Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

fits

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Level 5 restrictions ? If so you are incorrect

Never said level 5. I’m not NPHET. But if you think a free for all for < 65s is right way to go about things you’d be wrong.

Plumbthedepths

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You know the justification,

No I don't as I don't believe justification exists for many of the present restrictions. Let's leave it there because I have no interest in a back and forth with you.

Benimar

Wolf359f wrote: »

Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
Despite week on week reductions.
I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.

590 versus 731

A good drop, so hopefully schools and the 'geniuses' in Dublin and Limerick don't slow the progress.

marno21

We are going down a dangerous road here is this level of “leadership” continues.

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1367852789422989319?s=21

Rambling Man

Wolf359f wrote: »

Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
Despite week on week reductions.
I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.

Statistically it is improving alright, just seems to be going on forever.

MerlinSouthDub

Wolf359f wrote: »

Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
Despite week on week reductions.
I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.

7 day average is 19% lower than 7 days ago. The previous 2 weeks it only fell by about 12%. significantly better progress this week.

iamwhoiam

fits wrote: »

If this is allowed to run out of control in <65s the hospitals will still be full.

No one mentioned a free for all , but some restrictions have to be lifted because there are many people now struggling to pay rent and mortages .People need hospital appointments , need to get shoes for the children and clothes for their children .I struggled yesterday to find wellies for my grandchild for example .

muddypuppy

marno21 wrote: »

We are going down a dangerous road here is this level of “leadership” continues.

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1367852789422989319?s=21

The headline sounds bad, but the article itself is not too negative, especially the direct quotes. They can't guarantee that construction will reopen, of course, since everything could happen between here and the 5th of April. We could have massive outbreaks, we could have a meteor hit Dublin, who knows.
But he says that it's likely that construction will reopen (a phased reopening) and that's it's the priority right after schools.

While Taoiseach Micheál Martin has targeted April 5 for the return of the building sector, Mr O’Brien conceded on Friday that he cannot guarantee that.


Speaking at the launch of a new 430 million euro Urban Regeneration and Development Fund for Dublin, he told reporters: “There are no guarantees, I can’t give that.

“We understand the importance of getting the sector back open, but when it’s safe to do so.

“If you look at the trends right now, thankfully hospitalisation is reducing, the numbers in ICU are reducing, the positivity rate is reduced.

“But we can only make that decision when we come closer to the date, to be honest with you.

“I’m not going to speculate one way or the other, only to say that it is a priority for me and for Government.”

However, a Department of Housing source said they are hopeful of a phased return next month, with home-building to resume first.

fits

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No one mentioned a free for all , but some restrictions have to be lifted because there are many people now struggling to pay rent and mortages .People need hospital appointments , need to get shoes for the children and clothes for their children .I struggled yesterday to find wellies for my grandchild for example .

Well we can agree on that alright. I’m out of work as well. But if we have high levels of covid the economy will suffer. The only way forwards is suppression.

Although our medical appointments seem to be going along fine.

Plumbthedepths

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No one mentioned a free for all , but some restrictions have to be lifted because there are many people now struggling to pay rent and mortages .People need hospital appointments , need to get shoes for the children and clothes for their children .I struggled yesterday to find wellies for my grandchild for example .

Isn't it strange to see someone so concerned about their perception of selfishness in others that they are blinded to their own. Restrictions till i' m vaccinated indeed.

Wolf359f

Rambling Man wrote: »

Statistically it is improving alright, just seems to be going on forever.

Swabs have been bumpy, people forget the low days but freak out with the high days! Certainly a rollercoaster!

Tyrone212

The Government has set a target of 84,166 Covid vaccines to be administered next week.

As part of a daily briefing to ministers on the vaccine roll-out from the Department of Health, Cabinet members were told this morning that this will include:
- 11,500 for those in long term residential care, including 500 first doses
- 25,666 frontline health workers
- 37,000 people aged over 70 (with the 80-84 cohort next)
- 10,000 with underlying health conditions.

fits

fits wrote: »

Well we can agree on that alright. I’m out of work as well. But if we have high levels of covid the economy will suffer. The only way forwards is suppression.

