How would you rate the governments performance tackling Covid so far

newuser99999

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Arelene was lobbying for us with Boris

I would have 100 times more confidence in her getting us some than Micheal

And that’s saying something

fullstop

For the first 4 or 5 months I thought they handled it very well, but it’s been a ****ing **** show since MM and Donnelly took over. Donnelly i think is a complete clown and MM is being undermined at every turn by Varadkar leaking to the media. The whole thing has turned into playground nonsense with no leadership, and MM comes across very weak.

Eggs For Dinner

Handled very well pre-Christmas, given the shambles that is our public health service.Post-Christmas they have been shocking. I appreciate they have little control over the supply of vaccines, but there has been no leadership. There is no criteria laid out as to when various stages of re-opening can be considered, the enforcement of lockdown is a joke, no scientific explanation as to what a 5km limit achieves and quarantine regulations are disgracefully slow in being introduced.

I go through life believing that rules should be adhered to for the greater good of everyone and I have been 99% compliant during the last year, often being quite vocal about those that didn't. Now, I can't bring myself to criticise lockdown breakers. The Government has lost the public IMO.

Wanderer78

Eggs For Dinner wrote:

I go through life believing that rules should be adhered to for the greater good of everyone and I have been 99% compliant during the last year, often being quite vocal about those that didn't. Now, I can't bring myself to criticise lockdown breakers. The Government has lost the public IMO.

....but are all rules created for the greater good of everyone? Break the rules if you need be, particularly if it's for your well being

Eggs For Dinner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

....but are all rules created for the greater good of everyone? Break the rules if you need be, particularly if it's for your well being

Generally, adherence to rules benefits all. Individuals doing their own thing affects everyone. In the case of Covid, rule breaking has prolonged this thing far beyond what it could have been and therefore impacted on everyone's well being

Wanderer78

Eggs For Dinner wrote:

Generally, adherence to rules benefits all. Individuals doing their own thing affects everyone. In the case of Covid, rule breaking has prolonged this thing far beyond what it could have been and therefore impacted on everyone's well being

Ah Id somewhat disagree there, sometimes rules are created and implement for the benefit of a few, rules and regulations are not clear cut, they should of course benefit all, but....

The government has implemented these rules to try control this virus, but have failed very badly in addressing people's critical needs under such conditions, particularly their psychological needs, so the people have decided enough is enough, and have decided to hell with these rules. If the government spent more time thinking about citizens critical psychological needs, things would be better, so here we are....

Eggs For Dinner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah Id somewhat disagree there, sometimes rules are created and implement for the benefit of a few, rules and regulations are not clear cut, they should of course benefit all, but....

The government has implemented these rules to try control this virus, but have failed very badly in addressing people's critical needs under such conditions, particularly their psychological needs, so the people have decided enough is enough, and have decided to hell with these rules. If the government spent more time thinking about citizens critical psychological needs, things would be better, so here we are....

But if a larger majority of people had adhered to the rules, we would be a lot further down the road to dealing with associated mental health issues. I agree it is a chicken and egg situation.

My general point is that people, for the most part, did as they were asked pre-Christmas and it paid dividends. Their efforts, post-Christmas have been undermined by a lack of Government leadership and competence.

Wanderer78

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

But if a larger majority of people had adhered to the rules, we would be a lot further down the road to dealing with associated mental health issues. I agree it is a chicken and egg situation.

My general point is that people, for the most part, did as they were asked pre-Christmas and it paid dividends. Their efforts, post-Christmas have been undermined by a lack of Government leadership and competence.

government certainly underestimated the possibilities when reopening for christmas, their conservative ways got the better of them, they were panicking over the economy, when in fact they should have been panicking about the possibilities, they ve lost the people since then, they wont get it back

totally agree that the Government have lost the people at this stage.
Even Prof Luke O Neill alluded to this yesterday on RTE speaking to Brendan O Connor.
He said the Government need to lose their pride and get on the phone to the UK and USA using our political advantage and close relationship with both to ASK for some vaccines! He is right (assuming there are any to spare).
But more importantly he said the Government cannot keep the public under restriction indefinitely and need to see the huge stress that people are now under!
Kudos to Luke O Neill, I actually thought he was sounding frustrated and annoyed himself during this interview......

