Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

NeuralNetwork

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

Or maybe we already had our peak.

Perhaps, but I’m just wondering what’s going on in Donegal relative to Cork & Kerry.

Either there’s some odd cluster or there’s a lot of flouting of guidelines.

timmyntc

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Perhaps, but I’m just wondering what’s going on in Donegal relative to Cork & Kerry.

Either there’s some odd cluster or there’s a lot of flouting of guidelines.

Several schools in Donegal have closed with outbreaks.

Also lots of house parties from bored 20 somethings, since all sports etc are suspended.

Nqp15hhu

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Perhaps, but I’m just wondering what’s going on in Donegal relative to Cork & Kerry.

Either there’s some odd cluster or there’s a lot of flouting of guidelines.

They’ve all been driving over here so not following the guidelines.

11521323

MrMusician18 wrote: »

So the argument goes that restrictions were relaxed at Christmas which a huge number of people took the absolute piss with and you're telling me that people won't do the exact same again if restrictions are relaxed again?

If people could be trusted to not take the piss, then they could be eased. The simple truth is, they can't.

How to gain trust and public buy-in:

Step 1: Treat the population like mentally deficient children

Sounds like you've cracked the code my man.

Theboinkmaster

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Perhaps, but I’m just wondering what’s going on in Donegal relative to Cork & Kerry.

Either there’s some odd cluster or there’s a lot of flouting of guidelines.

Having spent a lot of weekends up in Donegal years ago, and at a complete guess, I think it's people socialising indoors. House parties, pub lock ins etc.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

So the argument goes that restrictions were relaxed at Christmas which a huge number of people took the absolute piss with and you're telling me that people won't do the exact same again if restrictions are relaxed again?

If people could be trusted to not take the piss, then they could be eased. The simple truth is, they can't.

you're expecting way to much from people, they are only people. It's a greyhounds nature to run after a hare when the traps come up. It's in our nature to socialize so we can procreate and thrive. why are you saying people will take the piss for doing what comes 100% natural to them. Do you realize what it takes to prevent any organism from doing what comes naturally and thus the negative affect it has on them?.. I know you might mean eejits going way over and being..well eeejits but again when you cover a boiling kettle, expect lots of steam waiting to gush out..again, it's only biology and physics..

11521323

rusty cole wrote: »

you're expecting way to much from people, they are only people. It's a greyhounds nature to run after a hare when the traps come up. It's in our nature to socialize so we can procreate and thrive. why are you saying people will take the piss for doing what comes 100% natural to them. Do you realize what it takes to prevent any organism from doing what comes naturally and thus the negative affect it has on them?.. I know you might mean eejits going way over and being..well eeejits but again when you cover a boiling kettle, expect lots of steam waiting to gush out..again, it's only biology and physics..

Yeah the binary lens that some people view people's actions though is baffling. That sort of mindset might be logical if this was March 2020 and people refused to follow the guidelines but it doesn't work 12 months later.

jj880

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Having spent a lot of weekends up in Donegal years ago, and at a complete guess, I think it's people socialising indoors. House parties, pub lock ins etc.

I live in Donegal. In my area over the weekend it was party central. Add to that people are just visiting friends/relatives with their kids as normal. There were lock ins last Summer but havent heard of any recently.

NeuralNetwork

Well yeah I think people are possibly being unrealistic about what’s achievable socially. There’s a frustration limit and also a reality to what can actually be enforced. Most of it is about buy in in a liberal democracy. When that melts you get the outbreaks.

The only viable solution out of this is technical: vaccines and treatments.

normanoffside

manutd wrote: »

Micheal Martin in a Live sit down indoor interview telling people do not meet indoors.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1373986470051119105

And he says it from an indoor Radio Studio

Nermal

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If people could be trusted to not take the piss, then they could be eased.

If people choose to 'take the piss', who exactly are you to tell them not to do so?

Before you tell me you're in the majority: of course people support restrictions in surveys, polls and in the news. Ask someone their opinion, and they'll tell you what they think they're supposed to say.

Actions, not words, reveal true preferences. Lift the restrictions, and we'll see who's really in the majority.

Nqp15hhu

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

Only 87 cases in Northern Ireland today. The vaccine is clearly working.

Not at all.

NI is still in a lockdown.

There schools only went back last week whilst ours went back 3 weeks ago.

Come back to me in 2 weeks with the NI figures.