Although our medical appointments seem to be going along fine.

As for all those procedures pushed back months?

pauldry

Surely 2021 cases are going to set a new pb next Monday or Tuesday

Tyrone212

Vaccinating 10,000 with underlying conditions next week. Does that mean they'll start that group at age 69 and work downward?

timmyntc

fits wrote: »

Well we can agree on that alright. I’m out of work as well. But if we have high levels of covid the economy will suffer. The only way forwards is suppression.

Although our medical appointments seem to be going along fine.

If we have high levels of restrictions the economy will suffer. it is suffering already.

Suppression is not the way forward, vaccination and relaxing restrictions is the way forward. Your own cowardice about catching covid should not dictate our policy. After all, its about "the greater good"

SeaMermaid

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No one mentioned a free for all , but some restrictions have to be lifted because there are many people now struggling to pay rent and mortages .People need hospital appointments , need to get shoes for the children and clothes for their children .I struggled yesterday to find wellies for my grandchild for example .

Level 5 is 5hit and we can't stay here forever in level 5 but also opening up from an average daily case number of approx 500, will see cases rise again and more infections.

Something that could work would be regional lockdowns. Ireland could perhaps open to a level 3 with retail and outdoor hospitality and some other easing too like golf or hairdressings. Lift the 5km but allow travel within ones county unless for work reasons. If county cases rise or large clusters or outbreaks occur in a county, lock it down to a level 5. Something like that would bring a balance and get people working together to keep the levels of virus down in communities.

iamwhoiam

fits wrote: »

Well we can agree on that alright. I’m out of work as well. But if we have high levels of covid the economy will suffer. The only way forwards is suppression.

Although our medical appointments seem to be going along fine.

Our medical appointments are not going along fine .I have three family members who should attend a clinic 6 monthly who havent been for over a year.That includes a toddler who should have been followed up in January and is still waiting to hear from the clinic

iamwhoiam

SeaMermaid wrote: »

Level 5 is 5hit and we can't stay here forever in level 5 but also opening up from an average daily case number of approx 500, will see cases rise again and more infections.

Something that could work would be regional lockdowns. Ireland could perhaps open to a level 3 with retail and outdoor hospitality and some other easing too like golf or hairdressings. Lift the 5km but allow travel within ones county unless for work reasons. If county cases rise or large clusters or outbreaks occur in a county, lock it down to a level 5. Something like that would bring a balance and get people working together to keep the levels of virus down in communities.

I personally think it should be starting now . First click and collect opened so that when retail opens there is not a huge rush on shops .If they dont open click and collect soon the pent up need to rush to shops will happen again

Shoe shops must open and easily done with one out one in . My daughter had to borrow shoes for her toddler which is absolutely ridiculous now

Own county travel has to open and allow people the freedom to choose where they enjoy to walk or simply sit and enjoy

Back garden visits with only one other family needs to be allowed and so many people are really struggling this time and need some interaction .

Klonker

marno21 wrote: »

We are going down a dangerous road here is this level of “leadership” continues.

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1367852789422989319?s=21

Is any other countries government dictated to by their public health officials as it is here? I highly doubt it.

Probes

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I personally think it should be starting now . First click and collect opened so that when retail opens there is not a huge rush on shops .If they dont open click and collect soon the pent up need to rush to shops will happen again

Shoe shops must open and easily done with one out one in . My daughter had to borrow shoes for her toddler which is absolutely ridiculous now

Own county travel has to open and allow people the freedom to choose where they enjoy to walk or simply sit and enjoy

Back garden visits with only one other family needs to be allowed and so many people are really struggling this time and need some interaction .

Why borrow shoes? Shoes are readily available, just order them online.

Vicxas

marno21 wrote: »

We are going down a dangerous road here is this level of “leadership” continues.

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1367852789422989319?s=21

Typical play. They'll turn around near the start of April and said "We fought for you against the evil NEPHT and we can open construction again"

iamwhoiam

Probes wrote: »

Why borrow shoes? Shoes are readily available, just order them online.