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

totally agree that the Government have lost the people at this stage.
Even Prof Luke O Neill alluded to this yesterday on RTE speaking to Brendan O Connor.
He said the Government need to lose their pride and get on the phone to the UK and USA using our political advantage and close relationship with both to ASK for some vaccines! He is right (assuming there are any to spare).
But more importantly he said the Government cannot keep the public under restriction indefinitely and need to see the huge stress that people are now under!
Kudos to Luke O Neill, I actually thought he was sounding frustrated and annoyed himself during this interview......

That will cause ructions at EU levels though.

It should be done though, too much at stake.

ingo1984

fullstop wrote: »

For the first 4 or 5 months I thought they handled it very well, but it’s been a ****ing **** show since MM and Donnelly took over. Donnelly i think is a complete clown and MM is being undermined at every turn by Varadkar leaking to the media. The whole thing has turned into playground nonsense with no leadership, and MM comes across very weak.

No, it was a **** show from the start.

Start of march, the nursing home association requested government to impose restrictions on people visiting nursing homes. Simon Harris said that's not going to happen as they don't want to negatively impact the mental health of the residents (despite it being common knowledge already that elderly and infirm are most vulnerable). End of march they backtrack and impose restrictions. Been a horror show since.

Plumbthedepths

ingo1984 wrote: »

No, it was a **** show from the start.

Start of march, the nursing home association requested government to impose restrictions on people visiting nursing homes. Simon Harris said that's not going to happen as they don't want to negatively impact the mental health of the residents (despite it being common knowledge already that elderly and infirm are most vulnerable). End of march they backtrack and impose restrictions. Been a horror show since.

Scroll to March 10th of the link provided. Harris was acting on advice. Don't assume I'm defending Harris btw I think he's an incompetent gob****e.https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/06/24/left-to-die-nursing-home-timeline/

Wanderer78

Danzy wrote:

That will cause ructions at EU levels though.

So what at this stage, We need to plough on with vaccines at this stage, people are done with restrictions, we have to plough on or else.....

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

totally agree that the Government have lost the people at this stage.


Nah. :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths

Graces7 wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

totally agree that the Government have lost the people at this stage.


Nah. :rolleyes:

I travel for work everyday bar the weekend, roads have gotten very busy. I see lots of people out together. Large queues at shops. The government has lost alot of buy in.
I believe you live on a small island so obviously you don't see the same socialisation happening as mainlanders do.

Eggs For Dinner

Like I said earlier, I'm a rule & law follower. I'm also middle-aged, will never vote for the looney left or the shinners (god forbid). When they start losing people like me, they're losing the battle to retain trust in the government

Eggs For Dinner

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Like I said earlier, I'm a rule & law follower. I'm also middle-aged, will never vote for the looney left or the shinners (god forbid). When they start losing people like me, they're losing the battle to retain trust in the government

exactly - this is what I mean.

My conservative 63 year old sister and her 70 year old husband living in Donegal have given up with the 5km restrictions. She was the most restriction abiding person I knew all last year, something we clashed on a few times. :rolleyes:

My cousin who I spoke to last night lives in Wexford, she is 62, she has also started to meet friends outdoors for walks and coffees. She never dreamt of doing all last year, she also goes wherever she likes now, no more 5km for her. She is "going shopping" or "visiting a grave"

When middle aged rural dwellers give up compliance its says far more about the mood of the nation than when it's college students or people going to a protest.

I live in a busy area of North Leinster and its clearly visible that there's huge amounts of people out now compared to last year. All socially distancing, wearing masks in queues for coffee etc, but far bigger numbers than any time up to now!

Wanderer78

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Like I said earlier, I'm a rule & law follower. I'm also middle-aged, will never vote for the looney left or the shinners (god forbid). When they start losing people like me, they're losing the battle to retain trust in the government

to be honest, theres something very interesting occurring amongst some traditional conservative voters, traditional conservative parties also slowly losing some of their base, this has been occurring long before covid, its very interesting to watch, oh and the loony left are on the way!

MIDLANDSMAN

I'm another one who never voted for the left but with the mess FG and FF are making of the pandemic, I'm not voting for them again. I've written to my local FF and FG TD's to express my disgust of how they are handing the restrictions, rollout of vaccines, the handing the reins of power to unelected Nephet, constant negatively and treating the public who have had infinite patience so far like children. And the constantly moving goalposts just to add to everything. I made it clear that myself and many of my friends and family would not be voting for them again.

