Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Rebelbrowser

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

GP referral data is out. Not much of a drop from Monday. I'm never sure which data point to look at but "Clinically likely Covid" is up about 50% from same day last week. As others have mentioned, this data is based on a survey, and doesn't tell the whole story. But it is something of a guide. Need to see these numbers stabilise and fall again.

https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-24_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

As I mentioned yesterday, anecdotally there are now non covid colds running through childcare / school settings, certainly in Cork, so this could be skewing this data. As I understand it last month covid was the most likely reason for any covid symptoms but not now.

Timmy O Toole

Will be seeing alot more of these stories when 15,000 people are in court for non payment of covid fines

https://twitter.com/SpesScotorum/status/1374669633505087490?s=19

lawred2

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Will be seeing alot more of these stories when 15,000 people are in court for non payment of covid fines

https://twitter.com/SpesScotorum/status/1374669633505087490?s=19

wonder how many "thought we left Europe though" responses there will be to that...

shtpEdthePlum

Somebody said in a tweet that GPs they've seen on twitter are speculating that there'll be 1000+ cases some say this week but I can't find any evidence of it, anyone have any info?

caveat emptor

Wonder which variant they are talking about. The UK one has been here since December. Why the need for targeted local testing? Might be to find the S.A or P.1 variant like the UK did. Would be great if they show the geographic spread of the newer variants as you might be able to see if that's what's driving it. One walk in Tullomore. De Gascon said before Christmas the UK one is only a tiny percentage of cases and a month later said it was 90% of cases so locality matters.

https://twitter.com/merrionstreet/status/1374721365819981825?s=20

KrustyUCC

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

As I mentioned yesterday, anecdotally there are now non covid colds running through childcare / school settings, certainly in Cork, so this could be skewing this data. As I understand it last month covid was the most likely reason for any covid symptoms but not now.

Yeah definitely colds amongst schoolchildren in Cork

Friends daughter got tested on Monday

Thankfully negative

7 in the class tested but all negative

Sofa King Great

The messaging continues to pave the way for very few changes to the current restrictions come April 5th.

Nqp15hhu

137 cases and 0 deaths here in Northern Ireland.

covidrelease

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

137 cases and 0 deaths here in Northern Ireland.

What are the conditions on the ground please?

Obviously restrictions are in place but in reality are there now widescale gatherings in houses, and everybody mixing far and wide?

RebelButtMunch

Sofa King Great wrote: »

The messaging continues to pave the way for very few changes to the current restrictions come April 5th.

God forbid they try and get the most up to date info before making a call

11521323

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

God forbid they try and get the most up to date info before making a call

It's not that, it's the fact they're leaking like an old bucket. It's not the way the leaders of the country should conduct themselves.

covidrelease

11521323 wrote: »

It's not that, it's the fact they're leaking like an old bucket. It's not the way the leaders of the country should conduct themselves.

Agreed. They should have learned by now to stop trying to out do each other with leaking the announcement.

political analyst

Colm McCarthy wrote in last weekend's Sunday Indo that only admission to hospital for treatment prevents younger people from dying of Covid in larger numbers.

He referred to the fear that exists in many continental countries - that hospital capacity is being approached and can't be quickly expanded and treatment may not be available for people who would survive if admitted. He described this fear as the nightmare that was seen in northern Italy during the first wave and believes it was avoided in Ireland last January by a small margin than we imagine.

Everyone becomes vulnerable if the hospitals cannot admit people.

What I have quoted from him doesn't appear to make sense - if you're not vulnerable, infection with SARS-CoV-2 won't cause you to need hospitalisation.

Amirani

political analyst wrote: »

Colm McCarthy wrote in last weekend's Sunday Indo that only admission to hospital for treatment prevents younger people from dying of Covid in larger numbers.

He referred to the fear that exists in many continental countries - that hospital capacity is being approached and can't be quickly expanded and treatment may not be available for people who would survive if admitted. He described this fear as the nightmare that was seen in northern Italy during the first wave and believes it was avoided in Ireland last January by a small margin than we imagine.

