Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Eod100

Wombatman wrote: »

The mad thing about different passengers being treated differently, is that they all have been sitting together, in the same small space, for the last couple of hours!

Yup

Charles Babbage

Wombatman wrote: »

The mad thing about different passengers being treated differently, is that they all have been sitting together, in the same small space, for the last couple of hours!

However, are passengers not also required to have a test before a flight?

cameramonkey

Charles Babbage wrote: »

However, are passengers not also required to have a test before a flight?

They are but it may be that some may be infected and not be producing enough viral load to test positive when they are tested. They could be infections the next day. There have been some cases recently that have been as a result of travel from overseas so the requirement to have a test does not stop all travel related transmission. That is why we need everyone to be quarantined.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

I underage massive concern people have that cases have surged after schools return from a 7 day average the day before they went back of 648 to a massive 543 yesterday. Shocking.

Also the stat that primary schools kids, who make up more than 10% of the population now have 10% of cases, at a time when most other age groups have no reason to meet in groups at all.

You might be right. Belgium trying to be a bit more cautious as their PM is calling out the role in infections. It's not like NPHet were saying it's nothing to worry about.

https://twitter.com/DGBassani/status/1373380750356135941?s=20

It's hard to spot the start of exponential growth as we all know at this stage.

covidrelease

LillyIsland wrote: »

“Nearly a year after California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered the nation’s first statewide shutdown because of the coronavirus, masks remain mandated, indoor dining and other activities are significantly limited, and Disneyland remains closed.
By contrast, Florida has no statewide restrictions. Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis has prohibited municipalities from fining people who refuse to wear masks. And Disney World has been open since July.
Despite their differing approaches, California and Florida have experienced almost identical outcomes in COVID-19 case rates.”


https://apnews.com/article/public-health-health-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-ron-desantis-889df3826d4da96447b329f524c33047?fbclid=IwAR3K8pVYMoKDzawm4kfvBNzx7G0LmyAtrLf2RdgxgkpypL1_scIqZCQ3-Ho

No need of level 5 lockdown here, its effectively being ignored anyway, let people do as they please outdoors, maximum of 20 people in gatherings at the start and see what happens.

Draconian punishment for indoor breaches though.

People need to start seeing through the RTE led negative narrative.

igCorcaigh

Eh?

https://twitter.com/BarbaraMSmyth/status/1374356387766079489?s=19

Amirani

funnydoggy wrote: »

Cancer services will not fully resume until year-end under HSE's pandemic plan

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

"BUT OUR HEALTH SERVICE WAS NOT OVERRUN AND WE COPED FINE WITH 8000 CASES A DAY, OPEN EVERYTHING UP"

political analyst

Given that the Health Act is from 1947 - the era of polio, cholera, TB etc - how is the imposition of the current restrictions proportionate?

Even with the new variants of SARS-CoV-2, this virus is still, overall, much less likely to cause potentially fatal symptoms than polio or cholera or TB or smallpox.

Furthermore, what is the point of continuing with lockdown when it doesn't work?

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1374360037473275906

Timmy O Toole

Amazing positivity rate today. How do all those people who lost their sht Sunday feel now

Amirani

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1374360037473275906

Good positivity rate again. Positive swabs seem to be very stagnant at ~500, but don't appear to be worsening much anyway.

Eod100

political analyst wrote: »

Furthermore, what is the point of continuing with lockdown when it doesn't work?

That's a fairly blanket statement. What do you mean exactly?

political analyst

Eod100 wrote: »

That's a fairly blanket statement. What do you mean exactly?

I meant that the lockdown has failed to bring down the numbers of Covid cases that have required hospitalisation, especially those cases in ICU.

These restrictions are like banning people from having sex during an epidemic of HIV or of some other sexually-transmitted infection.

Furthermore, the lockdown is comparable to the prohibition of alcohol in the US in the 1920s - we know how that turned out!

Benimar

Hopefully some 'noise' still in the swabs from Paddys Day. Total Swabs for yesterday and today were 1,020 v 722 for the same 2 days last week.

ek motor

Benimar wrote: »

Hopefully some 'noise' still in the swabs from Paddys Day. Total Swabs for yesterday and today were 1,020 v 722 for the same 2 days last week.

Looks like stagnation at best, slowly increasing at worst

Eod100

political analyst wrote: »

I meant that the lockdown has failed to bring down the numbers of Covid cases that have required hospitalisation, especially those cases in ICU.

These restrictions are like banning people from having sex during an epidemic of HIV or of some other sexually-transmitted infection.

Furthermore, the lockdown is comparable to the prohibition of alcohol in the US in the 1920s - we know how that turned out!

