Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Leftwaffe

Probes wrote: »

I feel like people are falling over themselves to criticise Nphet here. It's very possible that Covid increases the risk of stillbirth like other infections do too. I'd say it's quite likely that they are concluding that Covid has been a complication in those births leading to a negative outcome. They don't know how much of a problem it is, if it's worse with Covid or if it's typical of all infections. We are in a fast moving pandemic, we are dealing with variants now too, there is a lot of uncertainty. To criticise them for doing their job in reporting the information and providing recommendations is pretty low.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/flu-vaccination/flu-vaccine-pregnancy/

I feel like your ignoring the data. A study by imperial college in the UK which I posted to you earlier, without any response, has shown there is no increased risk of still birth from C19. So should we chose to believe these claims which as of yet are unfounded? Or should we believe a study which was conducted properly from start to finish with a huge sample size?

Fast moving pandemic my hole. It’s negligence from NPHET. And counting two of the deaths in the statistics. Come on, give me a break here.

Plumbthedepths

Klonker wrote: »

I understand George Lee was the one who asked the question who seemed to have some prior information on it but it was always going to be asked when the death age range was given as 0 to 90+.

It's strange but there are some here that will not tolerate any criticism of Nphet, personally I believe that is not desirable it only entrenches groupthink.

WoollyRedHat

Anyone else having issue with strike through posts? Every post from.11:48 onwards is appearing as crossed out for me... Only appears when I'm logged in, strange..

Plumbthedepths

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I feel like your ignoring the data. A study by imperial college in the UK which I posted to you earlier, without any response, has shown there is no increased risk of still birth from C19. So should we chose to believe these claims which as of yet are unfounded? Or should we believe a study which was conducted properly from start to finish with a huge sample size?

Fast moving pandemic my hole. It’s negligence from NPHET. And counting two of the deaths in the statistics. Come on, give me a break here.

Maybe the 'worry' needed to be ramped up?
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/11/24/the-science-of-not-worrying-enough/

froog

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Anyone else having issue with strike through posts? Every post from.11:48 onwards is appearing as crossed out for me... Only appears when I'm logged in, strange..

Yes thought i was going mad. Only on the phone tho...

Arghus

Klonker wrote: »

I understand George Lee was the one who asked the question who seemed to have some prior information on it but it was always going to be asked when the death age range was given as 0 to 90+.

It was a female journalist from the Irish Independent who asked about it first afaik - you can hear her in the twitter clip.

Then George Lee had his customary freak out.

WoollyRedHat

froog wrote: »

Yes thought i was going mad. Only on the phone tho...

Yeah also seems to only be issue on this thread, others are fine.

Quantum Baloney

Deleted User wrote: »

You can be certain there'll be a few in here [...] hoping that the Gardaí "crack some skulls".

Astonishingly number of these types on boards.

Plumbthedepths

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Astonishingly number of these types on boards.

It's funny actually to see the mask slip on posters who like to project a reasoned and balanced mindset. One such poster last week was happy to see Garda ' cracking skulls'.

Arghus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's strange but there are some here that will not tolerate any criticism of Nphet, personally I believe that is not desirable it only entrenches groupthink.

And equally there are some who will use anything as grounds to criticise NPHET.

I struggle to see how Glynn could have handled the journalist's question in any other way. He couldn't deny that he'd been made aware of it - and he tried to his best to talk about that it was prelimary findings, was potentially exceedingly rare and that maternity care was still top notch. What else could he have said when faced with a question about this?

WoollyRedHat

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Yeah also seems to only be issue on this thread, others are fine.

Fixed now, some weird vodoo.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Arghus wrote: »

And equally there are some who will use anything as grounds to criticise NPHET.

I struggle to see how Glynn could have handled the journalist's question in any other way. He couldn't deny that he'd been made aware of it - and he tried to his best to talk about that it was prelimary findings, was potentially exceedingly rare and that maternity care was still top notch. What else could he have said when faced with a question about this?

Glynn dealt with the question correctly.

The media made it an issue and obsessed posters on social media made it an issue.

Plumbthedepths

Arghus wrote: »

And equally there are some who will use anything as grounds to criticise NPHET.

