Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

speckle

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Just checking the new vaccine prioritisation guidelines.
It says "severe asthma (repeated use of systemic corticosteroids)" - what does this mean? that you need your inhaler every day?

scroll down page for defintion

https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

Renjit

Renjit wrote: »

Is real :pac:

Jacob israel needs to finish strong..thats the master race for you:Dù

Atlantic Dawn

Will be interesting what the UK approach to inbound tourists will be from June 21 onwards, in theory with the bulk of them vaccinated by then it should be a case of come one come all.

plodder

Ficheall wrote: »

Yes, I know, but that wasn't my question.


The poster I was responding to was suggesting that the virus was weakening and therefore reducing the R number wouldn't matter.
My point was that the vaccines should reduce the R number, and if they didn't it would be problematic.

No, I never said the virus was "weakening". I was referring to the effects of vaccination.

Azatadine

Turtwig wrote: »

I don't like alternatives point of view debates as that makes everything fifty-fifty when in science they're not. They simply should not be in the airwaves period. Or they should be fact checked by the relevant anchor.

Variants are a concern. They could become serious. They might not. The way their used to imply the vaccinations have no benefit is appalling. It's also a public health hazard. People may hesitate to get vaccinated because of this crap.

Great point. The question is, why are these clowns wheeled out day after day, night after night to peddle their agenda. Why do the likes of RTE and TV3 always default to these contributors rather than more balanced scientists like Kingston Mills for instance?

Knex*

h2005 wrote: »

Am I missing something with the vaccines, why is there such a push at the moment to say they're not the answer? Surely the vast majority ending up in hospital now would have been in the demographic marked for early vaccination? Once these people are all vaccinated surely the hospital numbers and deaths plummet? What stops us from getting on with our lives then?

I'm with you on this, but I imagine the more you let the virus transmit, there's a greater chance for it to mutate into a more serious variant, ala Spanish Flu. One that the vaccines may not protect against.

I guess the thinking is vaccinate everyone, virus will invariable have less opportunities to transmit or mutate further, then we move on.

It's all a balancing act and making tradeoffs based on a lot of unknowns. But the government needs to sort their messaging out, and also give the public a little bit of hope.

It's very hard to see why the likes of construction, altering the 5k limit, meeting a friend outdoors in a park, can't be planned. 12 months in and telling people no update for 6 weeks is an absolute cluster****.

speckle

rusty cole wrote: »

#spanishinquisition

I had visions of monty python when I read that lol

plodder

Azatadine wrote: »

Great point. The question is, why are these clowns wheeled out day after day, night after night to peddle their agenda. Why do the likes of RTE and TV3 always default to these contributors rather than more balanced scientists like Kingston Mills for instance?

There are practical matters like who is available night after night. They have to put a bum on the seat, any bum better than none.

TheDoctor

plodder wrote: »

There are practical matters like who is available night after night. They have to put a bum on the seat, any bum better than none.

Certainly finding bums alright

Ficheall

plodder wrote: »

No, I never said the virus was "weakening". I was referring to the effects of vaccination.

Fair enough. You said

"We don't because it doesn't matter if the whole country is infected with a dose of the sniffles. The hope is that this virus will be reduced to 'just another coronavirus' "
We don't vaccinate for the common cold coronaviruses and covid isn't just the sniffles, so you'll forgive me misinterpreting your intentions.


The vaccines reduce the R number. The R number still matters. We're just making better inroads into reducing it now thanks to vaccines+various other measures.

plodder

plodder wrote: »

There are practical matters like who is available night after night. They have to put a bum on the seat, any bum better than none.

Bum is right..every mouthpiece throwing a la carte demonology out at joe public in the hopes they secure funding for their latest offering to medical history...not so much as a robert bunsen amongst them..socially awkward basement dwellers coming out to wag their fingers at the prom queen who pissed in their debs soup...theyre no dalton, davy or sheele..weaklings loving their day in the sun..no irish man ever put an element on mendelevs table so stick with the swedes...