First shoes for a baby with tiny feet .,It had to be Clarks and their delivery time is so slow .She borrowed them until they arrived as the child needed to walk ! Also had to figure out how to measure her feet to get the right size because no one is measuring kids feet

Plumbthedepths

Probes wrote: »

Why borrow shoes? Shoes are readily available, just order them online.

My wife works for a well known shoe retailer, apparently first shoes for a child are important. Feet needs to be measured. Strangely it's difficult to do this online, who knew.

Jim_Hodge

Probes wrote: »

Why borrow shoes? Shoes are readily available, just order them online.

Do we take it you don't have experience with children and their shoe requirements?

ShineOn7

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Vaccinating 10,000 with underlying conditions next week. Does that mean they'll start that group at age 69 and work downward?

Is that Group 4 or Group 7?

Both are for those with underlying conditions

I'm guessing it's 4

fits

iamwhoiam wrote: »

First shoes for a baby with tiny feet .,It had to be Clarks and their delivery time is so slow .She borrowed them until they arrived as the child needed to walk ! Also had to figure out how to measure her feet to get the right size because no one is measuring kids feet

Try Kripps or tiptoptoes for advice. Don’t have to be Clark’s tbh. My children have never had Clark’s.

fits

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Our medical appointments are not going along fine .I have three family members who should attend a clinic 6 monthly who havent been for over a year.That includes a toddler who should have been followed up in January and is still waiting to hear from the clinic

I meant our own family ones not the whole country. Of course I know there are issues. But the route out of this is with low levels of covid not high.

fits

timmyntc wrote: »

If we have high levels of restrictions the economy will suffer. it is suffering already.

Suppression is not the way forward, vaccination and relaxing restrictions is the way forward. Your own cowardice about catching covid should not dictate our policy. After all, its about "the greater good"

Not wanting to catch covid is cowardice? Rightyo.

Does anybody remember what happened at Christmas at all!

And just to point this out. It’s not the restrictions that are the cause of the economy suffering, it’s the virus.

timmyntc

fits wrote: »

Not wanting to catch covid is cowardice? Rightyo.

Does anybody remember what happened at Christmas at all!

And just to point this out. It’s not the restrictions that are the cause of the economy suffering, it’s the virus.

Wanting to shut down the whole country just because you are afraid of catching covid, yes that is cowardice.
If you are in an at risk group you will be priority vaccinated, if you are not then the chance of serious illness is miniscule, and you have nothing to be afraid of.

The virus has not closed down shops and businesses, the government have. They can choose not to do so, its not like their hands are tied.

Plumbthedepths

fits wrote: »

Not wanting to catch covid is cowardice? Rightyo.

Does anybody remember what happened at Christmas at all!

Yeah six week lockdown , opening three weeks before the busiest period of the year for socialising and retail with a caveat we would be in lockdown in January. Almost like they told people to go mad for 3 weeks because we're locking ye down again. Guess some people went mad although many didn't.

Doctor Jimbob

fits wrote: »

Not wanting to catch covid is cowardice? Rightyo.

Does anybody remember what happened at Christmas at all!

And just to point this out. It’s not the restrictions that are the cause of the economy suffering, it’s the virus.

Does anyone remember what happened last summer at all?

Logic would suggest that's a more relevant comparison for this summer than Christmas is. Especially considering we now have vaccines.

fits

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Does anyone remember what happened last summer at all?

Logic would suggest that's a more relevant comparison for this summer than Christmas is. Especially considering we now have vaccines.

Not really. It looks very much like a fourth wave is kicking off in Europe. I hope things will ease in summertime alright but that’s a couple of months away still

iamwhoiam

fits wrote: »

Try Kripps or tiptoptoes for advice. Don’t have to be Clark’s tbh. My children have never had Clark’s.

Kripps are closed and didnt have the tiny narrow baby size online , we tried them

She got sorted as a friend had a measuring device and she could then order from Clarks as she knew the width she needed .
Personally I think its vital to have a babys foot measured and it should be facilitated with shops open for this very reason

iamwhoiam

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Is that Group 4 or Group 7?