I struggle to see how Glynn could have handled the journalist's question in any other way. He couldn't deny that he'd been made aware of it - and he tried to his best to talk about that it was prelimary findings, was potentially exceedingly rare and that maternity care was still top notch. What else could he have said when faced with a question about this?

I'm happy to criticise where it is warranted, I don't believe in a position of absolute defence or critique.
Personally I believe Glynn should have said we have no definitive information at the moment and will address the question when we do. If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?
As I said to another poster yesterday or the day before, if there is no link established between Covid and the 4 still births the same attention from Nphet or the media will not occur. My opinion of course but behaviour todate suggests my opinion most likely will be correct.

eeepaulo

Any live streams? (the cork protest)

Plumbthedepths

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Glynn dealt with the question correctly.

The media made it an issue and obsessed posters on social media made it an issue.

Obsessed posters on social media made it an issue?
lol.

Storm 10

No getting back to normal after vaccine

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

Wolf359f

Storm 10 wrote: »

No getting back to normal after vaccine

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

That's not what it says though.

Plumbthedepths

Storm 10 wrote: »

No getting back to normal after vaccine 'until critical mass is reached'.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

FYP.

TheDoctor

Storm 10 wrote: »

No getting back to normal after vaccine

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

Is it not saying they cant treat people differently on the grounds of who has and hasn't been vaccinated?

Sanjuro

Storm 10 wrote: »

No getting back to normal after vaccine

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

Log off, will ya?

Arghus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm happy to criticise where it is warranted, I don't believe in a position of absolute defence or critique.
Personally I believe Glynn should have said we have no definitive information at the moment and will address the question when we do. If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?
As I said to another poster yesterday or the day before, if there is no link established between Covid and the 4 still births the same attention from Nphet or the media will not occur. My opinion of course but behaviour todate suggests my opinion most likely will be correct.

He said that the information was provided in the preliminary coroner's reports. He didn't write that information, it was information that was provided to him - and he provided caveat after caveat in his answer, some of which you've said he should have and he did: we don't have much data, all very prelimary, very rare outcome, maternity care is overwhelmingly positive. Honestly, once again, what else could he have said?

Glynn admitted that they have no definitive information - he never said this was confirmed to be linked to deaths. He essentially did what you say he should have done. And he went out of his way to defuse the emotionality of the question by bringing in all those caveats I've previously mentioned.

Do you really think he could have avoided answering that question? No chance - he had to say something. So what he did say explained the context, stressed that there wasn't much information and that all reports were prelimary and talked up the positive experiences of maternity care throughout the pandemic. It's ridiculous to accuse him of scaremongering for this.

agoodpunt

Storm 10 wrote: »

No getting back to normal after vaccine

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

Going to a country next wk everything open small pockets of cv19 dealt with by local short lockdowns none of the crap going on here

The private hospitals allowed to offer vaccines


we should be living with covid not hiding

Plumbthedepths

Arghus wrote: »

He said that the information was provided in the preliminary coroner's reports. He didn't write that information, it was information that was provided to him - and he provided caveat after caveat in his answer, some of which you've said he should have and he did: we don't have much data, all very prelimary, very rare outcome, maternity care is overwhelmingly positive. Honestly, once again, what else could he have said?

Glynn admitted that they have no definitive information - he never said this was confirmed to be linked to deaths. He essentially did what you say he should have done. And he went out of his way to defuse the emotionality of the question by bringing in all those caveats I've previously mentioned.

Do you really think he could have avoided answering that question? No chance - he had to say something. So what he did say explained the context, stressed that there wasn't much information and that all reports were prelimary and talked up the positive experiences of maternity care throughout the pandemic. It's ridiculous to accuse him of scaremongering for this.

As I said some will accept no criticism of Nphet whether it is justified or not, I find unwavering defence/critique intriguing tbh.

MerlinSouthDub

460 swabs
3.58% + rate

Happy Saturday everyone

marno21

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

460 swabs
3.58% + rate

Happy Saturday everyone

692 / 3.84% last Saturday.

33% drop

Jim_Hodge

Storm 10 wrote: »

No getting back to normal after vaccine

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

That's not what I'm reading from it. Your headline synopsis is misleading.