What I have quoted from him doesn't appear to make sense - if you're not vulnerable, infection with SARS-CoV-2 won't cause you to need hospitalisation.

Yeah, he's pretty correct. "Vulnerable" to Covid means 2 very different things depending on whether you're talking about population at risk of death versus population at risk of needed hospitalisation (probably at least 10x difference, full order of magnitude).

I know a handful of people who have died because of Covid, but I know quite a lot of people who were briefly hospitalised so they could receive supplementary oxygen etc. They weren't necessarily hugely serious cases, but may have become them if we ran out of hospital capacity.

We thankfully didn't run out of capacity for these sort of cases in January, though we weren't very far away. Expanding capacity to treat these cases though did mean we had to shut down other services (cancer etc.) that will probably have detrimental effects.

ShineOn7

Concerns over strain of Covid detected in Carrick on Suir school

http://tippfm.com/news/coronavirus/concerns-strain-covid-detected-carrick-suir-school/

In an email sent to parents – which has been seen by Tipp FM – the HSE says that the strain detected in Carrick is a variant of concern although they say they are not aware if it’s more dangerous but they are calling on people to take extra measures to stop the further spread.

Despite this, students who have NOT been identified as close contacts, have been deemed safe to return and Tipp FM understands that the majority of students who are deemed close contacts to the confirmed cases are expected to receive their first Covid test tomorrow.

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TheDoctor

ShineOn7 wrote: »

http://tippfm.com/news/coronavirus/concerns-strain-covid-detected-carrick-suir-school/


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Schools getting hit hard with Community Transmission

ShineOn7

TheDoctor wrote: »

Schools getting hit hard with Community Transmission

Crazy eh?

Those pesky School household outbreaks

Eod100

Last point is interesting.

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1374733530715070470

Timmy O Toole

Amirani wrote: »

Yeah, he's pretty correct. "Vulnerable" to Covid means 2 very different things depending on whether you're talking about population at risk of death versus population at risk of needed hospitalisation (probably at least 10x difference, full order of magnitude).

I know a handful of people who have died because of Covid, but I know quite a lot of people who were briefly hospitalised so they could receive supplementary oxygen etc. They weren't necessarily hugely serious cases, but may have become them if we ran out of hospital capacity.

We thankfully didn't run out of capacity for these sort of cases in January, though we weren't very far away. Expanding capacity to treat these cases though did mean we had to shut down other services (cancer etc.) that will probably have detrimental effects.

You personally know 4 or 5 people who have died from Covid and you also know 'a lot of people who have been hospitalised due to covid.. aha you must have giggled typing that.

gozunda

Looks like the NI vaccine loophole to be closed

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0323/1205728-northern-ireland-vaccinations/

Jim_Hodge

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

You personally know 4 or 5 people who have died from Covid and you also know 'a lot of people who have been hospitalised due to covid.. aha you must have giggled typing that.

Not that strange. I know 4 who died and at least 5 who were hospitalised (2 in ICU for over a month).

celt262

gozunda wrote: »

Looks like the NI vaccine loophole to be closed

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0323/1205728-northern-ireland-vaccinations/

RTE are slow on the ball or just re dating articles because i read that yesterday or the day before.

political analyst

ShineOn7 wrote: »

http://tippfm.com/news/coronavirus/concerns-strain-covid-detected-carrick-suir-school/






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If the closure of schools had been effective it would've meant the end of this lockdown by the middle of last month at the latest. However, after 2 months of that closure, most businesses are still not being allowed to re-open. For pupils whose parents' businesses are in jeopardy, exams are probably the least of their concerns.

gozunda

celt262 wrote: »

RTE are slow on the ball or just re dating articles because i read that yesterday or the day before.

Did you post about it? haven't seen it being discussed here anyway.

covidrelease

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Not that strange. I know 4 who died and at least 5 who were hospitalised (2 in ICU for over a month).

Were the 4 who died all old and ill anyway or were they young and healthy with no medical conditions of note?

I know three really old people, 2 terminally ill with cancer, the other with a lot of issues and got covid in hospital, they all died.

I know another 78 yo who died who was reasonably healthy for his age.