Both are for those with underlying conditions

I'm guessing it's 4

Its 4 first . The list is quite specific .Type1
Diabetics who look after themselves and keep their HB Ac1 now have to wait for group 7 while those with uncontrolled diabetes with high HB1AC will be in group 4

ShineOn7

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its 4 first . The list is quite specific .Type1
Diabetics who look after themselves and keep their HB1ac low have to wait for group 7 while those with uncontrolled diabetes with high HB1AC will be in group 4

I don't think I saw that level of specificity last week on the Gov.ie site

Have you a link to where it says that specifically?

Thanks

iamwhoiam

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I don't think I saw that level of specificity last week on the Gov.ie site

Have you a link to where it says that specifically?

Thanks

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

Group 4
Diabetes
Uncontrolled diabetes, for example: HbA1C ≥58mmol/mol.



Group 7

Diabetes
All other diabetes (Type 1 and 2).

igCorcaigh

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Kripps are closed and didnt have the tiny narrow baby size online , we tried them

She got sorted as a friend had a measuring device and she could then order from Clarks as she knew the width she needed .
Personally I think its vital to have a babys foot measured and it should be facilitated with shops open for this very reason

It's very important.
Can GPs do this?

timmyntc

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It's very important.
Can GPs do this?

Why make GPs do it when you could just let shoe shops open?

iamwhoiam

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It's very important.
Can GPs do this?

Measure feet ? I have no idea but somehow doubt it ! Plus I think GP’s have quite a busy list right now
My daughters friend had a measuring device luckily and quite a few people needed to use it to measure kids feet during this lockdown

Plumbthedepths

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It's very important.
Can GPs do this?

Do you not think GPs are busy enough without measuring the feet of toddlers for shoes.

fits

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Measure feet ? I have no idea but somehow doubt it ! Plus I think GP’s have quite a busy list right now
My daughters friend had a measuring device luckily and quite a few people needed to use it to measure kids feet during this lockdown

Not sure what stage your granddaughter is at but OT friend of mine recommended staying in pre walkers for a little while after they start walking. The feet can benefit from the more flexible shoe apparently. But I agree children’s shoes and clothes should be available now or fairly soon.

Eod100

Know this is largely due to supply issues but bit disappointing to see targets being decreased. Hopefully over time it will catch up especially with J and J next month

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1367877154541830144

Plumbthedepths

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It means that sometime in the next month we'll likely get a humongous amount of deliveries all at once

Welcome back.

Plumbthedepths

Batattackrat wrote: »

I find that most of people that want to keep restrictions going are on welfare. Anyone I know who's working or on PUP want the restrictions eased immediately.

To be fair there are some who want restrictions until they are vaccinated, not sure they care after that.

igCorcaigh

timmyntc wrote: »

Why make GPs do it when you could just let shoe shops open?

Because that would require a change in restrictions. I mean right now, perhaps GPs can provide this service. Or even a pharmacy. It is an essential thing.

iamwhoiam

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Because that would require a change in restrictions. I mean right now, perhaps GPs can provide this service. Or even a pharmacy. It is an essential thing.

I honestly don’t think GPshould be asked to measure a childs foot for shoes
They are incredibly busy now with regular clinic and sorting vaccines
If the Government had any cop at all they would realise that kids feet and their shoes need open shoe shops
It could very easily be done by appointment with one in at a time
It is at very least as important as Dealz being open for all sorts of miscellaneous

igCorcaigh

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I honestly don’t think GPshould be asked to measure a childs foot for shoes
They are incredibly busy now with regular clinic and sorting vaccines
If the Government had any cop at all they would realise that kids feet and their shoes need open shoe shops
It could very easily be done by appointment with one in at a time
It is at very least as important as Dealz being open for all sorts of miscellaneous

I agree.

I'm just wondering if this service is available right now for those that need it. I don't know.

timmyntc

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

To be fair there are some who want restrictions until they are vaccinated, not sure they care after that.

Yep. Like fits, once they are vaccinated they no longer care. I'm alright jack

Oranage2

Eod100 wrote: »

Know this is largely due to supply issues but bit disappointing to see targets being decreased. Hopefully over time it will catch up especially with J and J next month

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1367877154541830144

So it could be over year before everyone is vaccinated? Not good enough