Tim Robbins

speckle wrote: »

scroll down page for defintion

https://www.asthma.ie/news/severe-asthma-and-cocooning

Ok that's me. Thanks. Great link and well done for HSE for nailing definition.

plodder

Ficheall wrote: »

Fair enough. You said

"We don't because it doesn't matter if the whole country is infected with a dose of the sniffles. The hope is that this virus will be reduced to 'just another coronavirus' "
We don't vaccinate for the common cold coronaviruses and covid isn't just the sniffles, so you'll forgive me misinterpreting your intentions.


The vaccines reduce the R number. The R number still matters. We're just making better inroads into reducing it now thanks to vaccines+various other measures.

Sure, it's the vaccine that is hopefully going to achieve in less than a year, what natural immunity probably takes several years. The existing coronaviruses could well have been much more serious when they emerged first. I've seen some speculation that a 19th century flu pandemic in Asia, might actually have been caused by a coronavirus.

Apart from that though, the R number is a snapshot of the rate of change. It could be less than 1 at 5,000 cases per day or 10 per day, but they didn't specify a target number of cases/day. At least Fergal Bowers didn't mention it on the news this evening. And hopefully, the number of cases per day won't matter that much at the end of it all.

plodder

plodder wrote: »

Sure, it's the vaccine that is hopefully going to achieve in less than a year, what natural immunity probably takes several years. The existing coronaviruses could well have been much more serious when they emerged first. I've seen some speculation that a 19th century flu pandemic in Asia, might actually have been caused by a coronavirus.

Apart from that though, the R number is a snapshot of the rate of change. It could be less than 1 at 5,000 cases per day or 10 per day, but they didn't specify a target number of cases/day. At least Fergal Bowers didn't mention it on the news this evening.

That Flu pandemic was thought to have killed 50-100 million even. Now consider it was thought to have infected 500 million but some say 1 Billion... how shyte does this look!!!! Smallpox killed about 30% of people..god what would the Govt do then!

plodder

rusty cole wrote: »

That Flu pandemic was thought to have killed 50-100 million even. Now consider it was thought to have infected 500 million but some say 1 Billion... how shyte does this look!!!! Smallpox killed about 30% of people..god what would the Govt do then!

This was a different one in 1889, that caused around a million deaths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7252012/

speckle

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Ok that's me. Thanks. Great link and well done for HSE for nailing definition.

Not the hse... only after people with asthma rang and emailed the society who then in turn kept on asking the hse for months who eventually took the uk definition which they had for months before us here...see my posts in earlier threads...good luck if your getting injected.. remember to check with your own doctors/specialists if you have any allergys or previous adverse reactions on your suitability. Bring that information with you and your meds etc.

CruelSummer

plodder wrote: »

Sure, it's the vaccine that is hopefully going to achieve in less than a year, what natural immunity probably takes several years. The existing coronaviruses could well have been much more serious when they emerged first. I've seen some speculation that a 19th century flu pandemic in Asia, might actually have been caused by a coronavirus.

Apart from that though, the R number is a snapshot of the rate of change. It could be less than 1 at 5,000 cases per day or 10 per day, but they didn't specify a target number of cases/day. At least Fergal Bowers didn't mention it on the news this evening. And hopefully, the number of cases per day won't matter that much at the end of it all.

Yes there are scientists who since the emergence of SARS 1 took a retrospective look back at other pandemics. They seem fairly certain that the pandemic of the early 1890’s was a coronavirus that currently does the rounds as a common cold. Went on for 5 years before weakening, according to some reports - spread around the world through shipping routes, trains, etc.

SeaMermaid

rusty cole wrote: »

That Flu pandemic was thought to have killed 50-100 million even. Now consider it was thought to have infected 500 million but some say 1 Billion... how shyte does this look!!!! Smallpox killed about 30% of people..god what would the Govt do then!

Sanitisation was very poor and the poor hygiene and sanitisation encouraged diseases to flourish.

We have better hygiene practices now and covid still spread and killed many.

SilentGreenx32

SeaMermaid wrote: »

Sanitisation was very poor and the poor hygiene and sanitisation encouraged diseases to flourish.