Nqp15hhu

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not at all.

NI is still in a lockdown.

There schools only went back last week whilst ours went back 3 weeks ago.

Come back to me in 2 weeks with the NI figures.

You can hardly say that. Only 12% of your population has been vaccinated.

MrMusician18

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Well yeah I think people are possibly being unrealistic about what’s achievable socially. There’s a frustration limit and also a reality to what can actually be enforced. Most of it is about buy in in a liberal democracy. When that melts you get the outbreaks.

The only viable solution out of this is technical: vaccines and treatments.

This is correct, vaccines are the only way out of this since achieving collective action like a prolonged lockdown in a liberal democracy is harder than herding cats.

That doesn't excuse people's personal behaviour though. It can be both true that these measures are hard to do at a societal level and the reason for this is because of behaviour at the individual level.

Nqp15hhu

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

You can hardly say that. Only 12% of your population has been vaccinated.

And you cant say vaccines work untill you open up and try the real test.

Like I said, come back in 2 weeks and lets see what the figures are with schools reopening.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

And he says it from an indoor Radio Studio

I saw 5 minutes of the late late show last Friday and yer man Mario "nowinstock"
was shouting and there was two occasions were you could noticeably see spit flying everywhere!!! FFS..

while I'm saying it, these shows are not essential either..how is lamenting woe is me of a Friday, essential industry??? for any of them..they should be on PUP with the 6.01 news at best being allowed.

Renault 5

From MM

I’m saying that for between now and the 5th of April, we will come forward with a plan

MrMusician18

Nermal wrote: »

If people choose to 'take the piss', who exactly are you to tell them not to do so?

Before you tell me you're in the majority: of course people support restrictions in surveys, polls and in the news. Ask someone their opinion, and they'll tell you what they think they're supposed to say.

Actions, not words, reveal true preferences. Lift the restrictions, and we'll see who's really in the majority.

It is in everyone's interest for the piss not to be taken. We wouldn't be where we are if people did as they were asked. Seemingly that was too much.

I'd like to be able to travel, go to pubs and restaurants and most of all I'd like to be with my wife when she attends hospital, but no, that can't happen because too many people do as they please.

11521323

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This is correct, vaccines are the only way out of this since achieving collective action like a prolonged lockdown in a liberal democracy is harder than herding cats.

That doesn't excuse people's personal behaviour though. It can be both true that these measures are hard to do at a societal level and the reason for this is because of behaviour at the individual level.

Can I ask you a serious question?

Do you expect the vast majority of human beings to adhere to restrictions perpetually and indefinitely, bearing in mind they have been for 12 months already?

If your answer is yes, then you quite literally have no concept of human emotion and it just shows how uneducated you are in that arena. People cannot indefinitely put their life on hold for a virus that they perceive to be of absolutely no danger to them, to think they can shows a real misunderstanding of psychology.

Icyseanfitz

Renault 5 wrote: »

From MM

His track record so far would leave one doubting that

SheepsClothing

Nermal wrote: »

If people choose to 'take the piss', who exactly are you to tell them not to do so?

Before you tell me you're in the majority: of course people support restrictions in surveys, polls and in the news. Ask someone their opinion, and they'll tell you what they think they're supposed to say.

Actions, not words, reveal true preferences. Lift the restrictions, and we'll see who's really in the majority.

So what you're saying is if we lift restrictions, people will go on a mad one? I agree. That's why we can't lift them to any significant degree at the moment.

Parachutes

The amount of cognitive dissonance regarding social distancing is just mad. Let’s put plastic over the card machine but not change the plastic for days? Loads of other examples like this.

Tyrone212

One thing about NI is that they hardly test. For months their positivity rate was above 20%.

Today is there lowest amount of cases in 6 months with 87 however its 87 from 1,010 tests. Positivity still almost 9% which is deemed very high by any international metric.

11521323

SheepsClothing wrote: »

So what you're saying is if we lift restrictions, people will go on a mad one? I agree. That's why we can't lift them to any significant degree at the moment.

If the Government inspired an ounce of hope, then people might not feel the need to go on a mad one. Again, the lack of any basic understanding of human psychology here is baffling. I'm half-convinced there are other species' contributing to this thread.

blade1

batman_oh wrote: »

Surely it's because the people here just can't follow the rules. It's a simple request to follow the longest set of restrictions/business closures in the western world by far :pac:
Those jammy feckers up there haven't even been forced to stay within 5km with checkpoints handing out fines like we have here. And now they are going to be out of it miles ahead of us. It's a far cry from the narrative a few months back where the North was a laughing stock for some

Heard people in Italy are restricted to 200 meters travel.

