Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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Micheál needs to be challenged and taken to task on that “the variants are a new virus” statement. It’s not like it was an unprepared, off the cuff remark, this went out to the nation in a flipping national address! There will be people out there, mentally vulnerable people who will be frightened by that statement and assume the vaccines don’t work. But I guess that was the end goal really wasn’t it, to promote fear —facts be damned. Utter tosh

muddypuppy

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1364284389828476937

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1364283360961511425

Great starts

Atlantic Dawn

Why can they just not say when the vulnerable between 18-65 are vaccinated that the plan is to fully open up? If this isn't the plan we need to stop using the roads, stop walking outside out homes at night as the risks of death would be higher.

Coybig_

Turtwig wrote: »

Just remember this:

The past you that would have still be doing it's part is now going to have to do its part for even longer than it would originally have. The people who are still doing their part will have to do it for longer to compensate for you. If everyone follows your lead the infection resurges, people die, people with other health conditions get their treatments deferred, people reliant on covid support schemes have to stay on them for much longer, businesses go even further extinct. Everythings stay sh1t and get's even worse.

You haven't done your part yet. That's the reality.

This might have meant something 12 months ago but a year into this it's absolute crap.

It is no longer acceptable for people to be told that they will be at fault for living after a year of pathetic government mismanagement.

They have had 12 months to get on top of this, to sort out hospital and nursing home transmission. To sort out travel. Our taoiseach just gave a national address where he wouldnt even announce a plan.

The problems which lockdown is causing are now greater than the benefits it provides. The elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated soon. Time to move on.

ninebeanrows

MaryLou straight into the foreign travel haha.

She is obsessed and knows what wins the hearts and minds of the populists

Somebody should ask her whether she knows Ireland is a member of the EU! and no other country imposes enforced hotel quarantine.

lawred2

Turtwig wrote: »

That's actually an accurate statement. If you take any scenario from the first wave and compare it to now the rate of infection this time around will be higher.

it's a reckless statement... it quite clearly carries a connotation that existing vaccines may not work for a "new virus"

funnydoggy

jackboy wrote: »

Variant, variant, variant.

Nothing about the next potential variant though that we are not going to try to keep out.

That the vaccines will work against.

Atlantic Dawn

The Ryan clown is loving the ban on international travel, the CO2 saved is a wet dream for him.

marno21

Is there a need for a passage of brainless rambling from Eamon Ryan here?

I don’t think so

Dubit11

ninebeanrows wrote: »

MaryLou straight into the foreign travel haha.

She is obsessed and knows what wins the hearts and minds of the populists

A politician that appeals to the populists, well i never.

Dubit11

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

Disgusting from Mehole Martin and the government.

Level 5 till April, what about then?

What about then? They've been winging it just like the majority of countries on the planet.

Turtwig

lawred2 wrote: »

it's a reckless statement... it quite clearly carries a connotation that existing vaccines may not work for a "new virus"

If he did an McConkey on it then it's reckless and irresponsible. I didn't listen to his speech. I don't think it's an unfair metaphor or whatever the term is to use. Other public health officials have used it in a manner to try to illustrate that the situation now has to be treated and assessed differently to how it would have been before. That's the point of describing it as a new virus. Every metaphor and analogy has limitations but I think the trade off here is an acceptable one. You really do have to make a big leap to automatically assume the vaccine doesn't work because of that statement.

KrustyUCC

A nothing speech from Martin

No plan
No hope

Rinse and repeat on April 5th

Funny one part of the speech was easing of restrictions will be in three or four weeks inbetween

That will mean 4 as NPHET wanted last year

April 5th after May Bank Holiday
After May Holiday to after June one

Very convenient

Thats 4 bank holidays wasted again this year with nothing open and nowhere to go

Depressing times ahead

Golfman64

ninebeanrows wrote: »

MaryLou straight into the foreign travel haha.

She is obsessed and knows what wins the hearts and minds of the populists

Somebody should ask her whether she knows Ireland is a member of the EU! and no other country imposes enforced hotel quarantine.

Most other EU countries and the UK are, planning (with dates), or have already reopened foreign travel within a test criteria to certain destinations. Meanwhile we are still pushing ahead with mandatory quarantine and opposition parties calling for the list to be even further extended. It's beggars belief really. we seem intent on destroying our hospitable & welcoming image, our tourism sector, our economy and our vital links as an island to the rest of the world.

Doctor Jimbob

Turtwig wrote: »

That's actually an accurate statement. If you take any scenario from the first wave and compare it to now the rate of infection this time around will be higher.

Why can't he just call it a variant? What does describing it as "like a new virus" achieve?

PmMeUrDogs

Turtwig wrote: »

The past you that would have still be doing it's part is
You haven't done your part yet. That's the reality.