Tyrone212

agoodpunt wrote: »

Going to a country next wk everything open small pockets of cv19 dealt with by local short lockdowns none of the crap going on here

The private hospitals allowed to offer vaccines


we should be living with covid not hiding

What country is offering private vaccines? Outside the Western world I presume.

Arghus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As I said some will accept no criticism of Nphet whether it is justified or not, I find unwavering defence/critique intriguing tbh.

I think you're determined to find fault with his response in this context. Even though he was calm and measured and even mentioned many things that you said he should have.

You find unwavering deference or critique intriguing? Me too - honestly, tell me one single time when you have publicly agreed with anything from NPHET. C'mon there is an irony there in you talking about the intrigue of unwavering critique - your contributions are unwavering in their critique!

But, I'm quite happy to drop the subject too. It's a nice day outside and I don't want to waste it.

hynesie08

agoodpunt wrote: »

Going to a country next wk everything open small pockets of cv19 dealt with by local short lockdowns none of the crap going on here

The private hospitals allowed to offer vaccines


we should be living with covid not hiding

A country with zero covid, private vaccinations and an open border........

Narnia?

KrustyUCC

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

460 swabs
3.58% + rate

Happy Saturday everyone

Excellent stuff

MrMusician18

hynesie08 wrote: »

A country with zero covid, private vaccinations and an open border........

Narnia?

A poster with a join date <Oct 2020 is best ignored, no matter what side of the debate they place themselves on.

There appears to be a concerted campaign to ferment division on the site, with new posters taking ridiculously hard line stances

Plumbthedepths

Arghus wrote: »

I think you're determined to find fault with his response in this context. Even though he was calm and measured and even mentioned many things that you said he should have.

You find unwavering deference or critique intriguing? Me too - honestly, tell me one single time when you have publicly agreed with anything from NPHET. C'mon there is an irony there in you talking about the intrigue of unwavering critique - your contributions are unwavering in their critique!

But, I'm quite happy to drop the subject too. It's a nice day outside and I don't want to waste it.

You can check my post history if you wish but I have agreed with the medical advice they gave in the early days around social distancing hand washing etc and still do, I disagreed with the stance they took when the nursing homes were restricting visitors.
I agree with their suggestions about inward travel. I disagree with their insisting on closing non essential retail/ construction.
As you said it's a nice day out you shouldn't waste it.

Plumbthedepths

Mr.S wrote: »

What happens when Western countries finish their vaccination programme? Eg could we see private practises offering the vaccine in UK before our programme finishes in Ireland? Presumably all countries will still keep a level of stock on hand for whatever reason - new arrivals etc.

Northern Ireland vaccine run!

I expect when the UK complete their programme any excess will be offered to us due to the CTA and nonexistent NI border.
Who wants a potential well of infection on their doorstep?

hynesie08

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

460 swabs
3.58% + rate

Happy Saturday everyone

If the Sunday and Monday low numbers trend continues, we could have a 7 day average below 4%, which is just a massive boost.

wadacrack

I think we are now seeing the effects of better contact tracing(mainly due to lower cases) I id mention it a few weeks ago, do think thats what w are seeing now. If backward tracing is introduced if cases manage to get very low. Then the situation could become very manageable with hotel quarantine and a larger percentage of the population vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1368218341383565312

jackboy

wadacrack wrote: »

I think we are now seeing the effects of better contact tracing(mainly due to lower cases) I id mention it a few weeks ago, do think thats what w are seeing now. If backward tracing is introduced if cases manage to get very low. Then the situation could become very manageable with hotel quarantine and a larger percentage of the population vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1368218341383565312

We are getting close to levels where areas of infection are getting broken up. We will see more and more parts of the country essentially achieve zero covid now. When numbers are low like this individual spikes in certain towns or factories will become news and these will be named and shamed.

seamus

Mr.S wrote: »

What happens when Western countries finish their vaccination programme? Eg could we see private practises offering the vaccine in UK before our programme finishes in Ireland? Presumably all countries will still keep a level of stock on hand for whatever reason - new arrivals etc.

Northern Ireland vaccine run!

There's a strong chance we'll be finished before the UK. If not, there'll be barely a couple of weeks in the difference.