Imagine that :eek:

ArthurDayne

Deleted User wrote: »

Not at all.

NI is still in a lockdown.

There schools only went back last week whilst ours went back 3 weeks ago.

Come back to me in 2 weeks with the NI figures.

The North has now reached the 50+ age group in its first dose vaccination programme. Of the 9,113 people admitted to hospital with Covid there, 7,613 have been over the age of 50 (so around 83%). So right now, they are quite efficiently hammering the vaccine into the group which accounts for 83% of all their Covid hospitalisations. In that regard, the absolutely inevitable rise in case numbers that will come from schools going back will not be the key figure — it will be hospitalisations.

We need to move away from the case number narrative because it is being used as a tool to lambast the Irish people, of whom very little more can be asked. We must look at hospitalisations because hospitalisations are the key indication of the success of the vaccination programme — or indeed its failures — and that way we can hold the Irish government and the supranational EU administration responsible for these failures instead of letting them tap the case numbers chart and tell us to blame eachother.

SheepsClothing

11521323 wrote: »

If the Government inspired an ounce of hope, then people might not feel the need to go on a mad one. Again, the lack of any basic understanding of human psychology here is baffling. I'm half-convinced there are other species' contributing to this thread.

I think Government communications have been terrible, but until we reach a tipping point at which vaccination impact is killing the virus' ability to spread, we need to keep some restrictions in place. Things are ****e at the moment, but by the start of July we will be most of the way out of this. Every house party in the meantime just delays the lifting of restrictions for everyone.

11521323

SheepsClothing wrote: »

I think Government communications have been terrible, but until we reach a tipping point at which vaccination impact is killing the virus' ability to spread, we need to keep some restrictions in place. Things are ****e at the moment, but by the start of July we will be most of the way out of this. Every house party in the meantime just delays the lifting of restrictions for everyone.

Here's an analogy or two that might hammer home why this line of thinking doesn't work in the reality we're faced with.

People will listen to a dietitian when they put them on a diet for a specific period because they know they'll lose weight and despite it being unenjoyable, it's a finite experience. They know it will end and so are willing to put effort in for a given period. If the dietitian told them they may still be fat at the end of the diet and that they had no idea how long it would take for them to lose weight, do you think the adherence to a diet will be the same? Absolutely not.

Another analogy is students studying for exams. It's finite with an end-date. If students were told their exam is sometime in the future but without any indication when, are they going to study as hard? Absolutely not.

These are very easy pieces of psychology to understand but you and others on here seem to demonstrate a prepubescent understanding of it.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It is in everyone's interest for the piss not to be taken. We wouldn't be where we are if people did as they were asked. Seemingly that was too much.

I'd like to be able to travel, go to pubs and restaurants and most of all I'd like to be with my wife when she attends hospital, but no, that can't happen because too many people do as they please.

I have to say, since day one, bad as they can be, I've never blamed one other person for the restrictions, nobody.. you'll be in your house not accompanying you're wife for a long time if you think this will be over soon. We have no idea what a person is dealing with at home, We have no idea what a trip to St Annes for example , will do for them. This, it's all their fault for not getting in line, will only serve to freak you out. It's not their fault, I mean did you know if a teenager drives a car, he/she stands a 400% chance of being in a crash, if there's another teen in the car with him. Teenagers are more attracted to and affected by alcohol, Teenager's and indeed young people into their mid 20's are actually drawn to risk by nature and their brains are not wired fully until 28-ish!
So tell me, if that's the Nature of one Demographic...how do you or anyone in Bristol (youngsters rioting the weekend) for example intend to undo all of natures hard work...

you should go with your wife..I hope she's ok on a personal note.

Renault 5

11521323 wrote: »

If the Government inspired an ounce of hope, then people might not feel the need to go on a mad one. Again, the lack of any basic understanding of human psychology here is baffling. I'm half-convinced there are other species' contributing to this thread.

Its not just people going on a mad one.

A - Opening the schools

B - Kids and teens mingling

C - People meeting up indoors

Its easiest to use C as the scapegoat