We have better hygiene practices now and covid still spread and killed many.

It was also just after ww1 with a soldiers bringing it back with them while they were already extremely weak from the war. The conditions were on a whole different level compared to now

feelings

Could this lead to a more infectious variant?

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Will be interesting what the UK approach to inbound tourists will be from June 21 onwards, in theory with the bulk of them vaccinated by then it should be a case of come one come all.

D.Q

feelings wrote: »

Could this lead to a more infectious variant?

Almost certainly. The come one come all variant. Very concerning.

mohawk

SeaMermaid wrote: »

Sanitisation was very poor and the poor hygiene and sanitisation encouraged diseases to flourish.

We have better hygiene practices now and covid still spread and killed many.

Viruses need hosts to flourish they are quite different to bacteria such as the ones that cause Cholera ( which is quite happy in conditions of poor sanitation).
The mobility of people was was much more limited then also. There were no commercial flights from South Africa and Brazil to Europe then. Also the roads of major cities weren’t jammed with cars every morning so people could work. Spanish Flu likely wouldn’t of spread as much if it wasn’t for the war.

Judging by the worldwide response we are very lucky Covid19 wasn’t as deadly as the Spanish Flu.

ceadaoin.

SilentGreenx32 wrote: »

It was also just after ww1 with a soldiers bringing it back with them while they were already extremely weak from the war. The conditions were on a whole different level compared to now

Most of the deaths from the Spanish flu were caused by secondary bacterial pneumonia and not the actual virus itself. Antibiotics had not yet been developed so there was no treatment once it had progressed to pneumonia.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic

MrMusician18

dominatinMC wrote: »

This exactly. There appears to be a monumental shifting of the goalposts, in that we now somehow need to eradicate the virus. Also, strains and variants seem to be the new flavour of the month to undermine the vaccines, despite the evidence showing that the vaccines work effectively in preventing serious illness and deaths.

I don't see any shifting of the goalposts. The vaccine takes time to administer and the human body takes further time to develop immunity. April is when we should start seeing vaccine dividends, which, coincidentally is around the time of the next review.

Your swear Martin announced life sentences for the population tonight, the way some posters are going on. Get a grip, there are only a few more hard weeks of this left.

aziz

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Get a grip, there are only a few more hard weeks of this left.

That ****e has been sprouted for nearly a year now

Deeper Blue

What can I say about RTE that hasn't already been said?

What a fúcking disgrace of an organisation.

MrMusician18

aziz wrote: »

That ****e has been sprouted for nearly a year now

No it hasn't, not by anyone with a brain. There was no end in sight until we got vaccines in November and now we have 3, soon to be 4 very effective ones in the West.
By the end of April, 47% of adults will have received their first dose of vaccine in Ireland. Rising to 82% by end of June.

This is is the endgame, within touching distance, yet the way people have been carrying on on this thread you'd think they'd just been given life without parole. Ffs.

aziz

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No it hasn't, not by anyone with a brain. There was no end in sight until we got vaccines in November and now we have 3, soon to be 4 very effective ones in the West.
By the end of April, 47% of adults will have received their first dose of vaccine in Ireland. Rising to 82% by end of June.

This is is the endgame, within touching distance, yet the way people have been carrying on on this thread you'd think they'd just been given life without parole. Ffs.

Your right,clowns like Leo and nphet, “ 3 weeks to flatten the curve “

Tork

aziz wrote: »

Your right,clowns like Leo and nphet, “ 3 weeks to flatten the curve “

Nobody knew what lay ahead of us when this virus reared its ugly head this time last year. No country has got their strategy right and a lot has been learned along the way. I don't agree with everything the government or NPHET has done but to simply shriek that they're clowns and quote something said a year ago makes you sound like you're not seeing the bigger picture.

fits

This thread is gone a bit ... frantic.

I’ve rarely felt as optimistic since last February. Most of us will be vaccinated by the end of June. That’s no distance away!

Just got meself some garden furniture - if we are going to be spending so much time in them may as well be comfortable.