To say that to someone who's followed restrictions for nearly a year, and who's finally struggling enough to consider giving up, is insulting.


Every single person who followed restrictions has done their part.

Turtwig

Coybig_ wrote: »

This might have meant something 12 months ago but a year into this it's absolute crap.

It is no longer acceptable for people to be told that they will be at fault for living after a year of pathetic government mismanagement.

They have had 12 months to get on top of this, to sort out hospital and nursing home transmission. To sort out travel. Our taoiseach just gave a national address where he wouldnt even announce a plan.

The problems which lockdown is causing are now greater than the benefits it provides. The elderly and vulnerable will be vaccinated soon. Time to move on.

No it's absolute crap to think otherwise. If everyone moves on as you wish them to then nobody can move on. We get stuck in a perpetual sh1t hole.

It'd be nice if those whinging about their own desires to live their life could appreciate that the people still complying, still sacrificing will be compounded to more misery. If they can't appreciate that then they're being delusional.

Blame the goverment by all means. But don't deny that its our collective actions that will determine how fast we get out of this mess.

quartz1

We can analyse everything all day long but a lot of non political ordinary people are sick to death of this Government and if only a small proportion of them remember this period at the ballot these three Parties will pay a price.

Majority of people are doing their best but the Politicians are not.

wadacrack

Should be in a good position in June given how effective the vaccines are

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1364287866474487809

KrustyUCC

marno21 wrote: »

Lads the reduction in AstraZeneca would see us getting 990k from AstraZeneca in Q2

The plan sees us getting 4.5m doses of which 818k is AstraZeneca. So the AstraZeneca fall is already overcompensated for in the plan.

This will make a huge difference. We should be where the UK will be in mid June in early august.

The end is near

Is that not on top of the shortfall in Q1?

Good news if the new reduction isn't significant for our plan

jackboy

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Why can't he just call it a variant? What does describing it as "like a new virus" achieve?

It’s getting the excuses in early. As it is a new virus, it can’t be planned for and anything that goes wrong is not the governments fault. That is why they are relentlessly pushing the new virus angle. It’s easier than proper planning.

Turtwig

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

To say that to someone who's followed restrictions for nearly a year, and who's finally struggling enough to consider giving up, is insulting.


Every single person who followed restrictions has done their part.

The poster stated they were finished. I'm taking them on their word.

They're no longer doing their part and others will now have to pick up the slack for them. If everyone does what that poster intends to do everything goes to sh1t.

If that's an insult then I can't really apologise.

I just want that poster to consider the impact their actions will have on others and the experience they're going through. It's not just one lens this should be looked at through.

If you want people to empathise with your situation and to a point I do with his or her frustration but I expect him to empathise with the fact that others are going to be left in a deeper frustration because of his or her own actions.

Renault 5

Turtwig wrote: »

Just remember this:

The past you that would have still be doing it's part is now going to have to do its part for even longer than it would originally have. The people who are still doing their part will have to do it for longer to compensate for you. If everyone follows your lead the infection resurges, people die, people with other health conditions get their treatments deferred, people reliant on covid support schemes have to stay on them for much longer, businesses go even further extinct. Everythings stay sh1t and get's even worse.

You haven't done your part yet. That's the reality.

Genuine Question.

Are you happy enough with the details of the plan now that it’s been released?

Doctor Jimbob

Turtwig wrote: »

No it's absolute crap to think otherwise. If everyone moves on as you wish them to then nobody can move on. We get stuck in a perpetual sh1t hole.

It'd be nice if those whinging about their own desires to live their life could appreciate that the people still complying, still sacrificing will be compounded to more misery. If they can't appreciate that then they're being delusional.

Blame the goverment by all means. But don't deny that its our collective actions that will determine how fast we get out of this mess.

They're opening schools and letting 30 children mingle in a classroom while telling people the new variant is so dangerous we can't consider fully opening construction (which isn't closed anywhere else) or let people go for a walk or cycle more than 5km from their homes. Oh, and people are still flying in from abroad with minimal control.

Blaming people engaging in low risk activities isn't going to fly anymore.

brookers

SPDUB wrote: »

45 Deaths

575 Cases

TV3

Are those numbers about right with swabs or is there a backlog happening. Are we seeing more progress.

Faugheen

I see all the armchair epidemiologists are out again.

ThunbergsAreGo

Renault 5 wrote: »

Genuine Question.

Are you happy enough with the details of the plan now that it’s been released?

What plan?

Thats just a how we might em maybe eh get schools back

marno21

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Is that not on top of the shortfall in Q1?

Good news if the new reduction isn't significant for our plan

From my reading of the document in isolation:

180m doses were planned to EU in Q2 (1.98m for Ireland)
90m doses now (990k for Ireland)
818k in the document

spookwoman

Arghus

A lot of Hail Mary passes straight to Ronan on the questions in this presser.