Strangely I got a reply from both of them and both want to talk to me. I guess they are starting to get a lot of grief from the public and the thought of the next election must be starting to set off a few alarm bells.

Getting re-elected seems to be the only way to get their attention

Eggs For Dinner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

to be honest, theres something very interesting occurring amongst some traditional conservative voters, traditional conservative parties also slowly losing some of their base, this has been occurring long before covid, its very interesting to watch, oh and the loony left are on the way!

The older generations vote in higher numbers than most. As I head towards seniority, I definitely question the traditional parties, however, the looney left is still too far for me. Reasonable people who lived through the daily atrocities up North (both sides) will never vote Shinner.

Cluedo Monopoly

Wanderer78 wrote: »

to be honest, theres something very interesting occurring amongst some traditional conservative voters, traditional conservative parties also slowly losing some of their base, this has been occurring long before covid, its very interesting to watch, oh and the loony left are on the way!

I feel the Social Democrats will do well as a result of people abandoning the legacy FFG power swap. They have some superb TDs and make a lot of sense.

The government have completely lost the public, again.

Manach

I'm conservative. Both in the handling of the vaccine roll-out and the skewed reaction to the Covid ( not allowing conditional religious services unlike most other countries and as well a lassitude in establishing border controls ) means a dis-enchantment with the Government parties. If the parties could have included Sinn Fein in a unity government for the duration, then at least it would have been an equity effort across the spectrum.

Cluedo Monopoly

Yes I think an all party government might have worked a lot better.

Cluedo Monopoly

Martin had a call with the AstraZeneca CEO that were described as 'positive'. Next day AZ vaccine is suspended.
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is_that_so

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Martin had a call with the AstraZeneca CEO that were described as 'positive'. Next day AZ vaccine is suspended.
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You seem to be endowing him with some level of superpowers!

RGS

It was a positive call from the government point of view --the CEO took the call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For Forks Sake

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Yes I think an all party government might have worked a lot better.

Poor and all as the current govt is with three elements trying to knife each other, what exactly would have improved if you threw SF, SocDems , Lab and the alphabet soupers into the mix?

VinLieger

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Poor and all as the current govt is with three elements trying to knife each other, what exactly would have improved if you threw SF, SocDems , Lab and the alphabet soupers into the mix?

The benefit would have been they couldn't try to knife each other as by doing so they would all look bad as none of them could politically survive being seen as the ones responsible for bringing down a government during a pandemic and thus requiring an election which with our current systems can only be done by in person voting.


Basically they would all succeed together or all die together politically speaking.

FG and FF were very arrogant to not involve SF at least in the coalition or a confidence and supply with an agreement of when the pandemic is over an election is called because SF are going to come out of this whole thing relatively unscathed with very little covid stink on the vs FF and FG who are filthy with it.

M_Murphy57

VinLieger wrote: »

The benefit would have been they couldn't try to knife each other as by doing so they would all look bad as none of them could politically survive being seen as the ones responsible for bringing down a government during a pandemic and thus requiring an election which with our current systems can only be done by in person voting.


Basically they would all succeed together or all die together politically speaking.

FG and FF were very arrogant to not involve SF at least in the coalition or a confidence and supply with an agreement of when the pandemic is over an election is called because SF are going to come out of this whole thing relatively unscathed with very little covid stink on the vs FF and FG who are filthy with it.

FG arent explicitly knifing FF but they are employing pathetic and embarrassing passive aggressive tactics that have almost the same effect.

For example MM kite flies about the restrictions going on for the entire summer and Leo immediately tweets "summer will be better". Theres countless examples of Leo subtly undermining MM. Hes like a bold child since he was demoted to tainiste. It embarrassing for both parties the way hes carrying on and will only result in them both being obliterated at the next election.

Eggs For Dinner

VinLieger wrote: »

FG and FF were very arrogant to not involve SF at least in the coalition or a confidence and supply with an agreement of when the pandemic is over an election is called because SF are going to come out of this whole thing relatively unscathed with very little covid stink on the vs FF and FG who are filthy with it.

It wasn't arrogance. FF/FG specifically said they wouldn't entertain coalition with SF and that's one of the reasons they got so many votes. Despite the shinners saying people voted for change (25%), the majority voted to keep them out