Their rush to get first doses to as many as possible is a debt that will have to be repaid.

The UK is aiming for completion (every adult offered two doses) by October. So are we.

So in the end it's likely there'll be little between us.

FintanMcluskey

jackboy wrote: »

We are getting close to levels where areas of infection are getting broken up. We will see more and more parts of the country essentially achieve zero covid now. When numbers are low like this individual spikes in certain towns or factories will become news and these will be named and shamed.

Nothing like shaming people for getting sick.

Good ole Covid brought out the best in us

crossman47

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm happy to criticise where it is warranted, I don't believe in a position of absolute defence or critique.
Personally I believe Glynn should have said we have no definitive information at the moment and will address the question when we do. If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?
As I said to another poster yesterday or the day before, if there is no link established between Covid and the 4 still births the same attention from Nphet or the media will not occur. My opinion of course but behaviour todate suggests my opinion most likely will be correct.

And then we would have a headline accusing Glynn of hiding something.

top floor

retro:electro wrote: »

I actually can’t believe how quickly ICU is dropping after stagnating for so long. It could be <50 in two weeks or so!

Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.

Plumbthedepths

crossman47 wrote: »

And then we would have a headline accusing Glynn of hiding something.

Hiding what? Refusing to comment until you have factual evidence I would suggest is the responsible course of action instead of being party to scaring the sh!te out of pregnant women.

martingriff

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hiding what? Refusing to comment until you have factual evidence I would suggest is the responsible course of action instead of being party to scaring the sh!te out of pregnant women.

And if there was something to it and they waited you and others would be on here giving out they did not give advice to pregnant people to be careful

top floor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?

But would the media (and many posters here) not be unanimous later in demanding his dismissal for staging a cover-up? Any delay, or lack of detail, by the HSE in releasing information is by definition a "cover-up".

Plumbthedepths

martingriff wrote: »

And if there was something to it and they waited yoube on here giving out they did not give advice to pregnant people to be careful

You think pregnant women in the middle of a pandemic need advice to be careful?

martingriff

top floor wrote: »

Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.

Proof

Plumbthedepths

top floor wrote: »

But would the media (and many posters here) not be unanimous later in demanding his dismissal for staging a cover-up? Any delay, or lack of detail, by the HSE in releasing information is by definition a "cover-up".

Who suggested a cover up?

agoodpunt

MrMusician18 wrote: »

A poster with a join date <Oct 2020 is best ignored, no matter what side of the debate they place themselves on.

There appears to be a concerted campaign to ferment division on the site, with new posters taking ridiculously hard line stances

I agree but its a moderated open forum if you dont like anyone who objects to the longest hardest in the civiized world I am voting with my feet going back to my home of 12 years life is for living, not covid

top floor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Who suggested a cover up?

I am not sure if you misunderstand my point. I am not suggesting a cover-up at all.

The point is that where the HSE does not release all information immediately (even if incomplete) it is open to accusations of a cover-up.

WoollyRedHat

wadacrack wrote: »

I think we are now seeing the effects of better contact tracing(mainly due to lower cases) I id mention it a few weeks ago, do think thats what w are seeing now. If backward tracing is introduced if cases manage to get very low. Then the situation could become very manageable with hotel quarantine and a larger percentage of the population vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1368218341383565312

Really encouraging to see positivity rate continue to drop alongside decreasing hospital numbers. According to that thread, if trends continue on current trajectory, we could be looking at circa 150 cases on average by next month and sub 100 in 6 weeks time.

caveat emptor

Arghus wrote: »

And equally there are some who will use anything as grounds to criticise NPHET.

I struggle to see how Glynn could have handled the journalist's question in any other way. He couldn't deny that he'd been made aware of it - and he tried to his best to talk about that it was prelimary findings, was potentially exceedingly rare and that maternity care was still top notch. What else could he have said when faced with a question about this?

I think people want to undermine NPHET and paint them as some sort of boogey men pulling the strings when they just provide info.

If they can discredit them then they can discredit public help advice and benefit their vested interests.

We've seen it right the way through.

It's very telling when certain poster latch on to anything said to undermine them.

Pretty standard, shoot the messenger strategy.