Those cases would be inevitably higher if there weren't restrictions though. No idea what you mean about the last bit tbh.

covidrelease

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Amazing positivity rate today. How do all those people who lost their sht Sunday feel now

I wouldn't be reading too much into a few days numbers.

Theboinkmaster

All this narrative around "surge" and cases increasing - media hysteria....

At worst we've stagnated.

covidrelease

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

All this narrative around "surge" and cases increasing - media hysteria....

At worst we've stagnated.

Thats not great considering increased mixing and a plan to ease restrictions and allow even more mixing.

Hopefully the vaccine rollout outruns it at this stage, between vaccinated and those who already had it could we be at 25% immunity now?

MerlinSouthDub

Benimar wrote: »

Hopefully some 'noise' still in the swabs from Paddys Day. Total Swabs for yesterday and today were 1,020 v 722 for the same 2 days last week.

32% more tests compared to same day last week. Likely some carry over from Paddy's Day.

Theboinkmaster

covidrelease wrote: »

Thats not great considering increased mixing and a plan to ease restrictions and allow even more mixing.

Hopefully the vaccine rollout outruns it at this stage, between vaccinated and those who already had it could we be at 25% immunity now?

Why isn't 500 cases a day not great? what's the magic no?

Once hospital admissions are not declining i think it is great, especially if we keep it at that level with schools back.

500 cases a day with 300 in hospital and nothing increasing is enough for level 3 IMO.

Wolf359f

Benimar wrote: »

Hopefully some 'noise' still in the swabs from Paddys Day. Total Swabs for yesterday and today were 1,020 v 722 for the same 2 days last week.

Past 7 days rolling average of swabs:
23/3: 587
16/3: 533
9/2: 524
2/3: 643

It's very easy to dismiss a 9% weekly increase as a blip, but as caveat emptor shows, by the time you accept it's not a blip, your're up **** creek!

covidrelease

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Why isn't 500 cases a day not great? what's the magic no?

Once hospital admissions are not declining i think it is great, especially if we keep it at that level with schools back.

500 cases a day with 300 in hospital and nothing increasing is enough for level 3 IMO.

Its not great because NPHET were hoping for 100-300 a day by now, I agree level 3 outdoor pubs and restaurants open is where we should be for April, but NPHET and Martins "slow and cautious" mantra means not much will happen.

political analyst

Eod100 wrote: »

Those cases would be inevitably higher if there weren't restrictions though. No idea what you mean about the last bit tbh.

I meant that many people are still having gatherings among themselves at each other's homes. Restricting people's socialising is like banning the consumption of alcohol in the US in the 1920s - it doesn't work!

Rebelbrowser

covidrelease wrote: »

No need of level 5 lockdown here, its effectively being ignored anyway, .

I would say 90% of people I talk to are 95%+ compliant.

ek motor

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

I would say 90% of people I talk to are 95%+ compliant.

That's an incredible statistic. I would say of the people I know the inverse is true.

big syke

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

I would say 90% of people I talk to are 95%+ compliant.

What 5% of the restrictions do they not follow?

For me 75% ish i know adhere to everthing that is forced upon them i.e. non essentialshops, sports, gym, football etc etc and in general ignore stuff not forced upon them the not meeting outside, staying at home except for essential purposes, 5km to a point.

About 25%+ get haircuts, nails and the likes on the "black market".

Noone i know is adhering 100%. Not saying it is widespread but just from my own friends, family, work colleagues even my 99 year old grandmother.

Other friends/family have similar experiences with their own family, work friends etc

daydorunrun

Caught the tail end of a radio segment yesterday talking about RTE profits (was not on an RTE station!) 2020 was the first year in many years that RTE turned a profit. This was helped significantly by increased advertising revenue due to higher viewing figures shows like Prime Time and CB live.
There will be some in Montrose sad when this is all over!

covidrelease

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

I would say 90% of people I talk to are 95%+ compliant.

I find that hard to believe at this point, its generally gone out the window, to various degrees.

Cluedo Monopoly

big syke wrote: »

What 5% of the restrictions do they not follow?

For me most people i know adhere to everthing that is forced upon them i.e. non essentialshops, sports, gym etc etc and in general ignore the not meeting outside, staying at home except for essential purposes, 5km to a point.

About 25%+ get haircuts, nails and the likes.

Many people I know are going well beyond their 5km for exercise - walks, hikes, cycles, swims etc. I have no problem with that.

I even know one person that says he is going for a Covid test when stopped by Gardai

I drive across Galway county once a week to shop for an elderly relative (2 hour round trip). In the past year I have been stopped 5 times at checkpoints. Twice in 2020 and 3 times on one January day when the Gardai were doing a visible blitz. Not one checkpoint since.