sufefring mpore now than at any other point.

Well we do agree on the fact that the lockdown is hogwash

Either do or do not- there is no try

All we have now is a try. Like I said in a previous post the government has had a year and endless resources to get this right. To quote one of the reporters in the Indo today- once the vulnerable groups are vaccinated people’s patience will run out