Of those 4 I would say 1, at best, died of covid.

fits

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah definitely colds amongst schoolchildren in Cork

Friends daughter got tested on Monday

Thankfully negative

7 in the class tested but all negative

We have had it too. Very short headcolds with the 4yos. Husband got it too and tested - not detected.

Jim_Hodge

covidrelease wrote: »

Were the 4 who died all old and ill anyway or were they young and healthy with no medical conditions of note?

I know three really old people, 2 terminally ill with cancer, the other with a lot of issues and got covid in hospital, they all died.

I know another 78 yo who died who was reasonably healthy for his age.

Of those 4 I would say 1, at best, died of covid.

"Old" becomes subjective as we age ourselves (I'm a young 62 year old)

They ranged from 83 (with health issues) to 56 with no issues. Three of them were living full and active lives until they contracted Covid.

celt262

gozunda wrote: »

Did you post about it? haven't seen it being discussed here anyway.

I think it was here that i see it cant be sure though.

eagle eye

Timmy O Toole wrote:

You personally know 4 or 5 people who have died from Covid and you also know 'a lot of people who have been hospitalised due to covid.. aha you must have giggled typing that.

I don't know anybody that died but I know more than ten people who have been in hospital with covid, three of them in ICU. Two of those that were in ICU were close the the 50 mark, one with only Asthma the other with no.underlying conditions. One of them has long covid now, on oxygen all the time, I haven't heard anything from the other guy since he got out if hospital five weeks ago but he's not back at work and he's an essential worker.
I live in a small town in rural Ireland but some of those who've had it live in different areas. Guy with long covid lives in Waterford. Another lives in Cork city but the majority are local.

fits

Two locals here in early sixties - both living full and active lives were in ICU for months but didn’t make it. Another in his thirties caught it last April was in ICU but survived. He’s still in rehab hospital as far as I know.

Amirani

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

You personally know 4 or 5 people who have died from Covid and you also know 'a lot of people who have been hospitalised due to covid.. aha you must have giggled typing that.

Given both my partner and myself have worked in healthcare throughout the pandemic, and up to a third of cases were healthcare workers at certain points, it's not particularly surprising or "giggly", but glad you enjoyed it.

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Last point is interesting.

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1374733530715070470

Anyone know the rationale for not being able to have symptoms to do the walk up tests? Is it about trying to pick up asymptomatic cases only or managing how many people are able to get one?

Multipass

I have 3 elderly relatives who have had it, one with serious underlying issues including COPD and cancer. All were only slightly ill, as were 2 adult children, their partners and their combined 5 children.

iamwhoiam

Amirani wrote: »

Given both my partner and myself have worked in healthcare throughout the pandemic, and up to a third of cases were healthcare workers at certain points, it's not particularly surprising or "giggly", but glad you enjoyed it.

Just a big Thank you both from me and my family . I really hope you both get a break soon .

CIARAN_BOYLE

Eod100 wrote: »

Anyone know the rationale for not being able to have symptoms to do the walk up tests? Is it about trying to pick up asymptomatic cases only or managing how many people are able to get one?

If you have symptoms they want you under care from your doctor.

If you don't have a doctor you need to get one.

Not show up at a test centre and self treat.

gozunda

covidrelease wrote: »

Were the 4 who died all old and ill anyway or were they young and healthy with no medical conditions of note?

I know three really old people, 2 terminally ill with cancer, the other with a lot of issues and got covid in hospital, they all died.

I know another 78 yo who died who was reasonably healthy for his age.

Of those 4 I would say 1, at best, died of covid.

I know someone who had a long term heart condition and who sadly died in a car accident. Are you suggesting that the stated reason for their death on the certificate should have been heart disease rather than accidental death?

Afaik Irish death certificates require the coroner to record the certified cause of death and / or duration of the illness directly responsible .

Someone may be ill - but that might not be what kills them.

covidrelease

gozunda wrote: »

I know someone who had a long term heart condition and who sadly died in a car accident. Are you suggesting that the stated reason for their death on the certificate should have been heart disease rather than accidental death?

Afaik Irish death certificates require the coroner to record the certified cause of death and / or duration of the illness directly responsible .

Someone may be ill - but that might not be what kills them.

You are comparing apples and oranges there.

The point is these people were very ill, and covid merely shortened the inevitable.

Of the 4 I know I would say 2 by 6 months, 1 by a year at best and the last one well yes he died because of he caught covid.

Lucas Hood

694 positive swabs, 3.47% positivity on 19,979 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.9%.

- Wednesday, March 24th 2021
#COVID19Ireland

Good positivity rate.

Amirani

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Just a big Thank you both from me and my family . I really hope you both get a break soon .

Cheers! Most of the credit is with her, she's a doctor and very much frontline in A&E. Most of the people we know who've gotten sick are her colleagues, including 1 of the doctors working in the Mater who died). I've been non-frontline and WFH.

That said, she's been fully vaccinated for a while now and I'm gonna be waiting for months yet, so swings and roundabouts... :pac:

MerlinSouthDub

Lucas Hood wrote: »

694 positive swabs, 3.47% positivity on 19,979 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.9%.

- Wednesday, March 24th 2021
#COVID19Ireland

Good positivity rate.

I was expecting worse numbers. Yeah, it's not great, but there has been a big increase in referrals (up 40% per Paul Reid) and only a modest increase in cases.

eagle eye

MerlinSouthDub wrote:

I was expecting worse numbers. Yeah, it's not great, but there has been a big increase in referrals (up 40% per Paul Reid) and only a modest increase in cases.

A big increase in referrals is a concern.

stephenjmcd

Lucas Hood wrote: »

694 positive swabs, 3.47% positivity on 19,979 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.9%.

- Wednesday, March 24th 2021
#COVID19Ireland

Good positivity rate.

Very good, 5k more tests than last week resulting in only 21 more positive swabs.

namloc1980

covidrelease wrote: »

You are comparing apples and oranges there.

The point is these people were very ill, and covid merely shortened the inevitable.

Of the 4 I know I would say 2 by 6 months, 1 by a year at best and the last one well yes he died because of he caught covid.

So you agree that they all died when they did because of Covid.

stephenjmcd

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I was expecting worse numbers. Yeah, it's not great, but there has been a big increase in referrals (up 40% per Paul Reid) and only a modest increase in cases.

Can be as big an increase in referrals as they want if it isn't giving out larger number of positives. 5k more tests than this day last week giving just 21 more positives.

Test more find more, root it out

CIARAN_BOYLE

Lucas Hood wrote: »

694 positive swabs, 3.47% positivity on 19,979 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.9%.

- Wednesday, March 24th 2021
#COVID19Ireland

Good positivity rate.

Almost 20,000 tests. I wonder what testing capacity is at now. It was around 25k tests in January.

Wolf359f

Lucas Hood wrote: »

694 positive swabs, 3.47% positivity on 19,979 tests.
7 day test positivity is 3.9%.

- Wednesday, March 24th 2021
#COVID19Ireland

Good positivity rate.

I was expecting worse based on the GP data.
7 Days average of swabs:
24/03: 590
17/03: 543
10/03: 515
03/03: 644

pauldry

Yesterday had 150 more swabs than cases so could be the guts of 700 cases today.

ShineOn7

stephenjmcd wrote: »

5k more tests than this day last week giving just 21 more positives

I very much like this stat

Still though, June/July can't come soon enough

Benimar

Tomorrow is an important day I feel. Some of Monday’s referrals may be tested Tuesday. Results got today, which are the numbers reported tomorrow.

Hopefully people heeded the early warning on the 11th and have pulled back a bit. Might stop the increase.

gozunda

covidrelease wrote: »

You are comparing apples and oranges there.

The point is these people were very ill, and covid merely shortened the inevitable.

Of the 4 I know I would say 2 by 6 months, 1 by a year at best and the last one well yes he died because of he caught covid.

Nope. In the example given- the point is the persons illness didn't kill them .

The person who I referred to would have been deemed " ill" compared to someone without his condition. Yet he died as a result of a car accident and his condition was not indicated in the cause of death in anyway

Did the car accident "merely shorten the inevitable"?